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SaberSentinel

05-02-2006, 11:03 AM

DISCLAIMER: I have a slow computer so I couldn't watch the film; but on the subject of Star Wars vs. Star Trek, I have a whole list of debate points I thought you guys might enjoy arguing about[}:)]

Star Wars: Ships measures sublight speeds in Kilometers per hour.
Star Trek: Ships measures sublight speeds in Kilometers per second.

Star Wars: The "fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy" can "make .5 past lightspeed"
Star Trek: The Enterprize-E can make warp 9.99 or 7900.2 times the speed of light!

Star Wars: Ships cannot see what is around them when they are in lightspeed
Star Trek: Ships fight battles at FTL speeds

Star Wars: The main weapon is the Laser
Star Trek: "lasers won't even penatrate our navigation shields" -Captain Picard

Star Wars: The Hellfire droid's missle uses "minute amouts" of antimatter to enhace explosions
Star Trek: The photon torpedo's warhead is comprised of 1.5 kilograms of antimatter.

Star Wars: As witnessed in KOTOR and various books/comics technology hasn't changed in 4000 years
Star Trek: In 350 years mankind went from chemical rockets to over 7000 times the speed of light!

Star Wars: Its takes a space station the size of a small moon to destroy a planet
Star Trek: It takes only eight Millenium Falcon sized species 8472 ships to destroy a planet (in "Scorpion part 1")

Star Wars: Ships using a cloaking device can't see what's around them
Star Trek: The Scimitar (Nemesis) can fire all its weapons while cloaked

Star Wars: The Force can move 2 stars at the same time
Star Trek: A member of the "Q" can move whole galaxies by snapping his fingers

Star Wars: the Jedi are powerful enough to keep the peace "for over a thousand generations"
Star Trek: The Borg, once they have assimilated one Jedi, would use all their high midiclorian count drones as force users

Okay, I have more but I think you get the point. but there is one thing Star Wars will alway have that Star Trek doesn't: The Lightsaber, an elegant weapon for a more civilized age. Compared to them Phasers are merely second rate (and "So uncivilized")

So, while my first loyalty is to Star Trek, I see absolutely no contradiction in being a devoted fan of Star Wars also.

Speak softly and carry a big lightsaber.

Old Jedi never die; they just fade away.

Do-Clo

05-02-2006, 11:21 AM

I watched the movie Blade Trinity the other night, now you are wondering what this has to do with anything right. But they had a weapon for killing vampires that was a cross between a klingon weapon the half round combat weapon and a lightsaber. They called a uV arc blade I think but the whole point is that it was like a cross bow with a lightsaber blade where the string would be and it was used like the klingon combat weapon. It folded up and was carried behind the back and when needed it was withdrawn and it unfolded with a metalic click and then the blade lit up with the same look as a lightsaber.

Do-Clo
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desertscorpion

05-02-2006, 11:51 AM

Ok, every piece of technology in Star Trek is superior. They can do warp 5 to the third power. In my opinion, who cares. And that illustrates exactly why I will always consider Star Wars superior to Star Trek. They don't get bogged down in the details, because its not about the details. It's about the people. Don't get me wrong, I love technology. And I like Star Trek. But some sort of strength from beyond oneself, a higher calling, and an overarching theme of redemption is much more interesting to me than hearing about the newest "space modulator" (as Marvin the Martian would say), and puttin' around the universe. One could argue that Star Trek is about people, too. But it's about people who starch their underwear. Ah, ha, ha, ha! [:p]

Firebird21

05-02-2006, 12:46 PM

Ahhh...

Instead of Popcorn, I've got "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot." [:p]

Seriously, That's what I'm drinking! lol

Edit:
I've always wanted to see something like that! That some Funnay Shisnit!

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james3

05-02-2006, 12:48 PM

I love that stuff! If I didn't already have a Diet Coke open I would have some too.

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cyberjedi

05-02-2006, 01:01 PM

I'm glad you guys like it.[:p]

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desertscorpion

05-02-2006, 01:25 PM

Love that stuff. Any of those Celestial kinds I like. I've always wanted to try the "Cubby Wubby Warm Room" Tea they mention in So I Married An Axe Murderer. Good flick. The tea's probably fictional, though.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Firebird21

Ahhh...

Instead of Popcorn, I've got "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot." [:p]

Seriously, That's what I'm drinking! lol

Edit:
I've always wanted to see something like that! That some Funnay Shisnit!

