Lightsaber Exercises

[Mor-El Kesav]

I have been studying the lightsaber tutorials put on line by several of you, and going to the places some of you have recommended. I have pulled them together and created an exercise routine for myself and my daughters. I have found it to be an excellent form of aerobic exercise that does NOT stress out arthritic joints like mine. In fact the exercises have actually been INCREASING my range of motion [:D]. This is the best stuff I have found to combat my Gulf War Syndrome. Besides being a good workout, it is fun. The 8 year old boy watches us work out a night with his mouth hanging open every night. Turns out he is an avid Star Wars fan and can't get enough of watching lightsabers move around. He has started to bring in some friends of his.

The only draw back is that we have been using Hasbro lightsabers because we don't have all the parts we need to build our CSS lightsabers. Those hasbro lightsabers are, bluntly, not sturdy enough to stand up the task. [:(] We will be salvaging the sound boards out of these and using them in our CSS lightsabers.

I'm reduced to pleading here. TIM! PLEASE HURRY UP AND GET IN THE EMITTER HEADS!!!!!! I have money, I'm ready to purchase my lightsabers! PLEASE!!!! Oh yeah, and the faucet knob pommels too. I might as well get full use of my groveling. [;)]

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[informalmyx]

lol great you shouldvideo your self doing these and we can have teh TCSS exercise.

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[Lord_Jyensba_Lalne]

Where can I find these sites? I have Googled and everything...

I am 1/3 High School student and 2/3 SITH LORD.

[informalmyx]

what sites the tutorials?

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[Mor-El Kesav]

This is the primary site I've been using for tutorials: http://www.akaimpc.com/lightsaberspins101.html

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[informalmyx]

bookmarked

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[Mor-El Kesav]

I just finished my nightly work out. When you start doing those exercises with some speed, it will really give a good work out. You just have to make sure you don't hit yourself on the forehead and yourself a lobobomy![B)]

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[xwingband]

You mean a lobotomy?[:p]

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I think he already did xwing[:p]

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[Mor-El Kesav]

[quote]Originally posted by xwingband

You mean a lobotomy?[:p]

See what I mean? Are we going to take over the world today, Brain? [xx(]

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[GFORCE13]

All Brain Surgery Aside, I just found my new work out program I have a nice big dark backyard perfectly condusive to Light Saber use. Thanks again for posting the link, the Force is truly your ally.[:)]

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[Mor-El Kesav]

My pleasure. I hope y'all enjoy it as much as we have. The force will be strong with you when you master these exercises!

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[LAN-ED-TUL]

saved in favs. thanks.




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[Zhi-don]

I actually teach Lightsaber Training.

We use the same techniques found in Kendo. We don't use armor and limit some of the attack patterns to reduce chance of injury. This type of dueling is known as Shinai.

It is based on a 4 pattern kata. Right flank, left flank, right leg and left leg. The 5 area would be head, but we do not use this for the above reasons. We strive for speed, but pull our hits for the same reason.

Attacks and defense are built on this 4 pattern kata as well. We have been doing this for about 2 years now with great success. We use EL, LED and stunt sabers as well as the standard shinai type practice swords.

After learning basic attack and defense patterns, most students develop thier own techniques based on both the indiviuals imagination as well as the moves used in the SW movies.

My doctor says this is the best cardio exercise he has ever heard of and has significantly improved my health.

There are several shinai sites available to look at and these techniques can be directly applied to lightsaber dueling as we have done.

If you have any questions, let me know.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[Mor-El Kesav]

For those of us who live 3000 miles or more from you Master Zhi-don, how about posting some of your basic lightsaber kata instructions? I'm not talking dueling, that should only be done under the supervision of a Master such as yourself, I'm talking basic moves to add to our exercise routines. Unless that would be violating your teaching code, in which case I understand and withdraw the request.

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[DARTHMONKEY1706]

instructions
that would be cool


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[informalmyx]

lol darth is all you say Cool

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[thestr8metaledge]

hey I didn't think that this was important enough to start a new topic on, and since there's already one dedicated to saber excercise I'll state it here. I do saber spinning also (I do it at very high speeds as a method of working out my forearms, hands, and shoulders).
you know those little things you think of/discover late at night when you're really tired/bored?
for those of you with sabers without sound:
spinning the saber very fast results in a quiet, low pitched, bassy hum that can make your workout quite fun with a little imagination. just make sure you're not doing your workout in a noisy place.[:)]

I'd also like to point out that doing something I call "finger splits" helps greatly to flex out your digits and improve dexterity for you to learn more complicated manuevers. it's like a split with your legs. take two fingers (ex. your index and middle finger) and spread them out from your hand. one in front. one in back. the easiest way to do this is again like a split with your legs...just point them both down onto a tabletop or onto a wall and push down, letting the pressure take them in opposite directions. go as far down as you can without painful strain and hold it for about 10-20 seconds per pair of fingers.
this is also a great excercise for any guitarists like myself out there.

[Zhi-don]

Very well. Request granted. Most of what we do is based on standard Shinai techniques. For some of what we do, grab your EP2 Visual Dictionary and go to near the end for Lightsaber forms. Don't have one? Go and get it!

Basic starting form is thus:

Stand with your primary foot slightly forward and legs spread about a foot or so apart facing your opponent. We like to use the following: trees, lightposts or a friend [Hey! Don't run away..this won't hurt much!]

Hold your weapon [shinai, lightsaber, paper tube] with your primary hand close to the front[emitter] and your secondary hand near the bottom [pommel]. Angle the blade at about 45 degrees. Lifting the blade upward and to the right[or left], swing down and stike about where the shoulder would be. Do this gently and slowly at first. Repeat on the other shoulder. Then the same thing only strike at where the knee would be on the right[or left] leg. Repeat on the other side. REPEAT this process. This is known as a kata, when you have someone to work with or solo as we like to call it when you don't have a person with a weapon [Your friend...Hey...where did he go? doesn't count if doesn't have one]

Now that you have the process down start increasing your speed. Now watch your hits, you only want to tap the object [tree, friend, etc.] not kill it. Pull your punch when it lands. This is valuable later on when dueling with a real person. You want to attack fast and accurate, but pull your hit as to only tap slight when you arrive. This skill takes discipline and lots of practice.

If you have someone with a similar weapon, then do the same thing only you will meet thier blade in midair about halfway between both of you. The kata goes thus if you are right handed. left flank[shoulder][you both swing and the blades meet in the middle], right flank [shoulder], left leg, right leg. Repeat. When you get used to this process you can speed it up until you are going so fast, it's a blur. The Visual Dictionary says the Jedi do this...it's called Velocities. You keep going faster and faster until someone quits or misses a strike.

I will try and get some pics and post them if you like.

Feel free to ask any questions you want and I will try to answer as best as I can.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[informalmyx]

Through use a pic of the stances so we can emulate

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[Zhi-don]

I will try to take some with my digital this weekend at class. I will do both the solo and the kata and will post them here on monday.

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Lightsaber training OCSWS

[SaberSentinel]

Wikipedia's article on lightsaber combat has several "official" stances that were in the movies; but it has very few pictures of the stances, thus making it difficult to use them. I'm also not quite convinced some of them are useful (or even wise) to use. Just FYI



Speak softly and carry a big lightsaber.

Old Jedi never die; they just fade away.

[Zhi-don]

Some of us at my class have tried various moves from the movie in actual combat and found them to be almost useless. The same Anakin overhead stance is seen in Kingdom of Heaven. Almost anyone who has studied swordplay at all know that it takes time to drop the sword from that angle, especially from behind your back like Anakin does. Most sword fighting in the middle ages was done with shield. This is a whole different style. In addition you can only cut down left or right, not side to side, unless you modify your chop into a swing. The whole twirl your saber thing is pretty much useless too, unless it's for show. You do not have complete control while you twirl and your weapon could be knocked out of your hand by someone who was very quick. The beginning stance [Obi-wan's] is doable, but still awkward as you are putting your wrong foot forward causing you to be slightly off balance when you move forward. All in all, there are plenty of real sword moves in the movie, but there are alot of moves that 'just look good on film' Of course, others may not agree with me. That's ok...this is just my opinion.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

I don't know if this is relevant, but I'll put my $.02 in anyway. Spend it as you like.

I've found a lot of wisdom in literature like The Hagakure. It was featured in a movie called "Ghost Dog", but one of the tenants in the book stated something to the effect of "if you want to master the Sword, pick up the Staff." Another way of illustrating this is the attention many Samurai gave to the Tea Ceremony, or calligraphy.

Giving your all to something that may not be your first prediliction will allow you to fully appreciate your initial passion. That said...

I actually own a few authentic (as I'm sure many of you do) weapons; sais, tai-chi blade, nunchakus, and katana to be specific. Occasionally, I'll pick up my brother's Butterfly Swords for kicks. After I've done a few forms/kata/velocities with those, wielding my MR Anakin Graflex becomes an exercise in Zen, to paraphrase Vadeblade in another thread. My moves become very instinctive and fluid, and it's an absolute joy to find out what I can "get away with", for lack of better phraseology.

All in all, I recommend this type of "cross-training" to everyone; and, you don't need special shoes to do it, either!

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[DARTHMONKEY1706]

i say other things to [;)]

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lol darth is all you say Cool

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[Mor-El Kesav]

Master Zhi-don, thank you. I will encorporate your kata into my routine starting tonight. The benefits of this exercise program have been multiple and have manifested themselves in very short order. Increased range of motion, decreased pain, increased muscle strength, decreased body weight, and a better cardiovascular system have been the rewards for the investiment of time, books, and equipment. Far more that equitable in my estimates.

I look forward to the video presentations of your classes.

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[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El Kesav

This is the primary site I've been using for tutorials: http://www.akaimpc.com/lightsaberspins101.html

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I just finished watching a majority of the tutorials...

Very comprehensive, very thorough. In the words of a more infamous Jedi: "Impressive. Most Impressive."

I will incorporate pretty much all of these; I love the fact that it kinda builds in complexity, which should give you a pretty accurate gauge of skill progression.

This humble knight is most appreciative.

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[Mor-El Kesav]

They are indeed comprehensive. I used lesson one, the Velocities, tonight during my routine. WHEW! [xx(] That left me rather winded by the time my shoulders told me to stop. I'm finding that the spins, while not good for fighting, ARE good for loosening up the muscles tighted up by the Velocities.

I can't wait for lesson #2. I have ordered the EP II Visual Dictionary. Believe it or not, it is on back order! I should have it in 2 - 3 weeks!

As with Naashar, this humble knight is most appreciative.

Hey Naashar, what branch of the Service were you in? I'm retired Army.

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[naashar]

Former Sailor here. Served 5 years to the day, and wouldn't take back a minute of it.

I totally agree on the ineffectiveness of the spins, combat-wise, but they are just so darned gorgeous to behold! Although I know the wisdom in ending a "fight" as quickly and as decisively as possible, I cannot discount the psychological effect a well-executed spin can have, on both you and your opponent. I mean, I know I wasn't the only one who was glad to see the utterly complex dances that took place in Ep. I-III, artistic license a given. But, I find that the Velocities hone my discipline, while the spins let me cut loose. It takes on an almost Tai-Chi feel.

That, and it's shamelessly fun.

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[Jedi Master Hanh Plaenus]

Like unarmed training, I feel in weapons training and combat, you want to always protect your centerline. In Taiji (Tai Chi) your arms never go out of a specific range because they break the whole body strength and power. Other martial arts have similar philosophy. Escrima teaches a more angular(circular) attack method than many other fencing methods. Alot of fencing styles tend to be back and forth, which can be effective based on the practitioner and their personal training.

It's getting late though and I think I am starting to go off on a tangent.

[informalmyx]

the oy spinning moves i have seen work are for blocking blasterfire

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[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by informalmyx

the oy spinning moves i have seen work are for blocking blasterfire

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'Zactly! Which plays right into the form that I most identify with: Form III. Impenetrable defense in a world where my less-than-civilized enemies may not share my enthusiasm for elegant weaponry and decide to pick up the aforementioned blaster.

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[Zhi-don]

When I first learned swordsmanship in the SCA many years ago, I found in stimulating, although awkward. The shield and armor had something to do with that. I watched the same movies that everyone else did and was awed by the fluidness of the movements. I was too big for fencing and too slow.

When I was introduced to the 'Shinai' style of fighting, I found I had a good feel for it. The Master who trained me and I decided to turn it to something else we both loved....LIGHTSABERS.

