Proton Arc blade

[JediHilt]

I think you're expecting too much voltage from such a small volume of wat

acording to Schauberger as well as other scientist

in 1 gram of substance, or 1 cubic centimeter of water, 25 million kilowatt hours of energy are stored!

I think even one cubic centimeter of water has enough power the only problem is undertsanding Scahuberger's technology in order to find the proper way to extract this power.

[Marsupial]

The reason most people with any science knowledge don't take that kind of theories for credible is that it relies on stuff that isn't possible in real-world...
In theory, you can have a perpetual movement machine. In practice you cannot as there are always losses. A good scientist knows where the theories won't work in practice, and sees when concepts are flawed. He also sees when there's some side effects that the designer omitted.
I know subways recovers energy from the breaking systems and that cars alternators recovers powers, but you'll always have losses. you cannot recharge the battery in a lostless situation. Been tried, don't work.

Generating incredible ammount of power is something the military is very interested in... if your ways would work, they'd use it and we wouldn't pay for electricity. The concepts announced by Schauberger aren't used nowaday, for several reasons. You think nobody tried it before you? if we'd need only a bit of matter, water, a small motor... you think we'd still have hydroelectric dams, nuclear power plant and the like? for a lot cheaper creating more power is definately something we'd use. Problem, it just doesn't work. Its a false theory.

While the concepts behind diamagnetism has been observed since the 1770s, the name emmerged in the 1840's by Farraday (yes, the same guy as farraday's cage and several electromagnetic concepts used today in engineering) Diamagnetics doesn't repel magnetic fields. That is false assumption. A diamagnet reacts to external fields.

Diamagnetism is a form of magnetism that is only exhibited by a substance in the presence of an externally applied magnetic field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamagnetism

Now... the concept behind diamagnetic levitation is very real, but its a matter of equilibrium - you can manage to diamagnetically levitate one specific object at a specific location with a specific magnetic field. Its not any kind of anti-gravity, its the equilibrium between gravity and magnetic fields around a diamagnetic object.

see: http://www.hfml.science.ru.nl/froglev.html

Flaws in your design: diamagnetism requires STRONG magnetic fields in order to react. Even if you could encase a way to create such strong magnetic field within a handle, it would still be dangerous - think about every metal parts around you being attracted to your hilt? that is a dangerous sight. The fact that you are using any diamagnetic objects won't save you for that, it requires a magnetic field from wich to react and you need to supply it - in your design its the motor's electromagnet that is supposed to create such mag field??

In the example above, they use a field of about 16 Tesla (the SI unit for measurment of field intensity for magnetic fields) and that works for something the size of a grasshopper - problem is: the strongest laboratory magnetic field generators generates about 20 tesla. I'm not even sure its safe for humains to be in contact with such strong magnetic fields, remember we have iron in our blood. In facts, studies indicates that small mag fields can influence biological bodies. As little as 300 miliTesla can increase bacterial cell growth; 15 minutes of exposing a rat to 100 miliT increases its heart rate.

as for even creating plasma in a controlled manner, good luck. I mean, everyone knows you can use your microwave to create plasma from Grapes

http://www.barnesos.net/homepage/lpl/grapeplasma/

but not a decent ammount of it unless you have LOTS of power (and in this case, grapes).

I don't understand the link in your mind behind a Vortex to create plasma. First of, with the metal egg device (or any means of spinning the water) you'll simply create a Vortex

a spinning, often turbulent, flow (or any spiral motion) with closed streamlines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex
Now, what about you changing the orientation of the hilt? the water would be attracted down by gravity and your vortex would move and you'd loose control.
Even if you'd be able to control it, this Vortex won't serve you for any diamagnetic applications, it won't create a huge magnetic field. Remember, diamagnets reacts to magnetics fields.
I don't understand how the "vortex" would "power" your copper coils. Hydroelectricity is generated from water flow in the same sense as a dynamo, but a simple small vortex won't charge copper coils unless you have something to catch this movement and convert it in power. You won't get protons from "diamagnetics" unless you actually supply a proper mag field.
Now, let say you can charge your coils like you said. Do you know the power necessary to actually create hydrogen plasma?? Plasma is mainly ionized gas. Its considered as a 4th state of matter. You experienced it everyday in crookes tubes or cathode ray tubes (TV) - and requires lots of power (turn on the TV and see the power reduction in the house...)

Plasmas

are typically formed by heating and ionizing a gas, stripping electrons away from atoms, thereby enabling the positive and negative charges to move freely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_%28physics%29
Nowhere you have anything to generate plasma in your aparitus, no gas, no electrodes (well, the copper coils, but that wouldn't work)

Even if you can create such a plasma field, containing the said plasma isn't easy. Again, magnetism can be used to contain plasma, happy getting attacked by every metallic fork in the house.
I still don't understand what is it you think will contain the said plasma in your design. Uncontrolled plasma isn't something you want to have.