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Nightwing

05-02-2006, 02:05 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by desertscorpion

Ok, every piece of technology in Star Trek is superior. They can do warp 5 to the third power. In my opinion, who cares. And that illustrates exactly why I will always consider Star Wars superior to Star Trek. They don't get bogged down in the details, because its not about the details. It's about the people. Don't get me wrong, I love technology. And I like Star Trek. But some sort of strength from beyond oneself, a higher calling, and an overarching theme of redemption is much more interesting to me than hearing about the newest "space modulator" (as Marvin the Martian would say), and puttin' around the universe. One could argue that Star Trek is about people, too. But it's about people who starch their underwear. Ah, ha, ha, ha! [:p]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What you're referring to is the fact that Star Trek is science fiction, while Star Wars is fantasy, merely set in space. They're in entirely different genres.

One thing to consider also is that Star Trek is more drawn out, whereas Star Wars has to cram everything into a 2-hour movie. So you'll see differences in quality on both sides.

You can say that Starfleet officers starch their underwear, but I could argue that Anakin, the central character in the SW saga, is an immature hippie with severe emotional issues.

EDIT:
Okay, I finished watching the video, and I was kinda dissapointed. I liked how neither side got trashed, but technically the Enterprise should have been able to kill the Death Star with no problem. Heck, they wouldn't even need to fly a shuttle in or anything. A few phaser blasts and photon torpedoes would have plowed a hole straight through.
Not to mention the fact that Star Wars uses deflector shields, so phasers would go straight through it.

However, that was extraordinary editing, and it was something I've always wanted to see. Awesome!!!

desertscorpion

05-02-2006, 02:52 PM

Star Wars is definitely fantasy. Yeah, I agree on all points. Apples and Oranges. Good point. No comparison. I'll take swashbuckling any day!

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nightwing

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by desertscorpion

Ok, every piece of technology in Star Trek is superior. They can do warp 5 to the third power. In my opinion, who cares. And that illustrates exactly why I will always consider Star Wars superior to Star Trek. They don't get bogged down in the details, because its not about the details. It's about the people. Don't get me wrong, I love technology. And I like Star Trek. But some sort of strength from beyond oneself, a higher calling, and an overarching theme of redemption is much more interesting to me than hearing about the newest "space modulator" (as Marvin the Martian would say), and puttin' around the universe. One could argue that Star Trek is about people, too. But it's about people who starch their underwear. Ah, ha, ha, ha! [:p]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What you're referring to is the fact that Star Trek is science fiction, while Star Wars is fantasy, merely set in space. They're in entirely different genres.

One thing to consider also is that Star Trek is more drawn out, whereas Star Wars has to cram everything into a 2-hour movie. So you'll see differences in quality on both sides.

You can say that Starfleet officers starch their underwear, but I could argue that Anakin, the central character in the SW saga, is an immature hippie with severe emotional issues.

EDIT:
Okay, I finished watching the video, and I was kinda dissapointed. I liked how neither side got trashed, but technically the Enterprise should have been able to kill the Death Star with no problem. Heck, they wouldn't even need to fly a shuttle in or anything. A few phaser blasts and photon torpedoes would have plowed a hole straight through.
Not to mention the fact that Star Wars uses deflector shields, so phasers would go straight through it.

However, that was extraordinary editing, and it was something I've always wanted to see. Awesome!!!
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Nightwing

05-02-2006, 04:02 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by desertscorpion

Star Wars is definitely fantasy. Yeah, I agree on all points. Apples and Oranges. Good point. No comparison. I'll take swashbuckling any day!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Normally I'd agree with you. I'm all for that. However, I'm also a sci-fi fan, so I can't say that I'd always agree. After all, Star Trek has a total of 726 episodes and 10 movies (with an eleventh on the way).

NooB1Kenobi

05-02-2006, 05:58 PM

Star Wars has Twi'leks!! That's all that matters..

George Lucas open a chain of Twi'lek strip bars..

Female Twi'leks are so Hot! I want one. =0)~

Darth Poo Head

05-02-2006, 06:15 PM

that was really great stuff!!

Try not. Do or do not, you Rebel scum.

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Mor-El Kesav

05-02-2006, 06:27 PM

I see no contradiction in enjoying both of them. They both have their strong points and weak points. Shoot, Leonard Nimoy in his "I am not Spock" book talked about going to the premier of SW IV bound, set, and determined to hate it. He wound up cheering & yelling louder than anyone by the end of the movie. He stated that he thought SW had something ST I lacked, fun.