When I faced my first opponent, other than my Master, I did not do as well as I would have liked. Afterwards, he came up to me and complimented me on my 'STARWARS' style of fighting. My reaction was as expected..."HUH?" I replied. "You fight like old Obi-wan," he told me. Apparently without knowing that I had done it, I was circling the tip of my blade as we sparred. I immediately went home and watched EP4 again. Yep, that was what I was doing. Along time later, after we had established the "Lightsaber Training Class", I found it very useful and disconcerting to my students. Given my age [50's] and size...400 lbs, it gave me a certain flair and sometimes even an advantage. Now at 150 lbs lighter after weight loss surgery, I have found that a figure 8 syle is even better and covers my center more effectively. It is very fluid and allows aggressive and defensive moves without 'telegraphing' my intent. Usually the eyes or shoulders will indicate a pending strike, but with this technique my shoulders are almost constantly in motion and I long ago learned not to let my eyes focus on my target. This figure 8 style is very similar to the larger figure 8 attack used in most movies, except smaller and more focused. I am hoping to borrow a vidcam to film some of our classes and post somewhere for others to view.

OH...other news. I have shifted from EL to LED as of this weeks class. Tim's MHS saber, assembled by ULTRASABER, arrived this last weekend. After a few small mods, O rings on the grip area and some foam inside to reduce battery pack movement, I took it to class this wednesday. The darn thing IS almost indestructable. I thought EL saber blades were tough. The only problem I had was that the blades are heavier, throwing my balance off. The hilt needs weights on the pommel to counteract this. I will add some this week and give it another go on Sundays class. More on this later.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jedi Master Hanh Plaenus

Like unarmed training, I feel in weapons training and combat, you want to always protect your centerline. In Taiji (Tai Chi) your arms never go out of a specific range because they break the whole body strength and power. Other martial arts have similar philosophy. Escrima teaches a more angular(circular) attack method than many other fencing methods. Alot of fencing styles tend to be back and forth, which can be effective based on the practitioner and their personal training.

It's getting late though and I think I am starting to go off on a tangent.
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I'd have to agree with you wholeheartedly. I think a great illustration of your point would be the final battle in Jet Li's "The One", where Gabe used a circular technique and Wulaw used a more linear technique. Both have merit and can be effective, situationally of course.

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[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

When I first learned swordsmanship in the SCA many years ago, I found in stimulating, although awkward. The shield and armor had something to do with that. I watched the same movies that everyone else did and was awed by the fluidness of the movements. I was too big for fencing and too slow.

When I was introduced to the 'Shinai' style of fighting, I found I had a good feel for it. The Master who trained me and I decided to turn it to something else we both loved....LIGHTSABERS.

When I faced my first opponent, other than my Master, I did not do as well as I would have liked. Afterwards, he came up to me and complimented me on my 'STARWARS' style of fighting. My reaction was as expected..."HUH?" I replied. "You fight like old Obi-wan," he told me. Apparently without knowing that I had done it, I was circling the tip of my blade as we sparred. I immediately went home and watched EP4 again. Yep, that was what I was doing. Along time later, after we had established the "Lightsaber Training Class", I found it very useful and disconcerting to my students. Given my age [50's] and size...400 lbs, it gave me a certain flair and sometimes even an advantage. Now at 150 lbs lighter after weight loss surgery, I have found that a figure 8 syle is even better and covers my center more effectively. It is very fluid and allows aggressive and defensive moves without 'telegraphing' my intent. Usually the eyes or shoulders will indicate a pending strike, but with this technique my shoulders are almost constantly in motion and I long ago learned not to let my eyes focus on my target. This figure 8 style is very similar to the larger figure 8 attack used in most movies, except smaller and more focused. I am hoping to borrow a vidcam to film some of our classes and post somewhere for others to view.

OH...other news. I have shifted from EL to LED as of this weeks class. Tim's MHS saber, assembled by ULTRASABER, arrived this last weekend. After a few small mods, O rings on the grip area and some foam inside to reduce battery pack movement, I took it to class this wednesday. The darn thing IS almost indestructable. I thought EL saber blades were tough. The only problem I had was that the blades are heavier, throwing my balance off. The hilt needs weights on the pommel to counteract this. I will add some this week and give it another go on Sundays class. More on this later.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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I eagerly await that offering, Master Zhi-don. Have you had a chance to look at NYJedi's site? I would love a chance to sit in on both their's and your sessions. That, or receive some training at your school, journeyman-style. It seems we've similar philosophies concerning technique.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

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Master Zhi-don, what we need here is an expansion of your Jedi University. You can develop some training packets, get some of us trained up as instructors, and then we can run satellite schools in various states. I'd love to do something like that here in North Carolina, but lack a Jedi Master who's lightsaber skills are at the appropriate level to teach. Just a thought...

Moving on, what blade length do you use? I'm 6'1" tall, 220 pounds, and I prefer the longer blades as they feel more comfortable to me. Short blades feel, ackward somehow. I'm leaning towards the 40 inch blade, but I was wondering if that was too long for someone of my height? The only other sword I own is Scottish Claymore and it has a 52 inch blade, but that is for cutting the legs out of charging horses. When I sheath it, I have to wear an over-the-shoulder scabbard I made for it. Fighting styles with that monster are completly different. That sword uses a power chopping type motion or a down jab when you have unseated the rider.

What would be your recommendations for an appropriate lightsaber blade length?



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[naashar]

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Master Zhi-don, what we need here is an expansion of your Jedi University. You can develop some training packets, get some of us trained up as instructors, and then we can run satellite schools in various states. I'd love to do something like that here in North Carolina, but lack a Jedi Master who's lightsaber skills are at the appropriate level to teach. Just a thought...

What would be your recommendations for an appropriate lightsaber blade length?



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Took the words right outta my fingers. I, too, wholeheartedly endorse that suggestion/request.

Master Mor-El, several tomes I've read suggest an "organic" approach; that is, measurements using your own body's proportions as a base. Nunchaku, for example, are usually measured thusly: one handsbreadth for the connecting chain length, with each stick measuring the length of the forearm, wrist to elbow, referring to the individual wielder, of course. Ray Park mentioned that, during the initial design phase of his infamous weapon, he initially scrapped the original design for one that was more suited to his knowlege, style, and body: the hilt had to be at least the length of his waist, but no more than shoulder-width. Now, all that being said...

...I've no idea how that would translate to 'sabers! lol But, I hope this simple offering puts you on a path you hadn't considered before.

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[Zhi-don]

Let me say this about blade length:

The stock practice weapon is the standard 40 inch shinai. Most students can't afford EL or LED sabers or even stunt [non-electric] ones.

Most of the others use EL.

Most EL sabers run at about 40 inches. Thin walled 1/16 x 3/4 wide are too whippy to be used unless you want to put a colored foil wooden dowel rod inside them, which we have done for daytime practice classes. Much prettier than milky colored EL. Of course Parks green blades are nice too. Our duelable EL blades are the Parks/Jedi Loreen standard 1/8 wall x 3/4 wide by 40 inch long. We removed the tips from the Parks blades and filled the end with industrial silicone. Then we dremmeled the ends to remove the sharp edges. We had to to this since someone got a nice cut across the cheek. Poly blade end edges are sharp.

Some of the students who want to, use MR FX sabers. These have 36 inch long x 1 inch wide x 1/16 inch walls. A good hit with a shinai a little too hard will bust the LED's inside. A full power hit will even dent the poly blade, so even though some have replaced the string LED's with a LUXEON single, I don't recommend them. I tell the students to use at their own risk.

This week I introduced the first 40 inch long x 1 inch wide x 1/8 inch walled saber. This is the standard from Tim and Alex [Ultrasaber]
My comments about this are above. I like a longer blade since I am a tad short at 5 ft 11 inches. a couple of the instructors are 6 ft 3 inches with arm reach like MR. Fantastic, so I couldn't and wouldn't go to a shorter blade. I learned early on to fight one handed, so I get about 4 to 6 inches reach from that. I can also fight with either hand. I don't fight as well left handed, but we teach all 3 styles. Two handed [standard] one handed and off handed.

We do have a set of rules laid down by my assocaite and co-founder Master Smudge. I suppose I could post them here. Bear in mind that this all came from a standard Shinai class. I am positive that you can find them in all major cities. Find one....Go there....learn...take what you have learned, along with anyone who likes the idea of fighting with lightsabers and form your own class. This is what we did. Of course they called us nerds and such, but we don't care. This is who we are and we are proud of it.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

That would be ideal, Master Zhi-don. Obviously, there is no substitute for formal training under an accomplished master; I suppose my particular train of thought was headed toward a more unified-system of Lightsaber training..but the influence of different real world instruction infused with our different personalities would make for an interesting mix, and eventually, an invitational tournament(?)...

It's nice to dream...

You don't need to see any identification.

[LDS_Trooper]

One of my greatest weaknesses at the moment is a twisted vertibrae in the lower back. It affects everything. Sometimes walking is difficult and I do plan on seeing my doctor about it again soon.

That said, I am also having some difficulties with my current saber as its hilt feels awkward in many of the movements. I am referring to the Vader 2005 MR hilt.

Once I am working, I plan to pick up some pieces from Tim from the MHS and from there build a Stunt Saber (No Electronics) with which to train.

I wasn't certain if this had been covered or if it necessarily needs a new thread or not, but what materials would be best for a stunt saber blade? I believe in the Original Trilogy they used metal rods, and then switched to a PVC for the Prequels.

Thoughts?

"Do you know how to use that thing?"
"Yes. The pointy end goes into the other man."

[Zhi-don]

We have done some staged work at various charities as well as duels for entertainment purposes such as while in line for EP3. The shinai style adapts to lightsabers almost without any effort. Most of those who came to our class expecting just shinai or just lightsabers have learned that we are the sum of many parts. Many others with different styles have dropped by our classes and we have learned much from them as well. A wise Master once said that as long as there are students, then the Master never stops learning. Anytime anyone is in our area, they are more than welcome to drop by. I will post our basic rules here this weekend. I will also have pics taken of the basic kata moves and the solo practice moves at this sunday's class.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

I think that the general consensus is that PVC is your best bet: cheap, easy to replace, and will allow the balance of the saber to reside almost squarely in the hilt, which, if you think about it, would closely resemble a "real" lightsabers' blade (weightless mass).

But then again, I have been accused of not knowing what the h#ll I'm talking about...[:D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

We have done some staged work at various charities as well as duels for entertainment purposes such as while in line for EP3. The shinai style adapts to lightsabers almost without any effort. Most of those who came to our class expecting just shinai or just lightsabers have learned that we are the sum of many parts. Many others with different styles have dropped by our classes and we have learned much from them as well. A wise Master once said that as long as there are students, then the Master never stops learning. Anytime anyone is in our area, they are more than welcome to drop by. I will post our basic rules here this weekend. I will also have pics taken of the basic kata moves and the solo practice moves at this sunday's class.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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I, for one, am most appreciative. Mayhaps we'll meet in the near future. In the meantime, inbetween time...I eagerly await your offering.

You don't need to see any identification.

[james3]

Carbon fiber rods were used in the sabers for the Prequels. My advice is get Tim's blade and use the paint that was discussed before and you could still have color.
EDIT- Naashar PVC is great for the purpose I lost count of how many PVC sabers I built. I like the idea of practice with what you use. If the goal is to use a LED saber then in the long run using the same blade helps.
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[Mor-El Kesav]

Master Zhi-don, that certainly answers my questions about blade length. I'm was planning on building a 40" LED blade all along, so your thoughts just confirmed my decisions. I've researched the Polycarbonate blades Tim sells and I am throughly convinced of their strength and durability. I was taken back by the cost of the MR sets and rather preferred the idea of building my own lightsaber. After looking at the various sets offered I am a true believer in Tim's MHS and blade kits.

LDS_Trooper, given all of that I would say that you should probably build the MHS with the EL blade (for the color) and simply leave out the electronics. Those with more experience in building lightsabers than I might disagree, but it seems to me that MHS idea is perfect for your needs.

Master Zhi-don, I appreciate all you are doing for us here and I vow to not violate the principles you have set forth. I'm looking forward to data you're going to post.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by james3


EDIT- Naashar PVC is great for the purpose I lost count of how many PVC sabers I built. I like the idea of practice with what you use. If the goal is to use a LED saber then in the long run using the same blade helps.
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I stand instructed...hadn't occurred to me. Especially since that's what I do, with my MR Anakin. [:D] Don't forget to let me know when your cook out will be; I seek a lesson! [;)]

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

I would say about a stunt saber. I am assuming that you do not have a hilt already.

