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PowermanX4
05-03-2006, 02:04 AM
Hello. I was wondering, how heavey are the blades?

Also do the blades bend when you hit them againsted somthing?

It's really hard to fight with heavey blades, it's even more hard to roto scope a sceen when the blades are bending everywhere!

Thanks

Protein5000
05-03-2006, 02:46 AM
Hi,

I have both the thick blades from here and the stock MR blades. I must say the blades from here are very thick, incredibly strong and look virtually indestructable. However, they are quite heavy and the quick weilding that is possible with the thin walled blades is quite difficult with the thick walled - and I'm no small fellow; ex-boxer and 200lb bodybuilder.

They do not bend when they are hit, but because they do not absorb shock the shock is absorbed in the hilt - which makes for excellent sensitivity for the shock sensor, particularly in an MR conversion - and your hand cops it.

The thin blades feel like you are pretty much swinging nothing - its fast, light and has a very nice feel - but the downside is that they can bend and crack, whereas the thick walled ones wont do that in a hurry.

So to answer you question. The blades are heavy, quite a bit more than the stock MR ones, and I do find it hard to fight with them. The blades, wheather thick or thin wont really wobble if they are 1", that is more a problem with 3/4" EL blades.

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informalmyx
05-03-2006, 04:46 AM
agreed the el blades wobble and are heavy the LED wont bend at all

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james3
05-03-2006, 05:04 AM
I just posted to an identical question in the EL section.

I reckon weight is a relative thing, I don't really notice my EL blade being any heavier then my LED blade. I do agree that the thin walled blades like what comes on the MR-FX stock are lighter but I have not noticed a problem with swinging any of them around or dualing.

I will ask my brothers on this since I am the biggest guy in the bunch. Maybe they have noticed more then I have.

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LAN-ED-TUL
05-03-2006, 06:09 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PowermanX4

Hello. I was wondering, how heavey are the blades?

Also do the blades bend when you hit them againsted somthing?

It's really hard to fight with heavey blades, it's even more hard to roto scope a sceen when the blades are bending everywhere!

Thanks
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you posted the same question in 2 different threads.




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xwingband
05-03-2006, 07:14 AM
Yeah, that called double posting... it's not appreciated. If it can apply to both you post it in a general forum like the General Q&A.

The weight difference is not significant. The larger blade for LED lines it up with the EL blade rather closely.

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Zhi-don
05-03-2006, 08:04 AM
I have noticed that the LED blades are heavier than the EL blades. This is of course assuming the heavier walled 40 inch blades. One of my students suggested an added weight in the pommel of the modular hilt to balance it better.

They are better than the thinner walled LED blades. They tend to get damaged eventually from someone not pulling thier hits.

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PowermanX4
05-03-2006, 04:35 PM
Yeah, sorry about the double post, but right now I'm using the stick from a golf club. It's extreamly light and it doesn't bent what-so-ever. But it's a lot easyer to Roto=scope a lighted blade....

Thanks

Firebird21
05-03-2006, 04:41 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by PowermanX4

I'm using the stick from a golf club. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">


Been there, done that! lol

I found that Tim's blade is heavier than the Master Replica blade but not by much. But the MR feels better when struck because it does bend and Tim's doesn't. But that is MR's downfall too.

As far as in comparison to the Golf Club, it is much heavier. Especially against my $150 Carbon-Fiber 3-Wood that only lasted 1/2 a season...[:(!]


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987654321a
05-03-2006, 05:12 PM
Go with LED blades, Mmmm 1" goodness, and + its thickness i think is 1/8, same with EL but its too thin,

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Devilstar2k2
05-03-2006, 08:01 PM
I think the heavier blades are better for spinning and such. They give a better balance, and the added weight really lets you get some speed to the spins.

james3
05-03-2006, 08:16 PM
Devil has a great point. If you want to have some dramatic flare when you are welding your saber do not be to worried about the weight.

