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O-B 1
05-23-2006, 06:53 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6630290472&ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX


Photon Innovations seems to have made a blade that is extremely and I mean extremely bright! Do you think Tim could make three films, and broadband mirrors?[:p] Plus it runs on 4 AAA and one 9v.

Thoughts?



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Nightwing
05-23-2006, 06:59 PM
Photon Innovations... they wouldn't happen to be the same as "Photon Alterations", would they? Alterations (if I remember correctly, and I may not be) was one of those lightsaber vendors that didn't have very high-quality pictures, which worked out to their advantage, as the sabers ended up looking ridiculously bright.

xwingband
05-23-2006, 07:18 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nightwing

Photon Innovations... they wouldn't happen to be the same as "Photon Alterations", would they? Alterations (if I remember correctly, and I may not be) was one of those lightsaber vendors that didn't have very high-quality pictures, which worked out to their advantage, as the sabers ended up looking ridiculously bright.
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Yup, same. There pictures are crap. The 3W looks the same as the 5W. I do not put stock in in their graflex work either...

O-B 1, where are you getting the three films and broadband mirrors from? Based on other's reviews, a lot of their stuff is hype and marketing.

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O-B 1
05-23-2006, 07:37 PM
In the description.... Here.



This auction is for a highly advanced

1/1 scale Graflex lightsaber made by Photon Innovations with blue Luxeon 5 watt with high voltage simulator and sound module.This is way bright than any 3 watt blue guaranteed. The saber has a 1" diameter blade by 36" it also has a 7/8 inside diameter. It comes with our new optical light enhance blade.

In this package you get

Graflex hilt

5 watt Luxeon 36" removable blade

High Voltage Vibration and

Master Replicas sound module

It is brighter than most standard Luxeon blue blades because yes we are doing something different.Our new optical light enhance blade is the next step. It consists of three films and broadband mirrors It runs off a 4 AAA's and one 9 volt .When you press the switch the saber vibrates and idles like a real lightsaber. The sound comes out from the bottom just like most sabers.The 5 watt Luxeon blade is one of the brightest blue sabers you will ever see.The sound is as louder than the stock Master Replicas FX sabers.This saber is a must have. If you are looking for an original movie scale lightsaber with working sound and light, the this is for you. This is a fantastic item for your dueling saber collection. And yes this saber is made to duel with. All Parts are manufactured from various vendors


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O-B 1
05-23-2006, 07:41 PM
Sorry for the double post. Just realized that it said that it used a MR sound module. I believe that the MR sound module couldn't handle 5 watts. Correct me if I am wrong Xwing.

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xwingband
05-23-2006, 07:52 PM
I didn't read the description well enough anyway.[:)] The MR board can't take the 9V. That's why they have two packs. The 4AAA and a 9V. The 9V would power the LED and the AAA's the sound. That's a really bad compromise as it means the sound will last much longer than the LED.

I'm not sold on the films I believe they are refering to. Meridian of FX said they have a diffuser like Tim's then a mylar one inside that and a smaller strip at the bottom to focus it. The small strip I tested and it does help. The mylar I haven't but I will. Meridian of FX-sabers said it didn't help at all.

Now broadband mirrors... Honestly, WTH IS THAT?!?!

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james3
05-23-2006, 08:01 PM
Just a quick drive-by then back to workin on the house.

The broadband mirrors are so insanely expensive there is no way they could be in there. Poor folks wouldn't make any money on those sabers.

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xwingband
05-23-2006, 08:06 PM
Okay... I thought they were making stuff up there for a second. I looked some up... James is right. Those suckers are expensive. Unless they're skiming them from their dayjob I doubt they are using them/making any money.

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O-B 1
05-23-2006, 08:32 PM
Broadband mirrors are expensive... Extremely expensive...

Couldn't you achieve the same affect with Corbins film and Tims diffuser in one blade?


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james3
05-23-2006, 08:33 PM
That may be a possibility, we had ours so tightly controlled in inventory that it was dang hard to walk with one. Oh well, like we have gotten into before, good luck to them. If they want to share their exact setup great we would all love to know but otherwise I just have to shake my head and wonder.

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photonalterations
05-25-2006, 04:45 PM
Actually I have a source for the mirrors. They are not that expensive for the size mirror. You are talking about 1" and up that is pricey. These mirrors only make a tiny bit of a difference. Every tiny difference counts when trying to make the optical blade brighter.
I use a 4 wire 2 channel switch for the 5 watt configuration setup. The switch powers on two separate sources at the same time Why do you think there is a 9 volt and a 4 pack? and I using Tim blade holder but with the 1 "di x 7/8 id blade because the optical effect works realty well with the larger inside diameter instead of the 1"DI x 3/4" ID blade. It just really depends on the wavelength. Blue requires the 7/8 ID for the 3 films to work. And another thing it all depends on what Luxeon optic being used. 5 degree and 10 degree are common. In my experience the 10 degree optics work better for the 3 film blade configuration. The one that Meridian had was a 1" 3/4" blade. As a result the optical could have been dim because of that. I still use the 1 "x 3/4" on occasion when the user requests one for his or her saber. One other crucial thing is that the blade can be no longer than 36 for the 3 film/mirror effect to work. Any other length will change the optical angel of light reception.Its really hard to tell the difference in these pics because the light distorts the hell out of the ccd's.To get a real comarison I would have to use a 35mm film camera.