I would buy either the LED or EL MHS from Tim without the electonics. You can always add that later. Get a blade kit. Buy some nice shiny holographic paper the color of your choice. Roll it up and intersert it into the blade. You can always add the difuser and EL wire later or just the difuser for the LED.

Now you are ready to rock and roll.

If you do have a hilt, then get an empty poly blade that will fit and do the above. This works fine for a stunt saber. For thinner walled EL blade tubes we added a wooden dowel for strength and stiffness.

If you really want my expert opinion, then get a shinai. Cost is minimal and you get a good workout as the sword is heavier. We use those constantly for arm strength buildup. If there is anything else I can do, just ask.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[LDS_Trooper]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by james3

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Do you have any for sale? Or pics of them to peek at? I like the look of the one JediDad produced.. mind you, being PVC it can be any color so those of you sensitive to extreme color, please look past it and see the design. Nearly 100% PVC!!!
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"Do you know how to use that thing?"
"Yes. The pointy end goes into the other man."

[Jedi Master Hanh Plaenus]

I've studied and practice martial arts and meditation for more than 10 years. My martial art skills are not what I would want them to be, but I could fair well.

Meditation-wise, I was a Buddhist monk for about 2 years. I've taught meditation to many types of people with a non-specific religious orientation. Meditation on the "Force" is not all that hard.

The most important things in a Jedi Institution will be physical and mental conditioning, technical skill, and uncooperated sparring for combat.

[naashar]

Are the breathing exercises comparable to those found in Taiji practice? I've a strong idea as to what I'd like to accomplish in the formation of my "Institution"; some fine tuning is all that's needed.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jedi Master Hanh Plaenus

I've studied and practice martial arts and meditation for more than 10 years. My martial art skills are not what I would want them to be, but I could fair well.

Meditation-wise, I was a Buddhist monk for about 2 years. I've taught meditation to many types of people with a non-specific religious orientation. Meditation on the "Force" is not all that hard.

The most important things in a Jedi Institution will be physical and mental conditioning, technical skill, and uncooperated sparring for combat.
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You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naashar

Are the breathing exercises comparable to those found in Taiji practice? I've a strong idea as to what I'd like to accomplish in the formation of my "Institution"; some fine tuning is all that's needed.
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Naashar (what ranking should I address you by?) I use the breathing exercises I learned while studying Aikido. The seem to work best for centering myself and allowing my enegeries (the force) to flow as I work out. Hope this helps.

I tried your suggestions of making measurements for my blade length and the length comes out to 39.75 inches round up to 40 inches. So now I am 100% comfortable in ordering the 40 inch blade. Thank you for your advice.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[Jedi Master Hanh Plaenus]

Breathing exercises are good. However, I think focusing on your normal breathing is enough, paying attention to how it feels. I've done Taiji, and in the more martial art version, breath isn't as important as you would think. The only important thing is to make sure you don't try to hold your breath.

Perhaps a little later today I will compose a simple beginners guided meditation for someone to practice. The most important thing in meditation for me is to make it my own, to trust my own intuition and just let go and let all things just be as they are.

[naashar]

Excellent. That's what I've suspected; I've found my practice to be more enjoyable and fluid when I'm breathing. I think the body finds it's own rhythm, if we get outta the way and allow it to.

Master Mor-El: The fact that you decide to address me at all is honor enough. Use what title you feel is appropriate, m'friend! [:D] Thank you in advance...but if I were to put some thought to it...hmm.

My "persona"'s back-story can be found in the following thread:

http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/sabers/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=685

In keeping with that, I'd believe that "his" homeworld's address for someone of his stature/station would be "Sai", which would be the equivalent of Knight/Master on Coruscant. I actually modeled that world's social hierarchy in my mind's eye after that found in Gilead, of Stephen King's "The Dark Tower" series. (Great read, by the by!)

So, long story, short (too late!): "Sai", "Master", "S#!thead"...it matters not. [:D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

Sai Naashar, You can take the man out of the Army but you can't take the Army of the man. In many situations I still have the habit of address folks by an earned title or rank. I think it shows respect to the accomplishments of the person and to the person themselves. I know that you are a brother in uniform, having been a Sailor, so I feel this ingrained need to address by a title. I don't really like "mister" as that is for civilians. So if "Sai" is in fitting for your character's history, then "Sai" it shall be.





"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[naashar]

Master Mor-El, I salute thee. Your graciousness is a beacon to all who study the Ways, Jedi.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Daj Nallig]

I fully agree... a Knight and a gentleman!

[Mor-El Kesav]

How can I be otherwise surrounded by Jedis such as yourselves? We treat others as we are treated, all of the posters on these boards have epitomised the Jedi way. Except for the Sith, those we have to destroy! [:(!] Or save from the Dark Side [^]

I have found a new community of gentlebeings who welcomed me openly, who enjoy what I enjoy that freely and gladly share their knowledge. What more can one hope for when joining a new group?

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[LDS_Trooper]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El Kesav

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If you talk to the right people, there are Twinkies to be had. [8D]

In all seriousness, this is a good bunch of people. One better would be a group meeting at Tim's new place once he's moved for an MHS Saber building party!!!

Settle down XWing, it was just an idea... [:D]

"Do you know how to use that thing?"
"Yes. The pointy end goes into the other man."

[naashar]

I'd buy that for a dollar.

You don't need to see any identification.

[GFORCE13]

Heck I would be happy to bring the Jedi Rations.[:p]

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[Zhi-don]

Gentlemen:

I had my sister take some pics with my digital. I will resize these tonight, then move them to photobucket to post here tomorrow. I am trying to arrange to borrow a digicam to take a few short movies to show the kata, solo and just a few of our group dueling. I will post a link here to these as well. Oh...update on the HMS saber balance problem. It was solved due to Jedi Loreen getting one of Tim's extension pieces. Balance has be restored to the Force...er....lightsaber. It makes a world of difference. The saber is no longer blade heavy. Nice!

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[informalmyx]

sweet hope ya can get the cam


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[naashar]

I can't wait, Master Zhi-Don. The Duel of the Fates will be looping in my head for the entire viewing! [:D]

I hope all had a safe and relaxing weekend.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Funny you should say that. A couple of times at class during line battles, we played that on a boom box. Very inspiring! We also used it when we stage a line battle with 6 Jedi vs 6 Sith at the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life. That was really something to see. I wish we had thought to video tape it.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

Funny you should say that. A couple of times at class during line battles, we played that on a boom box. Very inspiring! We also used it when we stage a line battle with 6 Jedi vs 6 Sith at the American Cancer Society's Relay for Life. That was really something to see. I wish we had thought to video tape it.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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You and me, both! [;)]

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

Gentlemen:

I had my sister take some pics with my digital. I will resize these tonight, then move them to photobucket to post here tomorrow. I am trying to arrange to borrow a digicam to take a few short movies to show the kata, solo and just a few of our group dueling. I will post a link here to these as well. Oh...update on the HMS saber balance problem. It was solved due to Jedi Loreen getting one of Tim's extension pieces. Balance has be restored to the Force...er....lightsaber. It makes a world of difference. The saber is no longer blade heavy. Nice!

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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Well Master Zhi-don, you just keep inadvertantly answering questions for me. Now I now that the ribbed hilt extension will do more for me than give me a larger grip area and look really cool on my hilt. I can't wait to see the films. You are indeed a gracious teacher and wise Jedi.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[james3]

I like to put the button at the bottom and add the extension. That becomes the battery area and keeps the weight well balanced as well as there is nothing in the way of the primary gripping area.

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[Zhi-don]

Very well said James!

It is also a nice place to put the covertech button. It will be one more day until I post the pics. I am truely not pleased with them. I really need a video to show the moves properly. One of my students was nice enough to pose with me for the 4 kata form and showing how they can be used on a stationary object. The delay was caused by my wife losing her job. I will endevour to post them tonight. My one fervent wish is that we lived a lot closer. This would make things so much easier. Sorry for the slight delay.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

No need for apologies, Master Zhi-don; if we are anything, it is understanding.

All will be revealed in the fullness of Time. Tend to your family; we shall be here when you bless us with the offering.

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Very well said James!

It is also a nice place to put the covertech button. It will be one more day until I post the pics. I am truely not pleased with them. I really need a video to show the moves properly. One of my students was nice enough to pose with me for the 4 kata form and showing how they can be used on a stationary object. The delay was caused by my wife losing her job. I will endevour to post them tonight. My one fervent wish is that we lived a lot closer. This would make things so much easier. Sorry for the slight delay.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

Very well said James!

It is also a nice place to put the covertech button. It will be one more day until I post the pics. I am truely not pleased with them. I really need a video to show the moves properly. One of my students was nice enough to pose with me for the 4 kata form and showing how they can be used on a stationary object. The delay was caused by my wife losing her job. I will endevour to post them tonight. My one fervent wish is that we lived a lot closer. This would make things so much easier. Sorry for the slight delay.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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No apologies necessary. The reality of working and your wife losing her job takes a precidence over the lightsaber classes and posting on these forums. I hope your wife can land a better job soonest.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[naashar]

Gents:

Hope all is well; or at the very least, better than they were last time you checked! [:D]

So, I put together a bit of an oxymoron: my own kata of spins! It incorporates all of the techniques illustrated on the link what inspired this thread.

Went through it for about an hour and a half (continuously) with my MRFFX Anakin ROTS. I'd really like to try it with the Luke ROTJ; it seems the Anakin, what with its sharp corners and all, tends to bite.[:0] I can see why Hayden wore gloves...
**Edit: it seems necessity is the mother of invention. I've really got to convert that bad boy to LED, and quick! Also, I've gotta switch the..well.."switch", and I think I'd really like to have a 37-38" blade. 36 at the shortest. I believe these converts will sew up this hilt's functionality as well as its asthetic quality.

Public service announcement, duly served![;)][:D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

Fellow Jedis, I have GOT to order my parts and build that Obi Wan variant. The Graflex switch on the Hasbro blade I'm using right now has convinced me that my hilt will NOT have one of those blasted switches on it. I need a much longer blade (40 inches) and a heavier, sturdier hilt. All I'm waiting on is the Obi Wan Emitter Heads.

TIM! Put the pressure on the manufacturer dude. I need to get my lightsaber built. I have the bucks set aside with YOUR name on them! How's the head doing?

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[Zhi-don]

Another slight delay. I spent the evening undoing the braids from my wife's hair. Yeah, I know I'm whipped. She's been a little twitchy since she lost her job, so I have to placate her somehow. My sister and I spent 3 hours on it. Whew! Lightsaber class tonight, so I can't do anything else. I did find that my camera will do video, and Lori[Jedi Loreen] said I can use her site to post it. Unfortunately I won't be able to do this for 3 weeks. This Sunday is Mother's day and next Sunday I will be out of town. So the following Sunday I will video the kata and solo and ask Lori to post it, so we should have it to view by the end of the month for certain. Thank you for being patient.

Oh...the MR sabers use a 36 inch blade, do they not? I prefer a 40, cause everyone else in class is using one. My first purchased lightsaber [a Parks Rogue] had this control box right were I needed to grip. I removed the nasty bugger and installed a matching plate cut from [what else] a sink pipe. I then installed what I call a negative on/positive off switch[see my comments under switches on another thread] further back on the hilt after removing the emitter assembly and shortening it by about 2 inches to make room for said switch. My own handmade ones always had push button switch. I am presently [nobody tell Jeff] rebuilding my parks Arcwave into something resembling my prototype [see pics below] saber. First thing to go was that pesky control box.



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I am currently getting together everything I need to have this saber built using LED and MR sound.



Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

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Oh...the MR sabers use a 36 inch blade, do they not?
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I measured mine last eve; came out to 33-34 inches. The exposed portion, anyway. That length is pretty good for exhibition purposes, but to duel, I think I may need a slightly longer blade. Not by much, though.

Meanwhile, my trapezoids are killing me! The adrenaline from having created something must've numbed me.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Ah...I was measuring the removed blade. Hope you feel better. I too always get a rush from creating something with my own two hands. Even if I do it from parts.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[Mor-El Kesav]

Master Zhi-Don, how is your wife doing on the job search? That is a sharp looking pommel. How long is it? I have rather large hands and I'm finding I need a larger than average pommel to comfortably place two hands on it at the same time. I figure the standard modular hilt with the ribbed extension is just about right for me.

Sai naashar, are you streching before AND after your exercises? The after-exercise stretches during your "cool down" will allow those trapezoids to relax and not hurt so much later. With me it has been me deltoids and the shoulder joints in general. I'm using bio-freeze gel after the work outs and that stuff is great. It comes in a roll on so I don't have to get my hands all contaminated with the stuff when I apply it.