I think the best thing to do is buy a MHS kit, add an EL MHS blade holder, get your parts and blades and really get the feel for yourself. Countdown and some others swear by the LED blades but you can't knock EL, it has it's merits and I personally think the 3/4" blade is quite nice. I admit I don't do the 40 inch blades as I think they seem disproportionate(sp?) to the hilt but then again that's just my opinion and we all know they are like a-holes, everyone has one and we think they all stink[;)]

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GFORCE13
05-03-2006, 10:34 PM
I will never use thin walled blade ever again, one of my first EL broke because I told my friend Nate it was unbreakable so he proceeded to prove me wrong.[:D]

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supertrogdor
05-03-2006, 11:13 PM
i will add my two bits, the heavier blades are a bit more difficult to move really fast, but more important is getting a decent balance point. An unbalanced blade is exceptionally cumbersom to wield, for that reason i chopped about 5 inches off of my blade and it has since been much easier to use, and i can swing it quite a bit faster with control. For what that is worth i hope it helps
cheers

PowermanX4
05-04-2006, 01:44 AM
I have been using my Force FX saber lately, trying to get used to the waight, but it's to much. I'm a Martial Artest, and I've been training a little on welding swords, and for me the Force FX blades are still to heavey. It's a lot harder to move really fast and spin around. My golf club stick is awesome though, it's so light and doesn't bent, I'm just trying to figure out how to connect it to my hilt and make it detachable. bu it sounds like i'm not going to find a lighted blade thats super light and doesn't bend, but of well...

Zhi-don
05-04-2006, 12:38 PM
I took my Ultrasaber to class last night. Basically it's Tim's MHS. I had all my students and instuctors test it out. Then I dueled with it in single combat, circles and line battles. Final evaluation. Its blade heavy with the 40 inch x 1 inch x 1/8 inch walls. A heavier or weighted pommel or other weight in the hilt might make it more stable. It was about the same weight as a standard shinai [bamboo kendo practice sword]but not as well balanced. Ok...I admit it, I'm hooked on the glowing blades. EL was nice, but LED is much superior. It is going to take me some time to get used to the weight difference if I can't weigh the hilt properly. My timing is off, because I am used to the lighter EL. However, now I don't have to worry about whipping and I can lock up with anyone using a shinai without the blade bending. I have already dueled with the lighter, shorter, thinner walled MR blades. Not for me. We have already dented, warped or broken 6 MR sabers. These new LED ones, don't break at all. I took full impact [we never do this in dueling] hits from the strongest members of our class. Nothing...Nada! Impressive....most impressive.

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Nightwing
05-05-2006, 10:14 AM
Hmm... I'm thinking of doing a 34" or 36" blade with basic MHS parts, plus the extension piece. Will that work, balance-wise?

james3
05-05-2006, 10:42 AM
I have a 34" with MHS hilt,ext,tapered pommel and holder. 36" straight MHS kit as it comes. and an odd ball 2 ext,ribbed,bladeholder that has the best balance but I haven't got around to begging Tim to make a custom endcap for it.
The balance on the 34" with ext. is really nice. I have the battery pack down in the extension section which is at the bottom.
The standard hilt with a 36" blade is still a bit blade heavy but not unbearabe. It is asome for twirling though you can get it going PDQ[:D]
My oddball is a perfect hilt size but it needs an endcap pretty bad. It balances real well with a 36" EL blade and when I swap it to LED it falls right in with the first hilt I was talking about. I have used the 34" and 36" and been pleased since I get the weight of the longer hilt but it is closer to the standard size.