When he directed his ST films, he made sure to include the postive aspects he got from SW into his films. ILM has done the special effects for most of the ST movies. Why not? When you the very best in FX you hire ILM.

I throughly enjoy each universe for what it has to offer and I see no reason in slamming one to enhance my enjoyment of the other. I have a complete Star Trek uniform (Next Generatrion) in addition to my soon to be completed Jedi Robes. Each will be complete with top line props so that I can enjoy which ever type of Con I attend. It's like choosing between Jeri Ryan and Jolene Blalock. Why choose

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Nightwing

05-02-2006, 06:36 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El Kesav

I see no contradiction in enjoying both of them. They both have their strong points and weak points. Shoot, Leonard Nimoy in his "I am not Spock" book talked about going to the premier of SW IV bound, set, and determined to hate it. He wound up cheering & yelling louder than anyone by the end of the movie. He stated that he thought SW had something ST I lacked, fun.

When he directed his ST films, he made sure to include the postive aspects he got from SW into his films. ILM has done the special effects for most of the ST movies. Why not? When you the very best in FX you hire ILM.

I throughly enjoy each universe for what it has to offer and I see no reason in slamming one to enhance my enjoyment of the other. I have a complete Star Trek uniform (Next Generatrion) in addition to my soon to be completed Jedi Robes. Each will be complete with top line props so that I can enjoy which ever type of Con I attend. It's like choosing between Jeri Ryan and Jolene Blalock. Why choose<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I agree. I myself am looking to have both the Jedi robes and the ST: Voyager uniform sometime in the future. Any site you could reccomend?

Oh, and for the record, I choose Jeri Ryan. lol.

SaberSentinel

05-02-2006, 07:23 PM

Like I said, I like them both. about Jedi robes; I found this site a while back, haven't made my robes yet though.

http://jedi-academy.com/

Could the Borg adapt to lightsabers[?]

Speak softly and carry a big lightsaber.

Old Jedi never die; they just fade away.

Tenric Starkindler

05-02-2006, 07:25 PM

on choosing between Femmes...........I shall remain silent.[:D]

I too am a dual fan.
I have several ST props and would love a uniform to go with them....but SW is my costuming thing since I can choose only one.
I have the saber, belt, pouches, food capsules...am making the communicator and holoprojector.....will be getting the rest as $$ allows....

Reality often interferes with what would otherwise be an idyllic delusion.

Mor-El Kesav

05-02-2006, 07:38 PM

For Star Trek uniforms try this site

http://www.nightmarefactory.com/trek.html

or

http://www.clicket.com/clicket/costume/costgal.html

My wife is making the Jedi Robes from the Simplicity pattern. I'm making the belt, pouches, and the Lightsaber. Lightsaber parts from this site, of course.

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GFORCE13

05-02-2006, 10:17 PM

I also like both and own both a Jedi and Federation uniform, I have also decided that when I die I want my casket to be a Mark 6 Photon like STMP 2&3 but I will be wearing my Jedi, that way I have both series covered.[:D]

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LAN-ED-TUL

05-03-2006, 01:20 AM

like i said before, i likem both. i grew up on star trek the old series. and i want to get a old series costume, but i have looked for some time now, and i cant find a captains shirt. only in a pattern, guess i'll just have to make it.

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informalmyx

05-03-2006, 02:38 AM

if is scifi i like it

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Do-Clo

05-03-2006, 05:11 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by informalmyx

if is scifi i like it

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Same here, I enjoy all types of scifi drives the wife crazy[:D]

Do-Clo
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Don't make me destroy you...

james3

05-03-2006, 05:21 AM

I grew up on Star Trek, Star Wars, and Battlestar Galactica. I LOVE Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis. I have watched just about everything that has come on Sci-Fi channel and limit what I keep up with because things like Football, Baseball, Soccer, IRL racing and NASCAR racing get in the mix as well.

And then sometimes the wife takes over and we watch American Idol, Amazing Race, and a few other shows of that nature.

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LAN-ED-TUL

05-03-2006, 06:04 AM

i hear ya james. im the same way. i like all sci-fi programs, and movies. its just a matter of weedin out the better ones.

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Do-Clo

05-03-2006, 07:04 AM

Has anyone been watching the new Dr Who on the Scifi channel? I have found it to be a fairly good show, different from the original but still along the same lines.