I have found over the last two weeks that my velocities are faster, my grip is stronger, and my control is better. I can't believe how good this exercise routine is turning out to be for me. I should have started this YEARS ago!

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[naashar]

Ah. The all important Post-Stretch. It seems the adrenaline had dulled both my physical and mental faculties. In my haste to move on to the remainder of my day, I neglected to Finish before i Began Anew.

Master Mor-El, I thank thee for the lesson.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

We had a slight problem in class last night. We have an instructor [old school] who is teaching students both his own and the classes. He is stressing overhead attacks. This is not allowed in our class due to heads shots being forbidden. We told him that he had to cease and desist. He informed us that it was just to build upper arm strength. We relented somewhat, but gave him notice that if he or one of his students made repeated headshots that he would be asked to discontinue this type of training. Part of the reason we asked him to stop was that our students, like puppies, tend to copy and imitate what they see. We stress safe dueling and try to avoid any potential problems we might see. This of course, did not make him a happy camper. Class went pretty well after that. His students did not participate in most of the class, but did join us for line battles. Lost the tip off my LED saber about halfway through and had to go back to EL to finish. I've got to find a really good glue for those tips.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[Mor-El Kesav]

Sai Naashar, I had to relearn that lesson the hard way myself. I too was suffering the agonies of the "knife in my shoulder" pains until I remembered that I was supposed to do those post exercise stretches.

Master Zhi-don, YOU are the Head Instructor right? It would seem to me that he must follow the rules of teaching as YOU set them forth or pull patrol duty on the Outer Rim. His attitude is spilling over to one group of the students and that seems to present the danger of setting an adversarial attitude between the two groups of Students. He should follow the classes as YOU want them to be taught. You are the Sword Master for a reason.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

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[GFORCE13]

Damn Straight, a bad habit is hard to break, especially when you are learning.

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[Zhi-don]

Thank you Gentlemen;

I am Headmaster due to originating the class and being the senior member [the oldest person] We have other Instructors that are one, better swordsmen than myself and two more experienced. Somebody had to be Headmaster, so I got the job. We have a Master's council that consists of 5 instructors, this allows for a majority vote on issues such as the one I mentioned aboved. The decision to allow the other instructor to keep teaching was voted on by 3 of us. We will keep an eye on him and his students. After all, we are not running an Empire here. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Back on track here are the pics I promised. Again, I apologise in advance. I really do need a video to show things correctly. Neverthe less, here are the 4 point kata and 4 point solo exercises. Each starts with a ready position, so that makes 5 pics each. Note that I am using an MHS saber and my student Liz is using a standard shinai.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/kata1.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/kata2.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/kata3.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/kata4.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/kata5A.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/solo1.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/solo2.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/solo3.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/solo4.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e302/zhi-don/solo5.jpg

I will take the video as promised and post it here at the end of the month.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Master Zhi-don, I am most appreciative for the illustrated kata. I'm sure I'll soon have my own "form" in no time, incorporating both standard kata and spin kata. In fact, I've a few ideas now...details to follow. As to the point of the "headmaster" vs. "old guard", I see both ends clearly. As a matter of course, the free flow of ideas should be encouraged; no one wants to stifle another's growth, even if it is contrary to a prescribed method, and all stand a chance of coming out better for it.

However there is something to say about Master Mor-El's point. In my humble opinion, the honor of being named "Headmaster", even if given by default, should not be taken lightly, especially by those claiming to espouse and support your or an previously agreed upon school of thought. Obviously, you've already addressed the issue, both in your class and on the forum. I'm sure it's my own military background speaking here, where dissention and/or deviation can result in a phone call to somebody's mom ("Yes, Mrs. Smith? I regret to inform you that..."), but I was pleased to see the course of action you took, keeping in mind the well being of the General Body and the importance of its Opinion. It takes a level head to put your self and ego aside, view the situation for what it truly is, and be able to amicably move forward, having learned appropriate lessons.

To sum up, I applaud you and your council.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

Master Zhi-don, I have to echo Sai Naashar's sentiments on the instructor issues. I apologize if I came across harsh or sounded like I was berating you. Far from it, I was voicing my frustration at an Instructor who chooses not to follow the rules.

As Sai Naashar pointed it, my Army background reared it's head. I wasn't advocating the use of absolute power, rather I was advocating the concept of leadership & responsibility. There is Jedi Counsel and all of you vote on things, but one person must be the leader in the classes and that is you. If anyone, student or Instructor, fails to follow your directives then someone will get injured. There are times when a problem arises that cannot wait for the Counsel to convene and figure out a solution. At those times one person must have the authority to make & implement a decision. Appeals to that decision can be made later. You are that person in your Academy. I failed to articulate that point clearly enough, I apologise for my inadequate communications efforts.

Back to the subject of the Katas, those pictures are great and they are helping me clean up the flaws in my routine. Thank you for taking the time to post them for us. Once I have Mastered your techniques and incorporated them into my regimen, I will most likely open a Lightsaber Academy in my neck of the woods.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

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[Zhi-don]

*Bows*

Gentlemen:

Again, thank you for you kind words and insightful observations. My own time in the service [USAF during Vietnam, although I never had to go there] often comes into play during this and other times of need.

I'm sure that the problem will work itself out. If not then I, backed by the council, will take action. I wish that both of you excellent Jedi lived closer so that you could join us. Failing that I will always be here to give advice and answer any questions you may have. Also to learn, because as a wise Jedi once said, "Learn from his students, a Teacher always does."

Video to be forthcoming.

Have a great weekend and to your wives and mothers, "Happy Mother's Day" and May the Force be with you.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

And to you and yours, Master Jedi. I am truly honored, as I'm sure Master Mor-El is as well, for the gracious invite to join your most excellent Academy. I accept, if only in spirit, and humbly offer any insight and advice, both bidden or otherwise, as we all walk in the Light.

As I stated previously, mayhap our paths shall cross, and, Light willing, sooner rather than later.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Lord_Jyensba_Lalne]

*bows*

Master Zhi-don, I thank you for your wonderful contribution, but I do believe that Kata's 4 and 5 are the same picture.

I am 1/3 High School student and 2/3 SITH LORD.

[Mor-El Kesav]

Master Zhi-don, I would like it very much if we could all get together for classes, good food, good Jedi music, and swapping war stories. In the interim, look for a transparent glowing blue figure silenty watching the classes. That will be me, I will stretch myself out through the force to watch over your class. bows

I thought you had some military in you by the way you deport yourself. Now all we need is a Coastie and a Jarhead and we're set!

Master, Sai, have an enjoyable force filled weekend!


"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

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[Zhi-don]

Lord Jyensba Lalne,

You are quite correct. I copied that picture and coverted it twice. I have replaced it with the correct one. Thanks for helping.




Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[LDS_Trooper]

Thanks so much for the images.. I look forward to the video as well. Will you be showing both paired and solo?

This pic was my favorite...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c143/LDS_Trooper/kata2fx.jpg

"Do you know how to use that thing?"
"Yes. The pointy end goes into the other man."

[Zhi-don]

Yes, I plan on showing both on video. I will also do Velocites, if I can get my ex-padawan, now full Jedi Knight, to participate. I need to get more memory chips for my digital.

Oh...for those who are using the MHS saber for dueling, get the extension [either ribbed or plain] to change the balance. Otherwise the heavier 40 inch x 1/8 inch wall x 1 inch OD blade makes the saber nose heavy. Adding the extension fixes it. That blade is darn near indestructable. Well, except for the tip. Tim will fix that soon with a new poly one.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Gentlemen and Lady:

Welcome back for the week. I hope all had a restful and rejuvenating weekend and Mother's Day.

Oh, don't forget to post on the "Obi-Wan MR" thread in Misc. Topics. I know I'm tryna get one. Are you??

I plan to have a rough outline for my Form here in the next few days. Those that care, my birthday is tomorrow, and I'm accepting all gifts, MHS parts, and/or MR's. Oh, ok: I guess I'll take well wishes also! [8D] Talk soon, folks.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Thats a big negatori.....my prototype uses a modified emitter section based on Obi-wan EP4 and a modified grip section based on Obi-wan EP1 and 2, so I want MY saber design next.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

Thats a big negatori.....my prototype uses a modified emitter section based on Obi-wan EP4 and a modified grip section based on Obi-wan EP1 and 2, so I want MY saber design next.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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I understand ya fully, Master Zhi-don. I saw a design on Rabbittooth.com, Graflex inspired. I saw that, and a similar design has been floating around my mind's eye ever since.

There was a thread a while ago that had folks weighing in on their favorite saber design/color. Mine is the Obi-Wan ROTS, mainly because of it's spartan design. I look at that and think, "That blade is made for dueling!"


You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

My thoughts exactly. I posted my saber design elsewhere on these threads.

I was thinking about a 'hot rod' from the old days. You know they used to remove the hood and sometimes the fenders to show off the engine and suspension. I was thinking that Obi-wan's EP4 saber and Luke's EP6 saber originally had coverings on the emitter assembly like Obi-wans from EP1. They removed them to save weight and maybe give easier access to the 'guts'. What do you guys think about that?

Thats one of the reasons for my combo hilt idea.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Great Minds Think Alike! I had the same exact thought on the emitter shroud for the Anakin Ep3, as if the portion that "swoops" down to the lower part was strategically cut away to expose the emitter.

Scary...

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My thoughts exactly. I posted my saber design elsewhere on these threads.

I was thinking about a 'hot rod' from the old days. You know they used to remove the hood and sometimes the fenders to show off the engine and suspension. I was thinking that Obi-wan's EP4 saber and Luke's EP6 saber originally had coverings on the emitter assembly like Obi-wans from EP1. They removed them to save weight and maybe give easier access to the 'guts'. What do you guys think about that?

Thats one of the reasons for my combo hilt idea.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

I'm very torn on the MR Obi-Wan and designing my own hilt based off of the Obi Wan EPIII hilt. I don't like the power switch on the Obi Wan hilts, it gets in the way when I'm dueling or working out with the blade. I prefer a smooth hilt.

I'll probably wind up getting both. The MR for display and MHS for working out and dueling.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El Kesav

I'm very torn on the MR Obi-Wan and designing my own hilt based off of the Obi Wan EPIII hilt. I don't like the power switch on the Obi Wan hilts, it gets in the way when I'm dueling or working out with the blade. I prefer a smooth hilt.

I'll probably wind up getting both. The MR for display and MHS for working out and dueling.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

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Yes, I've found that the whole "control box" configuration for the switch is rather cumbersome. Interesting that you brought up that point, Master Mor-El: I've actually taken to wearing shooter's gloves whilst working out with my Anakin MR. Keeping in mind the placement of that particular control box (approx. amidships on the hilt), I would like the opportunity to workout with either an Obi-Wan Ep.III or a Luke Ep.VI (what with the lower placement) and a Mace Windu. I'm not quite sure of the switch configuration that it utilizes, but I'm quite sure that once I've had the opportunity to workout with the varied designs, I'll be well on my way to adopting my signature design.


You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

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Yes, I've found that the whole "control box" configuration for the switch is rather cumbersome. Interesting that you brought up that point, Master Mor-El: I've actually taken to wearing shooter's gloves whilst working out with my Anakin MR. Keeping in mind the placement of that particular control box (approx. amidships on the hilt), I would like the opportunity to workout with either an Obi-Wan Ep.III or a Luke Ep.VI (what with the lower placement) and a Mace Windu. I'm not quite sure of the switch configuration that it utilizes, but I'm quite sure that once I've had the opportunity to workout with the varied designs, I'll be well on my way to adopting my signature design.


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Sai Naashar, The nobby sections on the Obi Wan hilt are very hard on my hands. That is another reason why I want to modify the design a tad. The graflex type switch is on the lower 1/3 of the Obi Wan hilt, so it doesn't QUITE get in the way like the Luke hilt. I love the visual design of the Obi Wan hilt, but for my purposes I'm going to modify it.

I plan to have a much smoother hilt. I'll have a ribbed extension on the lower 1/3 with rubber "O" rings to improve my grip. The power switch will be up near the Obi Wan style emitter. I want a facet knob pommel, when ever Tim gets some more metal ones in, I'll use the ball type until then. I sure hope all of the parts come in soon, I'm getting the burning itch to build my Saber.