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WeirdoTransvestite
05-25-2006, 04:53 PM
Broadband Mirrors? So, that means it allows high speed downloads, right?

On these Ebay descriptions, do they ever try to use proper grammar? If you're trying to make a sale, first impressions are everything.

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xwingband
05-25-2006, 05:23 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by photonalterations


Broad band morrirs are not that expensive
Actually I have a source for the mirrors.
plus I use a 2 channel switch for the 5 watt
Why do you think there is a 9 volt and a 4 pack! duh!!!!!






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Well, duh![:p] I think we are versed in the power of a DPDT.

What do you define as not expensive? I saw $75 and around there for 7/8" mirrors... unless you are getting them around $20 I don't see it being worth it. Normal mirrors even it out pretty well... so unless it's doing miracles seems more like "It sounds fancy" factor.[:o)]

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photonalterations
05-25-2006, 05:35 PM
yesssssssss versed indeed
you got it X-wing [8D]

It is also a matter of integrating a lot of equipment in the hilt.It would be awesome to have some kind of internal cavity that comes apart in two sections to hold everything in place.
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xwingband
05-25-2006, 05:49 PM
lol, pyrex... I can't look at that and not think "I eat on that stuff".[:p]

More stuff I'll have to add to the "I'll have to experiment/play with later".[:)] Even at $25 it'd have do three kinds of "OMG!" to make me not buy a $3 pack of mirrors at Wally World.

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LAN-ED-TUL
05-25-2006, 11:17 PM
yeah, for the expense factor there, its cheaper to use a regualr mirror. so what if its only a tiny bit better. shoot, look at the pics i posted on the heiland synchronar i made into a vader saber. i used tims red/orange led, and tims blade and tip, i used a piece of mylar to reflect, and corbins film, single wrap. that sucker is way bright. that cool enough for me. myself, i just cant justify, spending a bunch more money for something that only puts out slightly more, when what we use now, is satifying enough, and impresses everyone i ever showed them to.

its just my opinion, but its not worth the extra cash for just a tiny bit of improvement.

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photonalterations
05-26-2006, 12:06 PM
Hey, nobody is saying to go out and buy broadband mirrors. No one is forcing it down the throat. People want to know what I use and its as simple as that. There is no sale going on here. People ask me questions and I answer them as carefully as possible.
Whatever works for people as long as they are happy with that.It's their business. I came up with the whole film/mirror blade thing in the first place as IONSABERS. Corbin ordered from me and used my film idea. He asked me all kinds of questions before you guys ever existed years ago. I am a developer and will continue to research. End of Story
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Ambo
05-26-2006, 12:34 PM
Okay, thanx, appreciate the information, clears up a lot for a lot of people wondering a lot of things.

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james3
05-26-2006, 12:37 PM
photonalterations, I thank you for sharing the information, and am glad that you continue to look for new ways to improve the lightsaber.

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photonalterations
05-26-2006, 12:52 PM
No problem
I am here to help and support too because eventually someone is going to discover the ultimate saber blade and we will all be here to witness it[;)]

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james3
05-26-2006, 01:19 PM
You got that right.

Back to the topic though, do you use one in the top and one in the bottom or just one? I have been trying to get that two inches worth of light up the tube and it has been interesting.

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Ambo
05-26-2006, 01:40 PM
God, I hope I am here to witness it, with my luck ill be on vacation or something.

Yes, James, I am hopping eventually that problem will be worked out....I have tried a few different things, with no noticable change.

Photon, have you had any clients have any problems with the 1/16th walled blades, strength wise, or weighting issues? Also, you use enough of the film to make up the 1/16 gap between Tim's diffuser and the blade? I also have problems keeping the tips on my 1/16th blade, they fly off a hell of a lot easier than my 1/8 blades. Thanx ahead of time Photon.

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photonalterations
05-26-2006, 02:35 PM
I use hot glue for the tips and clear stretchy bonding tape around the seam of the cap.Just a thin strip of it.
2 "of light? are you referring to the chrome strip at the base if the blade?
That is the core effect. Also the longer you make the silver chrome section, the more it travels up the tube. I am not sure how far you could take that, But I know that I have used a 4" piece and witness 4" of saturated light travel past the blade holder.you will notice that too,But you must use 7/8" ID because of the angle of light reception. As for the mirrors I only use one mirror at the top instead two. Another idea that im working on is to have an end cap with two 45* angel mirrors at the top to redirect the saturated light back down the tube.