Do-Clo
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informalmyx

05-03-2006, 07:58 AM

nah but i heard good things about it and i love british televisson

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Tenric Starkindler

05-03-2006, 08:59 AM

I passed on SaberSentinel's post at another forum with the same discussion and this response was posted......I thought it was interesting so I'll share it here:
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I don't know where 'Sabersentinel' got those 'facts' from, but I'd really like to see some documented proof from canon publications, sites or other reliable sources.

I have this to back my argument:

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

Also its the Federation against the Empire, as I seriously doubt Species 8472, Q, the Borg, the race that built the Dyson Sphere would help the Federation fight the Empire.

And a laser can panetrate ANYTHING if its powerful enough. Here's an example of the power output ratio I was talking about:

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PT (petaton)--SW: Planetary and large station shields

TT (teraton)--SW: Common shield strength among ISDs and Dreadnaughts/heavier weapons strength

GT (gigaton)--SW: Common weapons strength/lower ships such as Corevettes and Frigates have high GT range shields.

MT (megaton)--SW: torpedoes, both proton (low MT) and concussion (190MT)

KT (kiloton)--SW: fighter's lasers (usually around 2KTs per fighter laser)

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PT--ST: They have not made it this far in weapons or shield strength.

TT--ST: They have not made it this far in weapons or shield strength.

GT--ST: Only a fleet can obtain this power (Borg can get into low low GT)/Borg cube can survive lower GT ranges to mid GT ranges.

MT--ST: Common strength of phasers, diruptors, and torpedoes/ shield usually in this range

KT--ST: Someone mentioned a tri-cobalt device in this range in another debate, though said person has since left that debate. (500KT IIRC).

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Oh, BTW, although the Max hyperspace speed has never been stated, the ability to travel "halfway across the galaxy" in a matter of hours as demonstrated in ANH, TPM, and AOTC requires speeds in the range of 10 million to 100 million times c.

ST Max warp speed: ~2000c (warp 9.6), sustainable 12 hours for a single sprint of roughly 3 light-years. This appears to have increased to roughly 3000c for newer ships such as the Intrepid-class.

And here's a size comparison chart between vahicles and structures of several popular Sci-Fi genres, including SW & ST:

http://www.st-minutiae.com/misc/comparison.gif

Once the image has finished loading, click on it to enlarge.

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It is an interesting debate.

Reality often interferes with what would otherwise be an idyllic delusion.

Nightwing

05-03-2006, 09:55 AM

It doesn't matter about the relative power of the shields or lasers, it has to do with the way the shields work. Depending on how you look at it, the Star Trek shields either "take" the laser hit, or they "dissipate it".

Size matters not. The Enterprise-E still has quantum torpedoes, which are a lot more powerful than regular photons, and phasers, which go straight through deflector shields. Imagine what would happen if the Enterprise went up against a fleet of Star Destroyers... Because its impulse engines make it so much faster than Star Destroyers, as well as the fact that Starfleet phaser strips can fire in any direction, it would fly right through the fleet, firing phasers at every single bridge. It'd be like "headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot..."
That dish-thingy on the front of Star Trek ships can make deflector shields, but they're practically useless against disruptors, phasers, etc.
The only way I think that the Enterprise would be taken down is if it were hit full-blast with a Death Star blast (assuming that its shields wouldn't simply dissipate it, silly as it sounds).

In short, you're comparing two different types of shields and two different types of energy weapons.

Oh, and the SW galaxy is different than the ST galaxy; you can't make speed comparisons based on their size.

desertscorpion

05-03-2006, 12:56 PM

Remember, I did say that I like Star Trek. And the starching of the underwear thing was a joke. But, I'm a fantasy guy. I like knights, dragons, and castles. I like truth over facts and theme over plot. Rescuing the maiden and riding off into the sunset.

Nightwing

05-03-2006, 01:40 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by desertscorpion

Remember, I did say that I like Star Trek. And the starching of the underwear thing was a joke. But, I'm a fantasy guy. I like knights, dragons, and castles. I like truth over facts and theme over plot. Rescuing the maiden and riding off into the sunset.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Heck yeah, man. As a literature guy myself, I'm all for major themes and truth. If I could be anything, I'd be a knight. Slaying the forces of evil; saving the princess and whatnot...