Master Zhi-don, the pictures have been of immense help to me. Thank you. I'm waiting for the film with as much anticipation as I am for the MHS parts to get in stock.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[Darth Cannabis]

Hail Sith and Jedi. Ive been reading through the thread and I thought I would comment. I have some experience in martial arts, though I do not claim to be an expert, I did achieve a 1st degree black belt in Chung Moo Doe (most people have never heard of it, try google)and trained for two years in Jujitsu. I have had some training with staves, fighting sticks, and sabers. I usually saber duel with a friend who was in my Jujitsu class and we get pretty rough; however, our sabers arent in that bad shape because we dont swing them hard at each other like in the Kendo exercise. When I use a single blade, I usually hold it in one hand like european fencing. My friend and I are on the honor system and count any blow to the hands to be the loss of that limb. If you are using one blade then you may switch hands if you lose a hand and fight left handed; if you are dual wielding you must turn off the saber you lost and set it down; if you are using the Darth Maul 2x blade then a single hit to either hand is considered a kill. Thats our system. We never try to aim for the head, but accidents do happen. No punching and kicking is allowed; however, we do allow leg sweeps, grabbing the opponents hilt, joint holds, pressure points, hip and shoulder throws, pretty much anything goes. We practice single blade vs duals, duals vs duals, single vs double-blade, duals vs double-blade, and single vs single. We havent had any significant injuries yet because we only require that one touch the oppenent slightly, it isnt necessary to swing the saber as hard as you can. Thrusting is a very common and useful technique and we often thrust with one hand for the extra reach it gives. The Darth Maul blade can be thrust extremely far forward. Dont get me wrong, I like the fancy stuff, but the dirty stuff is what works in real combat. I would not recommend that people get as rough as my friend and I, we were trained to take falls, but we are having a blast and I thought Id put in my two cents.

[Zhi-don]

Excellent!

Very similar to our class. I will post the rules for our class before the weekend. The shinai style of fighting [kendo with no armor] is very close to the forms used in the SW visual dictionary. We have found it to be very useful. We strike at speed, but pull the hits so they do minimal damage. You are bound to get some bruises anway. When one student complained, we pointed out that this was a swordfighting class. Expect to get hit. Pain is an excellent teacher. Learn to avoid getting hit. He got the idea. We do not allow thrusting. We have had too many close calls even by accident. We use only cutting blows. We also do not allow any body contact other than when locking up. We fight on an old basketball court and one could easily get hurt falling on that. Otherwise the same basic rules apply. An arm hit is loss of arm. Two arm hits count as a kill. Same for leg hits. Kill zones are the following. Any main trunk area: chest, stomach. Shoulders and back. Buttocks and hips. Wound areas are legs from the hip down and arms from the shoulder down. Neck and Head hits are not allowed. Same for groin. If hit in your main weapon arm, you must switch weapon to the other hand. This pretty much sums up the rules. We have several instructors on hand at any time and use a marshall when doing group battles.

On the control box problem. When I purchased my first EL saber [The Parks Rogue] the first thing I did was remove that box and cut a section of sink pipe to replace it. I then drilled a whole in the middle section of the saber and installed a pushbutton switch. This was much better for me as I tend to prefer one handing dueling [this gives me about 6 inches more reach] over two handed. I am proficient in both and offhand fighting as well, so that was no problem. Because I fight one handed I tend to grip my saber just below the emitter, that box got right in the way. Once it was gone, there was no longer any problem. We always fight wearing gloves for 2 reasons, 1...most sabers have sharp edges and protrusions [thumbscrews, machinescrews etc] and 2....it really smarts when your hand gets hit. I prefer standard military grade leather gloves [from the surplus store] others prefer various other types. A word of warning...don't get gloves with too much padding as you lose your feel for the saber.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Gentlemen and Lady, Jedi and Sith:

It is my pleasure to return and see the thread still living! Yesterday was my birthday [:D], so forgive my abscence.

I find that the shooter's gloves are best for my purposes, Master Zhi-don. Imagine my relief to discover that I was not the only one to wear them! You can find these gloves at any reputable law enforcement supply store, or "cop-shop", as my uncle likes to call 'em! Anyway, the bulk of the glove is neoprene, for warmth and breathabilty, with textured fingertips on all but the index fingers for aid in grip. They're not so form-fitting as Isotoners (and far more masculine!), and not bulky as to interfere with dueling. They do have substance, however, and are quite protective. I highly recommend them. Mayhaps I'd be able to send you a pair (?) so that you may weigh in on this matter.

Meanwhile, my fiancee may be relenting (finally!). I received my very first Dremel rotary tool from her for my birthday, so I'm taking that as a good sign.

Good to be in your company again, Masters Mor-El and Zhi-don, Jedi Loreen, and welcome Darth Cannabis: as you can see, we are open to all who wish to contribute, and that, you have graciously done.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Master Naashar;

Those sound like wonderful gloves. I personally have never seen any at class. I would love to try out a pair. I wear a medium size.

A dremel tool is my best friend, next to duct tape. I have been using them since the 60's and find them invaluable. I still have some of the bits from my first dremel. These ones are really tough. I have not seen any like them. I am on my 4th dremel. I prefer the multi-speed versions. A very useful tool. You might, if you already don't have them, get a small pair of vise-grips. The type I use are needle nosed and much smaller than the standard type. Very good in small, tight places.

May the Force be with you in all you pursue.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Master Zhi-don, I look forward to becoming quite acquainted with the Dremel. I appreciate the suggestion on the needle nosed vise grips; I was already budgeting for a small vise, so I'm sure I can sneak those in! Besides, vise grips and I go way back, back when it was cool to have a bicycle and be able to do on-the-spot repairs, namely, chain-tightening. [:D]

If you are indeed interested, I invite you to send me a private message with your shipping info. I'm more than happy to open the "trade routes" betwixt our Academies!

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Master Naashar;

Those sound like wonderful gloves. I personally have never seen any at class. I would love to try out a pair. I wear a medium size.

A dremel tool is my best friend, next to duct tape. I have been using them since the 60's and find them invaluable. I still have some of the bits from my first dremel. These ones are really tough. I have not seen any like them. I am on my 4th dremel. I prefer the multi-speed versions. A very useful tool. You might, if you already don't have them, get a small pair of vise-grips. The type I use are needle nosed and much smaller than the standard type. Very good in small, tight places.

May the Force be with you in all you pursue.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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You don't need to see any identification.

[naashar]

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You know, they make creams for that. Salves and balms, too.

***sorry, couldn't resist! [:D][:o)][:D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naashar

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I'm getting the burning itch to build my Saber.


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You know, they make creams for that. Salves and balms, too.

***sorry, couldn't resist! [:D][:o)][:D]

You don't need to see any identification.
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It is actually caused by Sith-mites. These are little black bugs with hugh red eyes, little claws and pinchers that jump off Sith Lords. They feed off of the blood supply and put a toxin into your skin that ithces. They are little pests, similar to mosquitos, but the Sith raise as like pets [}:)] A good stiff dose of the light side of the force will take them out, just like the Sith. [:p]

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El Kesav

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I'm getting the burning itch to build my Saber.


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You know, they make creams for that. Salves and balms, too.

***sorry, couldn't resist! [:D][:o)][:D]

You don't need to see any identification.
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It is actually caused by Sith-mites. These are little black bugs with hugh red eyes, little claws and pinchers that jump off Sith Lords. They feed off of the blood supply and put a toxin into your skin that ithces. They are little pests, similar to mosquitos, but the Sith raise as like pets [}:)] A good stiff dose of the light side of the force will take them out, just like the Sith. [:p]

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

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Yeah, they're called "Cooties" in Basic.[:o)][:D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[shiky]

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naashar

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I'm getting the burning itch to build my Saber.


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You know, they make creams for that. Salves and balms, too.

***sorry, couldn't resist! [:D][:o)][:D]

You don't need to see any identification.
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It is actually caused by Sith-mites. These are little black bugs with hugh red eyes, little claws and pinchers that jump off Sith Lords. They feed off of the blood supply and put a toxin into your skin that ithces. They are little pests, similar to mosquitos, but the Sith raise as like pets [}:)] A good stiff dose of the light side of the force will take them out, just like the Sith. [:p]

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

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Yeah, they're called "Cooties" in Basic.[:o)][:D]

You don't need to see any identification.
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ah well then i have the cure! You take your hand, and with the forefinger of your other hand, draw a circle on the back of it, then do it again right next to it. Now this is the important part... push your finger in the middle of each circle to make a "dot". While doing this you MUST speak these words aloud.
"Circle Circle, Dot Dot, Now i have the cootie shot!"
[:D][;)][:o)]
couldnt resist.... 12 years old on the inside, 19 on the outside.

A Jedi feels the Force flowing through him..

[Zhi-don]

I was reading this and felt a disturbance in the Force. I turned around quickly and found 'Dust bunnies' on the back of my chair, watching and reading. I quickly activated my lightsaber and cut them down. Be warned! You know not what you have done! Next time it might be 'Dust mites'! "They're here...you're next!" Spread the word..."Watch the skies!"...uh...I meant the ground.

*Mumbles under his breath*

Now I'm paranoid!

Let's get back on topic, shall we.

I recommend a horizontal slice with your saber while standing or sitting. From the ready position, blade held at a 45 degree angle, swing down and to the left, and bring the blade horizontal and slicing across. This should cut down the 'Dust bunnies' with minimal effort.

Thus endeth the lesson for today. [:D]

Hey! What's up with the cat? Put that down! Where heck did he get a lightsaber from? Look out!
He's gone postal!....."MEOW!" [:0]

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

It's not Paranoia if they're really out to get you.

You don't need to see any identification.

[GFORCE13]

Just remeber:" don't get them wet and most important of all never feed them after midnight"[:D]

So true, weapons at the ready.[:p][:o)][:D]

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[LDS_Trooper]

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Just remeber:" don't get them wet and most important of all never feed them after midnight"[:D]

So true, weapons at the ready.[:p][:o)][:D]

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I say order a party pizza for them around 1 am and then toss 'em all in the pool... who needs a training droid then huh?

"Its only a flesh wound!"
"Neeeeeee!"




"Do you know how to use that thing?"
"Yes. The pointy end goes into the other man."

[Mor-El Kesav]

We could re-engineer them into Force Mites and turn them loose of the Sith. One bite and they start eating donuts to the point where they are the size of Hutts. Then they'll be easier to track down.

Master Zhi-don, how progesses the movie? I had to reorder my visual dictionary. BANM cancelled the order on it, so I had to re-order it from another source.


"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[GFORCE13]

That is really annoying which Ep Visual were you needing?

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[Zhi-don]

He needs the EP2 visual dictionary. This has lightsaber trainig detail in the back part of it. A valuable learning tool.

I will do the video next weekend. I will then ask J-Lo to post it for me on her photobucket account. She has the video option, but I don't.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[GFORCE13]

Yes that is a good resource I know I have been studying it quite a bit myself.

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[shiky]

master zhi-don post it on Youtube, they are free.

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A Jedi feels the Force flowing through him..

[Zhi-don]

Thanks, I will check it out.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Hail Jedi, Sith, and Battlemasters Zhi-don and Mor-El:

I hope all had a safe and restful weekend. Ive another resource that I can't immediately recall being posted in this thread. If I'm in error and it has indeed, I extend my most sincere apologies:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fightsaber:_Jedi_Lightsaber_Combat


If it is new, to both Thread and You, please enjoy.

Master Zhi-don:

You should be visited by a white and blue Astromech (read: USPS deliv. truck) in 2-3 business days with the plans for the Battle Sta..er, uhm.."package"; please, post your feedback in this thread after a rigorous field test![:D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

Masters & Jedis, greetings. I do need the EPII for the instructions to continue with my training per Master Zhi-don's guidance. Amazon.com came through and shipped out my order early this morning.

Master Naashar, I don't believe you mentioned that particular website before now. I ran across it the other night surfing the web for more Lightsaber instructions. It is a very indepth article, but lacks the visual references. Fortunately Master Zhi-don has provided the visual references we need to progress in our learning.

I can't relay how much better I feel, both mentally and physically, since starting the lightsaber program. Soon I will have my CSS lightsaber completed and that will increase the physical workload thereby making the workouts more beneficial to us. I still need that Royal Blue LED to complete my order. I can't wait to build it.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[Zhi-don]

An excellent site. I have the same article from an old issue of the Star Wars Insider. It was the cover that got my attention, Nothing sweeter than a beautiful blue lady wearing leather and using a lightsaber!

Be still my beating heart!

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Don't forget to keep your eyes on the postman...