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xwingband
05-26-2006, 03:03 PM
So this "chromed" part... does it extend past the emitter? I messed with stuff at the base but didn't go past the emitter opening. because it showed. The difference was quite small but there and enough to warrant the little it costed.

I've always wondered what a blade made with the one way mirror film would be like. With all the reflection back inside, how much would go outside? An interesting thought.

What makes you think a 45 beveled mirror setup would help? I'd think that would make a "bloom". I really think a solution to making Lux sabers more even is in the optics. All the ones we use are meant... well for flashlights. Even with the 5, or whatever angle, it throws out some light to the side.

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tetmatek
05-27-2006, 07:52 PM
I've already experimented with mirrors at all angles and configs. You'll probably find pics of 70% of them on this forum and others. I have not put a one way glass at the hilt end and a mirror on the tip yet though. I think the light would be intense as it bounces back and forth on the two mirrors but constantly recharging itself. Just a thought.

I believe your going to find more saber builders out there than you can shake a stick at. Some that have been doing this for several years to the guy that has just spent a month on his first saber. Some people don't know that I have been doing this for almost two years. You'll find guys making big claims to firstness. Remember with a R & D department as big as the one we have i don't think there will ever be an Ultimate saber without a new one around taking it's place so take advantage of new discoveries and learn from 1000's of researchers right here.


Glad to learn from all of you

Hey Photon is there a way to direct the light just on the blade leaving the core empty. Maybe some sort of eclipse optics if ya get what i'm suggesting. Somtimes my delivery does not get my concept accross so imagination helps alot when i explain stuff.



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LAN-ED-TUL
05-28-2006, 02:05 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by photonalterations

Hey, nobody is saying to go out and buy broadband mirrors. No one is forcing it down the throat. People want to know what I use and its as simple as that. There is no sale going on here. People ask me questions and I answer them as carefully as possible.
Whatever works for people as long as they are happy with that.It's their business. I came up with the whole film/mirror blade thing in the first place as IONSABERS. Corbin ordered from me and used my film idea. He asked me all kinds of questions before you guys ever existed years ago. I am a developer and will continue to research. End of Story
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thanx for sharing. i still ahve yet to give the chromed film around the base thing a shot to see if it will make the blade brighter. i really need to try that out. question tho, do you insert it on the inside of the diffuser, or between diffuser and poly c blade?
i would think inside of diffuser myself.

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photonalterations
05-29-2006, 01:13 AM
Depending on how deep the blade socket is, 2-4" of a chrome silver strip will do fine.This part is the last thing underneath everything else.
This is going to sound dumb but how do you post pics on here?

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Do-Clo
05-29-2006, 01:25 AM
You will like this answer check the FAQ section and there are instructions for posting pictures.

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LAN-ED-TUL
05-30-2006, 02:12 AM
i found some rolls of clear cellophane craft stuff in the craft area at wally world yesterday. its big enough to make a roll of it for a 36 inch blade but only 30 inches wide to roll up. i thought i might try this out as a diffuser, since some have used rolled up films, and i have 2 blades with corbins film in them. it was cheap at 4 bucks a roll.

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GanJahMan
08-24-2006, 03:51 PM
This is way bright than any 3 watt
optical light enhance blade
working sound and light, the this is for you

This idiot cant even spell, much less make a quality product. They dont even take the time to make a decent Ebay ad with correct grammar!

BTW: How can this possibly have louder sounds using the stock MR sounboard, when Graflex hilts dont have the speaker exposed like the MR line does? If anything it would be quieter, since the only option is to drill holes in the Graflex cap, to allow the sound to escape. My Graflex is quieter and a bit muffled compared to my MR Anakin and MR Vader.... [xx(]

GanJahMan
08-24-2006, 03:55 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by O-B 1

Broadband mirrors are expensive... Extremely expensive...

Couldn't you achieve the same affect with Corbins film and Tims diffuser in one blade?


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Ok, I got one of their sabers 2 months ago. They claimed the same thing on the saber I have, they gave me the stock blade/diffuser with mylar and a mirror. And NO its not brighter than the blade I made with Corbins blade/film, mylar and mirror. I already posted high res pics in another thread for proof.

LAN-ED-TUL
08-28-2006, 01:07 AM
who's blade? photons?

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GanJahMan
08-29-2006, 09:07 AM
Yes, Photons blade. If Ionsabers and Photon Innovations are the same. Did you see the pics of the blades side by side? Maybe I just got a quick thrown together saber, but Im not the only one complaining about their quailty...

LAN-ED-TUL
08-29-2006, 10:26 PM
possibility, but i dont have any of their blades to tell ya what the quality is. that old horse was discussed a long time ago, and it got pretty heated up, and was dropped because of personal issues that were involved.


i can however, vouch, for jims hyperdyne vader voice system. expensive, very expensive, but it is the best vader voice system out there to date. and maybe not for too long either, i heard word over on STT that someones working on a new system that will be cheaper the jims. so we'll have to see what happens there.

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