987654321a

05-03-2006, 01:46 PM

hahaha star wars wins all the way, i know the vids werent bout star wars vs star trek but star wars kicks @SS

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naashar

05-03-2006, 02:02 PM

Funny; I thought I was the only one walking around with buckled swashes.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by desertscorpion

Star Wars is definitely fantasy. Yeah, I agree on all points. Apples and Oranges. Good point. No comparison. I'll take swashbuckling any day!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

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naashar

05-03-2006, 02:17 PM

Yeah, I've read the thread and I'd have to agree with all points. I love the mythic proportion of SW, yet my previous military life strongly identifies with ST. I mean, I actually hold the Anakin/Obi battle right up there with the unveiling of the Enterprise with the cloaking device and Riker at the helm, grayed mustache and all! They both invoke that.."je ne se quoi" that was born when my folks took me to see ESB at the theater and bought me the ST:TMP Pop Up Book!

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LAN-ED-TUL

05-03-2006, 09:45 PM

well, trek did turn tail and run in that clip ya know. lol but i still likem both.

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Nightwing

05-04-2006, 09:40 AM

I just realized a few things:

My favorite movie is Star Wars Episode IV, and my favorite show is Star Trek: Voyager.

I'm trying to build myself a lightsaber, as well as a model of either of the starships Voyager or Enterprise-E.

I'm waiting patiently for the next Star Wars game and/or TV series, and I'm waiting impatiently for the Star Trek Online game.

So it seems that once again, it's proven that the two are not mutually exclusive. (that is, until I get my hands on Star Trek: Online. I will have NO FREE TIME after that.)

NooB1Kenobi

05-04-2006, 12:48 PM

I want a new Star Wars Flight Simulator... They need to make one..

Female Twi'leks are so Hot! I want one. =0)~

Nightwing

05-04-2006, 12:53 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by NooB1Kenobi

I want a new Star Wars Flight Simulator... They need to make one...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Yeah, man. X-Wing Alliance was the last flight SW sim. I'm ready for more.

SaberSentinel

05-04-2006, 01:33 PM

Tenric Starkindler:
The list I created myself, mostly from memory, (I know I need a life and I will source my information in the future). I suggest we confine our talk to The Empire vs. The Federation. The clincher in a fleet-to-fleet battle I believe is the ability to fire at FTL speeds (witnessed in Nemesis). I believe the Federation could strafe the Empire at warp and the Empire would never see them coming. also as Nightwing said they could target the bridge.
The issue of speed, its seems bad for the Federation, Star Wars cannon states ".5 past lightspeed" It would have to be faster to travel across the galaxy, but I don't know how much faster. However the Empire still can't see or shoot while in lightspeed
I think the Federation would win, You think the Empire would win.
lets just agree to disagree.

Speak softly and carry a big lightsaber.

Old Jedi never die; they just fade away.

Nightwing

05-04-2006, 03:03 PM

Let's remember that Star Wars isn't science fiction. It's fantasy, set in space. It's not based off the "world", but off the characters. It's not meant to be examined so closely, at least not from a technological perspective.

cyberjedi

05-04-2006, 03:21 PM

That's true. Many of the items in Star Trek have real science behind them. And some day will be availible to all of us.

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Nightwing

05-04-2006, 03:33 PM

I actually wrote a research paper called "How Science Fiction Has Influenced Real-World Science"

I used one example from Star Wars (holograms) but I had at least two from Star Trek (Flip-Phone communicators and a new "ComBadge" that is now being produced).

naashar

05-04-2006, 03:48 PM

What do you mean, "Someday"?? I want my transporter, and I want it N.O.W.

J/k, I can wait. Could you imagine if the Jedi had access to transporter tech? Or if Scotty decided those dilithium crystals would be better served in a sink-tube?

These are the things I think about when I'm waiting to get off of work.

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Mor-El Kesav

05-04-2006, 04:13 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nightwing

I actually wrote a research paper called "How Science Fiction Has Influenced Real-World Science"

I used one example from Star Wars (holograms) but I had at least two from Star Trek (Flip-Phone communicators and a new "ComBadge" that is now being produced).
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Did you the two excellent books on Physics and Sci Fi? The Physics of Star Trek and the Physics of Star Wars? I've read them both and they are excellent. They cover what is possible, probable, and impossible in the realm of Science Theory as applied to the two universes.