Interestingly enough, I ran across another post where another duelest (nyjedi) made mention of the knobs and such "tearing up his hands"..mayhaps I'll make the same equipment suggestion to him.

On second thought, I think I'll wait until you've posted your review; I'd hate not to have back-up on this![:D]

If you haven't seen them by the 26th, send me another message, and I'll duly track them...I've faith in our postal service, though. Neither Rain, nor Sleet, and all that rot.

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An excellent site. I have the same article from an old issue of the Star Wars Insider. It was the cover that got my attention, Nothing sweeter than a beautiful blue lady wearing leather and using a lightsaber!

Be still my beating heart!

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

OOPS! Missed your post. Just tired, I guess. Thank you. I will let you know when I get them. Dueling is forbidden in our class without using gloves. I wouldn't fight without em'!

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

OOPS! Missed your post. Just tired, I guess. Thank you. I will let you know when I get them. Dueling is forbidden in our class without using gloves. I wouldn't fight without em'!

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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Indeed, it is my pleasure. Show them no mercy; they suffice for my individual needs, but I'm curious as to how they stand up to a full-blown dueling session. Alas, I've no one in my immediate vicinity with which to practice. If I remember correctly, your class meets later in the week (?); you should receive them well before then.

Enjoy, Battlemaster Zhi-don!

You don't need to see any identification.

[nyjedi]

My Friends, it is an ABSOLUTE PLEASURE that I find this thread! Master Naashar, thank you for the link.

Masters Zhi-don, Mor-El Kesav, and Darth Cannibis, and everyone else on the forum, I love this!

NYJedi is my id on here, but the name is Flynn. I run nyjedi.com. Everything you guys are talking about here, we're doing in NY too. I built the site, originally, for the love of lightsabers (proud of it too, Zhi-don!), but it's turned into so much more than that!

We really are trying to put together a nationwide system of associated "light clubs". Practical martial training based on Lightsaber movements, with the added excitement of dressing up and creating a character.

And there are no rules to strict SW Canon on creating either. Your imagination is only bound to the subject of lightsaber fighting and choreography. My character is a Predator Jedi that uses two sabers, and wears an illuminated helmet. Therefore, his fight stance is low and uses alot of reverse sweeps, and Darth Vader style up-sweeps. But he is very fast. He's small for a Yautja, so he's not as bulky.

I've also studied Martial Arts like Escrima and Samurai Tate since I was 19, and Meditation and Mind Advancement techniques over the last 15 years. Teaching Meditation and Lightsaber techniques is about as much fun as I could possibly have! Watching people's awareness of themselves and their surroundings expand in front of your eyes is a great feeling.

That discussion link I mentioned about the Maul mauling my hands was here: Thanks again, Sai Naashar.
http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/sabers/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=664&whichpage=6
Yeah, I use my toys. The knobs got in my way so I just took them off.

Where are you guys located? If you are in New York area at all, we are actually having a get together tonight at Asylum, 149 Bleecker St. at 8pm tonight, Tuesday. Sabers and alchohol. Oh, could be bad.

Ok, enough happy hands! I'll shut up now. [:I]

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[Zhi-don]

Welcome back!

Unfortunately I'm on the wrong coast. Maybe someday I will go east and if I do, I will be sure and visit. You do the same if you ever come to our coast.

I spoke with Master Smudge. Rules for Lightsaber training will be up shortly.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[Rod-Wan]

So you're from the west coast than?

http://images1.fotki.com/v317/photos/9/917943/3581808/jotorsig-vi.jpg?22436
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[naashar]

Greetings Jedi and Sith, Masters and Knights, and Battlemasters:

Thanks to opened communications with NYjedi, I've discovered the following: http://www.fx-sabers.com/forum/index.php?topic=412.0

I hope it is beneficial to all; thank the Force for links! (li'l breadcrumbs, they are! [:D])

It was my pleasure to invite you, Master NYJedi, and welcome to the thread. We look forward to your insights and future contributions! Can't wait to attend a class or two!

You don't need to see any identification.

[james3]

Very good stuff, always nice to get as much information as possible.

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[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by james3

Very good stuff, always nice to get as much information as possible.

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We do, what we can do, when we can do it. [8D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Those who can....do,

Those who can't....teach,

Those who can do both are Masters!

Our class is located in Orange County, California near Disneyland.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

Those who can....do,

Those who can't....teach,

Those who can do both are Masters!

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'Zactly! [:D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[james3]

Wife says I am a Master of http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Dadof3/bsflag.gif

Does that count?[:D]

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[naashar]

I would say so! You can't necessarily teach someone how to b.s., though..you either got it, or ya don't.

Trust me, we can smell our own!

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Like Blarney...either ya gotta it, or ya don't. I don't care how many times you kiss the bloody stone.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Hello again, m'friends:

I stumbled (been doing a lot of 'surfing today) on the following info. But before I share, please, allow me to frame this a-right with the following preface.

I can fully appreciate how our dueling has physical and mental health benefits, the ability to focus years of martial training into a fresh and fulfilling way to keep skills sharp, and how our actual practice with our 'sabers deepens our connection to SW and to each other, but I, for one, fully plan to commit my skill (once fully developed) to film; I'm quite certain that the love of swashbuckling and the like doesn't start and end with Star Wars. I, for one, picked it up after I watched "The Princess Bride"; one of the better duels I've seen, ever (ani and obi notwithstanding), and my love for Shaw Brothers' classics knows no bounds. It just seems my impetus to fully internalize, and by extension, express my love for this millieu (buildin' and usin') was crystallized with Ep. I thru III. I say all that to say...

...I fully plan to make or be a part of a fanfilm. To that end, I actually found the following folks:
http://www.safd.org/regional.asp

The Society of American Fight Directors. I found it whilst "googling" Nick Gilliard, if you can imagine! This particular link/site will direct you to those trained and accredited to instruct Stage Combat in your area. I must admit that an ambition of mine is to become a Sword/Fight Master, and it seems that this is a viable way to pursue that.

Just thought I'd share![:D] If your time was wasted by reading this post, or if this is something that I'm late in coming around to, I humbly apologize...

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

NYJedi, welcome! This site is my #1 site. I enjoy the comraderie we all share here, as well as the lightsaber building techniques. I live in NC, which puts us only about 700 miles apart. That is a tad too far a meeting without advanced planning.

Light Clubs sounds like a good idea. Please keep us informed of the progress.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[Zhi-don]

We have those theatric sword training classes here too. They are a tad expensive. I was planning on taking one later in the year, after my wife gets a new job that is.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[james3]

Interesting indeed. Something to think about in the future for sure.

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[nyjedi]

Hello, my friends. And many thanks for the warm welcomes!

I got so inspired by you all, I updated our website with some footage from our last event, mixed in with some practice forms.

Please check out the training vids under Film and Video from our home page, http://nyjedi.com. We stored them on YouTube.com.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjNdhQsLh6A

Nick Gillard is certainly a fav! But unfortunately I can't hit that Link Sai Naa'Shar! Can you check it?

Chat soon!

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[Zhi-don]

That was great! You guys rock!

I will have some video soon to put up as well. One point. Notice how the blue sword bends when blocking? We had the same problem with our EL's. Try this with one of Tim's 1 inch blades. I did lockups with several people using shinais and it didn't give anymore than thiers did. Nice!

Wish you guys were out here, or that we were there. We could have a really good time. Perhaps someday we can all meet somewhere.

Keep up the good work.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

We have those theatric sword training classes here too. They are a tad expensive. I was planning on taking one later in the year, after my wife gets a new job that is.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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I actually called an instructor near me last night. It turns out that he works through the Baltimore Shakespearian and gives private instruction at times. His current class is going to start in August; we're looking at about 110 hours of instruction, covering Unarmed, Dagger, and Rapier for $500 (yikes![:0]). Something I may have to pursue after the wedding in September. The fiancee is tolerant of this outlet..it's gonna take a li'l more cajoling to get her to ok that expenditure. Maybe I can get you worthy Masters and Knights to help me out on a conference call!

You don't need to see any identification.

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by nyjedi

Hello, my friends. And many thanks for the warm welcomes!

I got so inspired by you all, I updated our website with some footage from our last event, mixed in with some practice forms.

Please check out the training vids under Film and Video from our home page, http://nyjedi.com. We stored them on YouTube.com.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjNdhQsLh6A

Nick Gillard is certainly a fav! But unfortunately I can't hit that Link Sai Naa'Shar! Can you check it?

Chat soon!

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You know what? I must apologize for the misdirection; it seems that our fav Sword Master is as elusive as a record breaking time on the Kessel Run (like how I tied that in? [:D]). I actually found it while looking for the book <u>Swashbuckling: A Step by Step Guide to The Art of Stage Combat & Theatrical Swordplay</u> by Richard Lane. Anyway, I found that Mr. Lane studied at the Academy of The Sword (google search), and through that site (whew!), I found the SADF.

Again, I apologize. It's said that it takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, but it takes an even bigger man to laugh at that man.

Anyway, Master NYJedi: Oh. My. Goodness. You know not what you do, what with your video posting! Between my spin kata, the form-correcting techniques posted by Master Zhi-don, and now your illustration of the 5's, 6's, and 8's, you've inadvertantly given me the tools to take my technique to the next level! In all humility, thank you. *bows*

Master Zhi-don: Have you recieved the package yet? I'm just curious as to your thoughts, and I like to follow up on promises I make.

Ok, gentlemen. I know I was a bit long-winded; I thank you for your patience.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Master Naashar;

I did indeed receive your package yesterday. Although I had to deal with an attempted theft in the process of obtaining them. Apparently my wife liked them a little too much and tried to appropriate them. A wave of my hand and the words, "These are not the gloves you're looking for.", eliminated this problem. Gloves fit great and I am looking forward to trying them out this weekend. Thank you very much for the gift of them.


Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

Master Naashar;

I did indeed receive your package yesterday. Although I had to deal with an attempted theft in the process of obtaining them. Apparently my wife liked them a little too much and tried to appropriate them. A wave of my hand and the words, "These are not the gloves you're looking for.", eliminated this problem. Gloves fit great and I am looking forward to trying them out this weekend. Thank you very much for the gift of them.


Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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Master Zhi-don, it was, and is, my extreme pleasure! I'm glad that the fit is adequate and that they are aesthetically pleasing (to the missus, at the very least!); I only hope their functionality matches my enthusiasm for plugging them!

Again, I hope that this is only the beginning of beneficial relations betwixt our Academies. If there is anything I can do, do not hesitate to ask.[8D]

I'm glad that the Mind Trick was able to salvage the mission[:D]; it wouldn't have done to send Artoo right to Governor Tarkin, right? If that happened, A New Hope may have only lasted about..27 minutes?

Enjoy, and let me know what you think...

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Master Naashar;

I am leary of synthetics as I have a love for leather [not the way you think...[;)]], but because of your high praise, I shall do my best to give them a goodly test. I am ordering one nicely made deerhide glove [ala Anakin] in brown for exhibitions. I usually duel one handed so I only need one. I am currently envolved with an RPG that was originally started on the Jedi Assembly RPG threads. The background story about how I lost my hand is due to to revealed shortly. The RPG thread is now independant of that organization. If there any here who would like to join, I'm sure something can be arranged. This is played similar to the PRG threads on theforce.net



Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Master Zhi-don:

As I stated, give 'em Hell! I'm looking for some good gloves m'self, and as those are the only ones I have, they've kinda been the default. So, in the hands of a seasoned duelest (no pun intended[:D]), the proof will be in the puddin'. Who knows; you may put me on to leather! [?][?][?]

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

I just ordered my single glove from:

ravenswoodleather.com

I recommend this site for any leather goods or Medieval clothing items you might need. I am a former member of the SCA and Master Smudge is a member of a 'live' steel group that does demos at Ren Faires in the local area and we have both ordered from and love these guys.

My single 2 inch sleeve brown deerskin glove in medium cost me $20 plus shipping. Not bad for REAL leather. Check 'em out!

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Very nice site! You can go with the gloves, Master Zhi-don; I think I may have to go with the Simple Gauntlets as part of my costume. Dyed a lighter color..visible (barely) underneath the Jedi robe..hiding some sort of tribal markings..oh, I've said too much! [:D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[nyjedi]

[:D]<i love talking about gear for beating the pulp out of people>[:D]

You are very Welcome, glad you liked the vids. I've been trying to get those done for a long time. Someone finally got footage in the dark of someone getting shown the moves. I loved it!