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Nightwing
05-05-2006, 11:45 AM
Sweet. I was planning on doing your first hilt exactly (tapered pommel, Extension, hilt tube, and standard blade holder) with a sink tube over it.
I hate to ask, but do you think you could put the 36" in that hilt and test its balance? I normally wouldn't ask, but this is the last thing I need to know before I actually buy my saber.

james3
05-05-2006, 11:52 AM
No problem....
Balance point is about 2 1/2 inches past the emitter tip as opposed to an inch an a half, it's very nice. Now I have to play with it like this for a while and now I am back to thinking of the 35" blade as well hmmmm...
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Nightwing
05-05-2006, 12:04 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by james3

Balance point is about 2 1/2 inches past the emitter tip as opposed to an inch an a half...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">You mean that the balance point is actually on the blade itself? Or do you mean that it's farther down the hilt?

james3
05-05-2006, 12:28 PM
Centerpoint is pretty much always in the blade. I try to get it right close to the emitter tip as I can but you don't want to get to heavy in the hilt as you will still have speed issues. There was a topic somewhere on here and someone posted a real nice explanation on the balance thing.
I know it seems weird at first but a good centerpoint is on the blade[8D]

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Nightwing
05-05-2006, 12:41 PM
Okay...
So would you say it's better to go with 34" or 36"?

james3
05-05-2006, 01:01 PM
I am thinking the 36 incher. Good rule to go by: Start at your longest length because you can always cut it down from there.
Height is a factor as well to a certain extent. I try to keep a complete saber between the center of my chest and above the gut if you set the pommel on the floor in front of you. That is my crude version of two thirds your length rule.

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Nightwing
05-05-2006, 01:09 PM
Well whaddaya know... Using the 2/3 rule, and factoring in the approximate length of the hilt up to the bottom of the blade, it came out to 36.666666666666666667.

james3
05-05-2006, 01:14 PM
Funny how that works idnit?[8D][;)]

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Devilstar2k2
05-05-2006, 01:26 PM
I like 36" blades... 2" in the hilt, and 34" out. Looks and feels the best, imo.

james3
05-05-2006, 02:15 PM
I have had the same feeling on that but the 34" blade I have been playing with is nice too. I am thinking about getting a 35" and give that a try.

The 36" is probally the perfect "standard" size.

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LAN-ED-TUL
05-05-2006, 08:40 PM
yeah, 36 inch is the usually accepted lenght most go for. in the case of my great saber build tho, im using a 48 inch with 2 inch in the holder. so the blades 46 inches seen. its a long saber and blade.




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Devilstar2k2
05-05-2006, 10:38 PM
lol... Thats not a saber, its a spear... [:p]

informalmyx
05-06-2006, 02:17 AM
i wish i could shave my EL saber down that thign is way to long and i really didnt notice till after my new hilt which is about 3 1/2 inches shorter

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LAN-ED-TUL
05-06-2006, 06:14 PM
you can. all you do is take the mono plug end out. cut the tube and diffuser the length you want. then redill and tap a new set screw hole in poly c for ther mono plug. ive done it, its easy to do. you will have to rethread the el wire again for the shorter length on the diffuser. if you understyand what i mean?




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informalmyx
05-07-2006, 01:36 AM
Lan i know i can but i lack a tap and such so wht i am thinking is when i order the new led MKS stuff i am gonna order a ne endcap since i fuc...er...fudged the tip tring different glues and epoxies to get tit to hold on and just cut the lenth from th tip

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LAN-ED-TUL
05-08-2006, 12:24 AM
well i didnt know you muffed it up. from the way you said it, i was just saying you can cut it down.




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informalmyx
05-08-2006, 04:42 AM
np

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05-08-2006, 11:57 AM
<font size="3"><font color="blue">I thought this was the LED blade forum?</font id="blue"></font id="size3"> [;)]

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james3
05-08-2006, 12:02 PM
Oh we are so good at getting de-railed[;)] And the funny thing is it's not always on purpose[:p]

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05-08-2006, 12:32 PM
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05-08-2006, 01:37 PM
Did some one say Derailed???

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05-08-2006, 02:41 PM
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05-09-2006, 01:27 AM
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Do-Clo
05-09-2006, 05:32 AM
Welcome to the silly side, it sure is a lot more fun[:p]

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Zhi-don
05-09-2006, 06:41 AM
Yo! Barkeep....I will take one of those! Sounds tasty!

After that you can whip me up a 'Thermal Detonator'

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LAN-ED-TUL
05-09-2006, 11:34 PM
or how bout an imperial blaster! lol
or rebel scum soda!




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