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Nightwing

05-04-2006, 04:22 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El KesavDid you the two excellent books on Physics and Sci Fi? The Physics of Star Trek and the Physics of Star Wars? I've read them both and they are excellent. They cover what is possible, probable, and impossible in the realm of Science Theory as applied to the two universes.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I own the Physics of Star Trek, but haven't finished it.
I wasn't really going for the "physics" side of it, anyway. It was more along the lines of "what real-world inventions were influenced by sci-fi"
Here are a few of them:
Military Submarines - The Nautilus from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Flip-Phones - Star Trek Communicators

The Aqualung - first seen in 20,000 Leagues.

Actually, in From the Earth to the Moon, Jules Verne figured out the best possible launch spot for a spacecraft. The spot he picked was only about 5 miles from Cape Canaveral.

GFORCE13

05-04-2006, 10:27 PM

Also don't forget PDA's basiclly the PADD's seen on STNG.[8D]

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cyberjedi

05-04-2006, 11:07 PM

Also just look at health care at hospitals.

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desertscorpion

05-05-2006, 08:19 AM

Jules Verne also mentioned a nuclear submarine way before it's time. That dude was a visionary!

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<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El KesavDid you the two excellent books on Physics and Sci Fi? The Physics of Star Trek and the Physics of Star Wars? I've read them both and they are excellent. They cover what is possible, probable, and impossible in the realm of Science Theory as applied to the two universes.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">I own the Physics of Star Trek, but haven't finished it.
I wasn't really going for the "physics" side of it, anyway. It was more along the lines of "what real-world inventions were influenced by sci-fi"
Here are a few of them:
Military Submarines - The Nautilus from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Flip-Phones - Star Trek Communicators

The Aqualung - first seen in 20,000 Leagues.

Actually, in From the Earth to the Moon, Jules Verne figured out the best possible launch spot for a spacecraft. The spot he picked was only about 5 miles from Cape Canaveral.
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LAN-ED-TUL

05-05-2006, 02:55 PM

as far as the medical aspect goes, we have a type of hypospray already, and there is, at least i heard there was, a medical bed that was similar to the beds in TOS in McCoys sick bay.

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WeirdoTransvestite

05-05-2006, 03:29 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naashar

What do you mean, "Someday"?? I want my transporter, and I want it N.O.W.
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Sorry buddy, but that is the Least likely piece of Star Trek Tech to ever be made. It would have to be pad to pad anyway, not pad to East Bumblef**k, much less site-to-site. You wouldn't be able to reassemble a person with no machines to reassemble you with. Hell, even if it is ever made, religion would have to be abolished to use it. The guy was broken down, doesn't that make him dead?

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naashar

05-05-2006, 03:31 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by WeirdoTransvestite

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naashar

What do you mean, "Someday"?? I want my transporter, and I want it N.O.W.
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Sorry buddy, but that is the Least likely piece of Star Trek Tech to ever be made. It would have to be pad to pad anyway, not pad to East Bumblef**k, much less site-to-site. You wouldn't be able to reassemble a person with no machines to reassemble you with. Hell, even if it is ever made, religion would have to be abolished to use it. The guy was broken down, doesn't that make him dead?

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Oh, Jesu Christmas...we really don't wanna open that up again. Thanks, though, for raining on my parade.[V] Plus, you can get great hotwings in East Bumblef**k. Stay out of the west side, though...

It hadn't even made the turn on Main St. yet...[;)]

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WeirdoTransvestite

05-05-2006, 03:37 PM

Well this is sure to bring a smile....

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naashar

05-05-2006, 03:53 PM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by WeirdoTransvestite

Well this is sure to bring a smile....

http://www.gigaville.com/comic.php?id=1

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Nice...speaking of, anyone see the trailer for the new Metal Gear being released on PS3? Looks thorough...ok, back to our focus.

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Nightwing

05-06-2006, 09:14 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by WeirdoTransvestite
The guy was broken down, doesn't that make him dead?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Not if he's converted into energy... then he technically still has a body.

Mor-El Kesav

05-06-2006, 10:13 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Nightwing

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by WeirdoTransvestite
The guy was broken down, doesn't that make him dead?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Not if he's converted into energy... then he technically still has a body.
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Conservation of mass. Neither energy nor mass can be destroyed only converted from one form to the other.

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WeirdoTransvestite

05-06-2006, 10:39 AM

My point was that it's semantics, religion would have to go before transporters came into use.

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naashar

05-06-2006, 11:43 AM

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by WeirdoTransvestite

My point was that it's semantics, religion would have to go before transporters came into use.

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Not necessarily; a lot of the church goers would just have to stay home!

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