I would strongly recommend my friends videos on swashbuckling, staff fighitng, and various sword techniques. Check out http://tjglenn.8m.com/. TJ's our senior combateer on the squad, and he's produced 2 DVDs on stage sword techniques. I have them both and they're actually packed with great stuff.

Ravenswood, GREAT stuff. This is a friend of ours that actually has period, Goth, and Star Wars leather accesories. http://www.ashtonomicon.com/gallery/index.php?cat=11
[}:)]

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[naashar]

Those are some excellent sites, NYJedi! Now, I may have found my boots...

Where can I find more info on the DVD's?

You don't need to see any identification.

[naashar]

Ok, Gents; here we are on the cusp of the Memorial Day weekend.

If it isn't too much trouble, I'd like to ask you to take a small silent moment at some point to remember those who have valiantly fought and died for our country, for causes just and unjust, to preserve our freedoms and our way of living.

Thank you, and be safe!

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

NY Jedi, I have bookmarked your site and will incorporate it into the newly formed Carolina Saber Academy (CSA). All of the material that you fellow Masters have shared will go into the lesson plans. Ugh, there goes the Instructor in me again. We're working on a duel that currently has 24 moves to it. We make a section, work it to perfection, and then add another series of moves. The whole thing is scripted down on paper so that we don't forget the routine.

I'm really enjoying this flow of information. Thanks to all of the Masters who have dedicated their time and expertise to these boards. Here is hoping we can all get together in the future. How about at the debut of the live action TV show?

Here is to remembering those who have fought and died to preserve our way of life. Happy Memorial Day to all of you and an extra bit for my fellow Veterans and their families.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

http://www.theclanmuir.org/Small_Jedi_Starfighter.jpg

[informalmyx]

mor i am gonna be taking kendo classes soon i might be able to help some if we can gather the CSA for a meeting. aslo i wanna talk about doing a site for us maybe your tutorials and guides for the masters and of cousre links to TCSS and maybe ultra and corbin

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[Mor-El Kesav]

I have server space to spare on a website I own and run. I'll try to set up a sub domain for the CSA website.

Masters as of this time:

Jedi:
Master Mor-El Kesav, serving on Yavin
Master Mor-Ah Baaur, serving on Yavin
Master Mor-Be Banur, serving on Tattooine
Master informalmyx, serving on Yavin
Master Mi Gin Gonn, serving on Yavin




"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

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[informalmyx]

Just Master Myx informal was just tag added from a freind

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[Mor-El Kesav]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by informalmyx
Just Master Myx informal was just tag added from a freind

"Many claim to have found serenity, and through serenity to have overcome anger. Such arrogance is astounding."
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My apologies Master Myx. Please feel free contact me via my e-mail account Master-Mor-El-Kesav@jedi-counsil.com for the file swaps. I'll see about setting up the website this weekend. I'm going to set a general area, a page for each Master, A links page, and I'm very open to suggestions for additional areas.

Masters Zhi-don, Naashar, NYJedi may I link to your sites?

MTFBWY, always.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

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[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El Kesav



Masters Zhi-don, Naashar, NYJedi may I link to your sites?

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I'd be more than honored..had I the requisite material![:D] lol No site for me just yet, but if/when I get one, consider it done, and Done.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Master Smudge has emailed me our Lightsaber Class Rules. Unfortunately he sent them to my work email. I will post them on Tuesday. Class was cancelled today due to Memorial Day. Video will be made next sunday, if everything goes well. We don't have a site for our class. I post on the OCSWS fan board. I can put up a link if you like.

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Treasurer/Head Instructor
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[LDS_Trooper]

How is the video coming? Or did I miss it? I hope not as I would like to use it as a personal reference for my own training.

Also, any thoughts on the lightsaber reference book from the RPG? So far it looks pretty good.

"Do you know how to use that thing?"
"Yes. The pointy end goes into the other man."
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[naashar]

Looks like I'll be waiting another week for the Glove Review, eh, Master Zhi-don?[:D]

Just as well; this will be an excellent opportunity for them to "audition" for the training video! However, if I hear anything about some sort of "casting couch", I'll deny everything.[;)]


You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

Master Smudge has emailed me our Lightsaber Class Rules. Unfortunately he sent them to my work email. I will post them on Tuesday. Class was cancelled today due to Memorial Day. Video will be made next sunday, if everything goes well. We don't have a site for our class. I post on the OCSWS fan board. I can put up a link if you like.

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Master Zhi-don, I look forward to the rules and the movie. We have formed the Carolina Saber Academy and with you permission will be utilizing your rules and training standards in our academy. Your wisdom guides us all.

Master Nashaar, Master NYJedi, any wisdom you can pass on to us will also be incorporated into the training program. As you can see, Master Myx has designed an excellent logo for our use. I have purchased the domain name www.CarolinaSaberAcademy.org In a few days I should have the CSA website up and running. Thank you all for your assitance.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

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[naashar]

Of course, Master Mor-El! I am at your disposal.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Here you go, the rules as promised. Specialized combat rules for circle, line battles and free for all to follow.

O.C.S.W.S. LIGHTSABER TRAINING CLASS
RULES AND REGULATIONS

GENERAL CONDUCT
All fighters must maintain a positive and productive attitude, any personal
drama, grudges or issues should be kept out of practice and off the
battlefield

All fighters must demonstrate good sportsmanship at all times

Successful and fun combat depends on the honor system, if a fighter receives
a legal and legitimate hit, he or she should accept the hit and move on.
There is no place for ego or bad sportsmanship in this class.

All participants (including bystanders) must refrain from using profanity or
other inappropriate language.

ATTIRE
Closed toe shoes must be worn at all times

Gloves are required for all combat (style and material of gloves is left to
the fighter’s discretion and preferences, heavy leather gloves are
recommended)

Comfortable “exercise” clothing with long sleeves is recommended

Costumes may be worn provided that they are not restrictive or constitute a
safety hazard. The instructors will make the final decision regarding the
safety of costumes

Very loose clothing {coats, dusters etc.} are discouraged as they make it hard to determine if you have been hit

Forearm bracers and shin protectors are recommended

Protective headgear and safety glasses may be worn provided it does not impair vision or otherwise compromise safety

GENERAL COMBAT RULES
No thrusting attacks (this is not a fencing class!}

No attacks may be directed at the head or groin unless specified in
advance {such as in a training exercise or as a part of a choreographed fight scene}

No “fly fishing” ( wielding of a weapon solely by the pommel end of the
handle, this leads to a lack of control)

Hits are calculated on a point system:
main torso (chest, abdomen, shoulder blades, back, buttocks, pelvis)- 2
points
Arms (shoulder joint to elbow joint for shinai/entire arm for lightsaber)- 1 point **{see exceptions} Legs (hip joint to toes)- 1 point a “Kill” is achieved when 2 points are scored on an individual’s body (any
torso hit or any two limb hits)

**forearms count as 1 point if using lightsaber rules or 0 points if using shinai rules (elbow joint to wrist joint) and hands-(it is assumed
that some form of armored gauntlet is worn that protects the forearm and
hands.) However if a blow is deliberately blocked by the forearm or hand or if an opponent’s weapon is grabbed during an attack, it is then considered a damaging hit and a point is taken

If a limb is hit, the recipient must behave accordingly and discontinue use
of the affected limb for the duration of the combat

If a leg is hit, hopping on one foot is not permitted as this constitutes a
safety risk the leg should be “dragged” behind

Two hits on the same limb constitutes 2 points

No grappling of weapons or hand to hand combat moves are allowed unless
specified for a choreographed scene {lockups with blade to blade contact are allowed}

POWER / STRENGTH AND SPEED
As with any martial arts or contact sport, minor bruises are expected.
Fighters should expect to “feel” the blows they are dealt. However power and
strength must be kept to a minimum
We are not here to cause injuries and strength must be kept at a level that
will not cause any undue harm.

A general rule of thumb is “do not exceed 50% of your maximum speed or
strength”
As a fighter’s skill grows speed may be increased provided it does not
affect the fighter’s control

It is the fighter’s responsibility to maintain control of his or her weapon
at all times

Any action that causes or could potentially cause undue harm will result in
disciplinary action being taken against the perpetrator ** see penalties**










MARSHALLING
The Marshall is the safety officer and referee in one, and can be identified by a yellow and black spiraled staff

A Marshall responsibilities are as follows:

Ensuring the safety of the fighters and bystanders (ensuring that bystanders
stay well back from the battlefield, and that no outside hazards to the
fighters exist)

Ensuring that combat rules are adhered to at all times

Aarbitrating any disputed hits

Signaling the start of a battle after ensuring that all parties are ready to
begin. The command is "We warned....be armed....begin"

No fighter may attack the Marshall at any time {the Marshall shall not carry or wear a weapon except the Marshall staff}

The Marshall must ensure that his presence on the battlefield is not a
detriment to anyone’s safety and that it does not interfere with combat
unless necessary

Should a safety hazard, injury or rule dispute occur the Marshall must call
a “hold” to the battle until the situation is resolved

When a "hold" is called, everyone must stop and not move until the "resume" command is given

The marshall’s word is final unless deemed in violation of rules or
otherwise inappropriate by the instructors

The Marshall is chosen before each battle and the position should be rotated
through the class on a voluntary basis

It is the responsibility of all fighters to know who the marshall is before
the start of a battle and to obey any commands the marshall issues.

PENALTIES
Should a fighter be found in violation of any rules, the following action
will be taken:

First offense- warning

Second offense and beyond- a “point or strike” will be assigned Any fighter that accumulated 3 points or strikes in a single class will be
removed from combat and may not participate again until the next class

Repeat offenders will be barred from fighting and may be asked to leave the
class.

Serious offenses such as unsafe conduct or excessive use of power may be
assigned points even on the first offense.





If a fighter’s actions lead to serious injury of a fellow fighter or
bystander, he or she will be immediately removed from combat until deemed
safe and allowed back by the instructors
(serious injury is defined as anything more than a minor cut, welt or bruise)


WEAPONS POLICY
All weapons must be approved by an instructor before use

All weapons will be inspected by an instructor before each class. If found to be unsafe, they will not be allowed until repaired or modified

EL polycarbonate lightsaber blades must have rounded edges on the tips

Parks blade tips must be well secured. If they become loose, they must be
glued down or replaced and the tips sanded down

LED lightsaber round tips must be glued down securely. If they come off during combat, the weapon may no longer be used until the tip is replaced.

Shinai tips must be in good repair

Shinai leather parts (tips, etc) must be secured with the original string or
with tape

Lightsaber hilts must have all components secured and firmly attached

All fighters must be trained and approved by an instructor before using any
special weapons

No projectile or launching weapons are allowed

SPECIAL WEAPONS

Double-ended Lightsaber
This special dual bladed weapon can be used together or separately {see below]

Florentine (using two swords,) Florentine is allowed in all line
battles unless specified. Florentine is not allowed in circle battles or
free for all battles unless specified.

SHINAI CLASS SPECIAL WEAPONS

Other special weapons may be allowed by the instructor on duty. These may include maces, warhammers, pole arms etc. These have been approved by the instructors and are heavily padded. Any other weapons or modifications of existing weapons must be approved by the instructors before being allowed in combat.




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Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Impressive; Most impressive.

I humbly bow before the wisdom, Master Zhi-don, and thank you.

You don't need to see any identification.

**edit: Didn't see the need to post this as a separate reply, but it is a bit related:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OPtXtHcc2o
It's a goal of mine to do something like this...one day. One day. [8D]

[informalmyx]

I like those rules will help alot

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[nyjedi]

I humbly answer your memorial pledges with a loud THANK YOU to all those who have fought and died to make our world what it is. A place that finally accepts fair venue for us to be ourselves, to the fullest possible extent, to which we not only have the desire of, but thanks to the Internet, Kinkos, the ability to custom order our own Nike sneakers of our own design, and actually have a text-translator allow us to really communicate with someone in Istanbul, we now have technilogical means to control the reality of our world.

Oppression of the creative-self is now out of style.

To those who remind us that we can become MORE than we can imagine. The souls who have truly been themselves long and strong enough to show us how to fully resonate in our heart who we truly are, so that our own smile would drown out a single hammerstrike on a bell at Notre Dame, making it seem dull. Without forgetting to listen to each other at the same time.

It was a beautiful weekend in NYC. I walked through Union Square to come upon a gracefull woman sitting cross-legged and meditating in front of this Statue of Mahatma Ghandi at 14th and University Place.

http://oscar.thetamusic.com/paul/pict/2004/ny/DSCF0029.JPG

I then watched a large crowd of people shouting and singing who were obviously not liking the state of the world/country right now, and having no fear of expressing it. Another group of Hip Hoppers and Body-Poppers making the beat in their head visible to the audience, with the simple movements of a torso and neck. And they all sounded intelligent. They were ALL sharing ideas about a better reality that all of us strives for.