All in all, there are tons of flaws in the design, rendering it impossible.
Trust me, if making a plasma contained blade was something possible, the military would have that already and we'd have heard of it already... but thing is, theories have been around for ages, without being doable with real technology, less even in a flashlight-sized handle. You cannot make a concept do what you want, there's no such things as "magic". You need to better understand all the concepts you want to use and use them at your advantages, while counteracting the side effects and other phenomenon you want to avoid. Wanting a concept to work your way isn't ennough.



P.S.: there is no need to feel attacked by such posts. People tend to feel personally attacked when someone post counterargumentation to their theories, which is pointless. If you are to answer to such a post, I would expect counterargumentation, references and facts, not complaints about how people don't believe you and other useless comments on the matter. The reason I decided to post in this thread isn't for any kind of personnal attacks and feeling that way would only prove immaturity. I decided to post in here in order to help further the discussion based on facts instead of hear-say and fiction. If you have any fact to back your idea, lets have them. The ref material you gave us so far isn't reliable and even if it would be it doesn't help proving your theories... I can quote you Einstein, but if I'm not using his theories correctly, his work isn't any proof for my theories.

[JediHilt]

Marsupial do you really think the government wants free energy why do you think their pushing Hydrogen now because they can charge you for it go back as far as the 30's Tesla is getting ready to broadcast free energy to the world what happend to him what happend to that technology with 75 some odd years of advancements in education, knowledge of science, and computers here we are today and we supposedly still can't figure out how his devices worked are we so stupid we can't even understand a technology from the 1930's or are we just pretending to be stupid ?

[TimeRender]

What happened to that technology was that it just didn't work. Period. Tesla was a genius, make no mistake, but his claims and patents were often exaggerated. It's not that we don't understand technology from the 30s. It's that some of Tesla's "breakthroughs" were never really possible on the scales that he imagined them.

[LordArgyll]

I don't understand how the "vortex" would "power" your copper coils.

I think this is where his confusion (and one of the big flaws) lies. Schauberger was a effectively a new-age hippie and his observations were largely influenced by his metaphysical inclinations. He observed that water flowing through a coper tube would produce a release of protons, causing the water to glow. He attributed this to dimagnetism, and the release of "living" energy stored in the water.

Modern science would call this static electricity. Excitement of the electrons in the water moving in friction against the copper tube (a conductor). The glow is a corona discharge.

In electricity, a corona discharge is an electrical discharge brought on by the ionization of a fluid surrounding a conductor, which occurs when the potential gradient exceeds a certain value, but conditions are insufficient to cause complete electrical breakdown or arcing.

Sure, it's plasma in a real sense, but you can't get a lightsaber from it.

Schauberger's "real" generators were always mechanically coupled to a traditional dynamo -- either via a turbine driven by the force of his created vortex or centrifically by the vortex device itself. They never tried to derive power directly from the water. At least not in any of the examples I've read so far.

Marsupial do you really think the government wants free energy

FNORD. Of course the government would want free energy, if only for itself. As for charging for hydrogen, that's something anyone with access to a transformer, some wire, an AC outlet and a cup of water can make. Unless the government wants to start taxing water, I'm not sure how it could profit from hydrogen engines/fuel cells. Its biggest profit would be less reliance on foreign energy resources.

[JediHilt]

there may be truth to what your saying but that doesn't make sense from one standpoint if the guy was a fraud then why did the German SS upduct him?

[LordArgyll]

The Third Reich was interested in anything that might potentially give it the upper hand in the war. In addition to researching new and unusual technologies they also had a vested interest in the occult and the paranormal (which Shauberger's research would fall under.) For that matter, so was the U.S.... hence Project Paperclip.

Wackiness all around.

[JediHilt]

Well let's say the SS heard false rumors about him so they abducted him and found out he was a fraud if that is true they either would of hung him or imprisoned him not let him continue work on their projects so he must of known what he was doing.

[TimeRender]

How would they have known he was a fraud if they didn't allow him to continue his work?

I think this one of those "proof is in the pudding" situations. The proof that this technology was a dead-end is the fact that it isn't in use today. If he had been even moderately successful, other scientists would have continued his works and everyone would have their very own water powered lightsabers and spaceships and digital watches.

[JediHilt]

If you invented a small very simple easily inderstood and replicatible device that produced over unity and you tried to get a patent for it so you can sell it.....believe me I wouldn't want to be you when they find you.