And to those of us who step up to fight for it, even though mngt might seem STOOPID for going to war for whatever. Still it takes balls to step up to fight for an ideal.

The better place that those before have died for. That is my memorial. I thank those who have allowed and inspired me to be as powerful, creative, and as giving as I know I am.

And allowing myself to dance like no one's watching, even if they are.
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[nyjedi]

Wow. This is amazing.

I hope you all realize what is happening. Their is a mutual consensus that this training is valid, accessbile, and has a market. But the best part is that it's involving everyone's input and allows for variations on methods for growth of personal style.

The rules given by Master Zhi-do are awesome! Fantastic start to a great collection of knowledge that everyone wil be able to experiment and benefit from!

Although, I must say, I don't like using gloves with my saber. Especially my Darth Maul, so I might disagree with some of them rules. ;)

Oh, and I really must profess my absolute conviction in dancing and rhythm contributing to sword forms. If you watch Ray Park and his use of Wu Shu in Episode I, his forms are really amazing.

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[Melek Taus]

Can't manage this into a sched. Too much time already devoted to my Aikido, Iaido, and Jyodo training.

Melek

There is no light or dark...there is only the Force....knowing this...who dares to challenge me?

[naashar]

NY, it may go without saying, but I'm in total agreement. For the longest, I've been "dancing as if no one's looking (and w/o a partner)" as you eloquently put it, as I've never come across anyone with the Love of the Saber as I have. Fast-forward to, say late last year, and lo and behold: I'm hit full in the face by those that not only have the love, they Express it! And impressively well at that! Admittedly, it was a bit overwhelming, but I suppose that's how it is when you first are confronted by a dream-realization. Or, the beginnings of a Solidification, anyway.

Everytime I read an offering in this thread, or view a fan-film, or look at a spin or technique tutorial, I'm constantly reminded of a line in the classic "Shao-Lin Vs. Wu Tang": What they've done..merging the two styles..is a triumph of skill! I'm looking forward to more offerings, and my increased participation, in this, this very worthy forum.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Artifical_Lynx]

I didn't know that TCSS had a tutorial section I should go browsing here more often then. I already made 4 tutorials with the Darth Maul Double Blade on force-fx.com that's where I've been a bit lately but don't worry I'm still trying to plan out on building my own lightsaber. Oh yeah Ray Park I've seen him on tv on one of his tournaments last year in london. He's freakin awesome with years of wu shu experience that's why I think the best duel out of the Episodes is #1 because it's so martial arts based, after that it all goes down hill abit since it looks like more frencing than anything I want to see bodies moving just as much as lightsaber action. [:)]

"Lightness in body"

[Zhi-don]

Gentlemen;

I too am impressed with everyone's enthusiasm in this our 'sport'.
As a child and then later as a young man, I found myself exempt from normal sports due to my size. One of my first 'toys' was a Zorro sword. In those days they were made of metal with the tip blunted and rounded. Of course, I used my Dad's bench grinder to fix that. I spent many happy hours carving 'Z's' on the gates and other objects. Then I spent the entire summer puttying, sanding and painting those same objects. I made an aluminum bow in metal shop and then later cut one arm off and sharpened the other to make a sword. I found an old machette in the garage and used it for one. I bought old WWII bayonets and practiced throwing them. As an adult I joined the SCA and started buying swords and daggers. I had a broadsword and dagger set customized with brass plating and tiger eye pommel stones. Several years ago I joined the Orange County Star Wars Society, made my first Jedi uniform and constructed my first saber based on plans from 'Lightsabers from the big yellow box'[pictures of the final version of this saber are on this site]. Lori [Jedi Loreen] showed me the 'magic' of EL and I was hooked. Now we have the 'magic' of LED and who knows what the future will bring.

*Raises coffee mug* Here's to the brotherhood that we all belong to, may it go ever onward!

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[Artifical_Lynx]

That is so cool Zhi-don, I wish I had a big huge broad sword. I have 3 samurai swords and one of them is a sakabatou ( Reverse Blade Sword ) it's the only blade that works with defense instead of offense. The Martial Arts has influence me since a child and I have come this far in my training and now my newest challege is lightsabers. [8D]


"Lightness in body"

[naashar]

Here, here! *raises flaggon of ale* A toast to the Continuation!

I, too, have weaponry outside of the famed saber: a katana with and extended hilt, a tai-chi blade and a set of sai. Always on the lookout for others, but I think my search may be superceded by building hilts!

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

My first sword is a 52 inch Claymore. I made an over the shoulder scabbard and I wear the sword when I go to the Highland Games. Very soon I will begin the construction of my LED lightsaber. It is gratifying to happen across a large number of adults who enjoy the Star Wars genre as much as me. [8D]

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

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[informalmyx]

*shudders* i hate being referred as a adult even though i am a adult but with age comes the wisdom to change the future and the responsiblity of to see it done again [|)]

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[naashar]

There is a school of thought that subscribes to the tenant that it is not age, but experience from which we can glean wisdom..then again, I know old, unwise folks as well as worldly ones.

Personally, I think that anyone can gain knowledge..it is what we do with said "smarts" that shows how wise we are.

But then again, I have been accused of not knowing what the h#!! I'm talking about.[:D]

You don't need to see any identification.

[Tenric Starkindler]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naashar

There is a school of thought that subscribes to the tenant that it is not age, but experience from which we can glean wisdom..then again, I know old, unwise folks as well as worldly ones.

Personally, I think that anyone can gain knowledge..it is what we do with said "smarts" that shows how wise we are.

But then again, I have been accused of not knowing what the h#!! I'm talking about.[:D]

You don't need to see any identification.
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Experience + Knowledge / Truth = Wisdom (for the math conscious)
Experience and knowledge filtered by Truth begets wisdom.

though that is merely an observation of mine......

Reality often interferes with what would otherwise be an idyllic delusion.

[Melek Taus]

you guys might be interested in these sites

http://www.kendo-world.com

http://swordforum.com

Melek

There is no light or dark...there is only the Force....knowing this...who dares to challenge me?

[Zhi-don]

Tenric Starkindler states:

"Experience + Knowledge / Truth = Wisdom (for the math conscious)
Experience and knowledge filtered by Truth begets wisdom."

Here's my take:

Reality + responsibility + work + stress = Aging
Excitement + fun + laughter + play = Youth

My conclusion is that the real world ages you. The fantasy world keeps you young. So do your real world job, and then play in the fantasy world like I do and you will not age as fast. DO NOT watch the news. This causes stress, have fun instead. Laughter stimulates indorphins that reduce age.


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XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Which is why I only read the Funnies in the newspaper!

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Good man! That's the right idea. Don't forget to read real comics [although they call them graphic novels now] Play with toys too! I've been doing that for years. Maybe that's why they say I look like I'm in my late 30's early 40's when I'm really 54. Of course, I don't feel that old, so ergo, I'm not.

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XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

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Trust, and Believe: they've been a staple of my development. I recommend, for those who have eyes to "listen", <u>Kingdom Come</u>, one of DC's finest offerings; <u>The Dark Knight Returns</u> and anything by Chris Claremont. Some of his best stuff is through Marvel, but I'm sure a writer of his caliber has something for all to enjoy, even if it isn't of the "picture book" variety.

You don't need to see any identification.

[Zhi-don]

Good choices....I approve. What about Hellboy?

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XO RL Sunrider Base
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Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Zhi-don

Good choices....I approve. What about Hellboy?

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XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS
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Unfortunately, the only contact I've had with Mssr. Hellboy is through Ron Perlman! The concept intrigued me, though, especially with the whole King of Hell aspect (flaming crowns are very cool!).

Did you read Kingdom Come? Curious as to your thoughts...

You don't need to see any identification.

[Mor-El Kesav]

WhooHooo! I have finally ordered my lightsaber kit! One large problem, Tim is out of MHS main hilt pieces. I have everything ordered and on the way except for that. I got it at a 10% discount to boot! Thanks, Tim. Soon as the main hilt section comes in, I'm dropping an order for 2 of them. My son, in Afghanistan getting his combat tour under his belt, purchased a kit for my eldest daughter (Master Mor-Ah Baaur) who just graduated with her Architecture degree. He purchased himself the Darth Maul conversion kit Tim sells. SO, to cut to the chase, neither my daughter nor I can complete our CSS lightsabers until the hilts come in. [:(]

I'll be getting the website completed and posted hopefully this weekend. I would like to include all of my Jedi friends on the site, in a section I'm calling the Jedi Temple. Could y'all please send me the picture you would like posted on the Jedi Temple section? Icons are fine, just something to snazz up the page.

Many thanks to all.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

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[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El Kesav

WhooHooo! I have finally ordered my lightsaber kit! One large problem, Tim is out of MHS main hilt pieces. I have everything ordered and on the way except for that. I got it at a 10% discount to boot! Thanks, Tim. Soon as the main hilt section comes in, I'm dropping an order for 2 of them. My son, in Afghanistan getting his combat tour under his belt, purchased a kit for my eldest daughter (Master Mor-Ah Baaur) who just graduated with her Architecture degree. He purchased himself the Darth Maul conversion kit Tim sells. SO, to cut to the chase, neither my daughter nor I can complete our CSS lightsabers until the hilts come in. [:(]

I'll be getting the website completed and posted hopefully this weekend. I would like to include all of my Jedi friends on the site, in a section I'm calling the Jedi Temple. Could y'all please send me the picture you would like posted on the Jedi Temple section? Icons are fine, just something to snazz up the page.

Many thanks to all.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda


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Indeed! You now know the feeling that I've been floating in for 'bout the last 2 weeks! lol I got my #8 emitter (pricey, but worth it!), the ribbed ext, the mhs extension tube, the ball pommel, and the fem/fem tube, along with the blue led kit. This hilt, until I can order the sound package upon the re-opening of the store, will be silent..but I can stomach that! Once I get this thing polished up, woe to any Sith who dares raise blade in challenge![:D]

Master Mor-El, did you want us to send these icons via private message, or would posting a link suffice?

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[Mor-El Kesav]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Indeed! You now know the feeling that I've been floating in for 'bout the last 2 weeks! lol I got my #8 emitter (pricey, but worth it!), the ribbed ext, the mhs extension tube, the ball pommel, and the fem/fem tube, along with the blue led kit. This hilt, until I can order the sound package upon the re-opening of the store, will be silent..but I can stomach that! Once I get this thing polished up, woe to any Sith who dares raise blade in challenge![:D]

Master Mor-El, did you want us to send these icons via private message, or would posting a link suffice?

You don't need to see any identification.
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Master Naashar, have you been tuned into me with the Force? That is precisely what I ordered. Same Emitter Head (definately worth the price), same ribbed hilt extension, same pommel, same LED. Did you order the 40 inch blade and covertec belt clip as well?

I'm going to cannablize the sound card set up from my Hasbro Obi Wan blade, it works fine and the tutorials on the boards show me how to hook it all up. I'm going to try to add copper laminate to the Emitter head and I'm thinking about painting parts of the whole rig in antique bronze.

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[naashar]

Actually, my blade is 38"[:D], and I plan to just buy the clip set up from my local Radio Shack. My rig will be polished with the 1000-2000 grit sandpaper and liberal amounts of metal polish (but, gotta do the Nevr-Dull 1st!) and I think I want to experiment with the gunmetal bluing process. O-rings for the grip and the seams betwixt the modules (more like thin gaskets).

The dream is fleshing out nicely...

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[Mor-El Kesav]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naashar

Actually, my blade is 38"[:D], and I plan to just buy the clip set up from my local Radio Shack. My rig will be polished with the 1000-2000 grit sandpaper and liberal amounts of metal polish (but, gotta do the Nevr-Dull 1st!) and I think I want to experiment with the gunmetal bluing process. O-rings for the grip and the seams betwixt the modules (more like thin gaskets).

The dream is fleshing out nicely...

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I'm doing the O rings myself. What is "Nevr-Dull"? I haven't heard of that stuff.

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[naashar]

Ambo, if he decides to visit this thread, or anyone else who has had to clean "brightwork" can attest to this:
Nevr-Dull is a product that is widely used to remove dirt, water spotting and tarnish from metals, notably brass, copper, steel and silver. It comes in a blue tin with white lettering. The product itself is wadded cotton treated with a chemical; you tear off strips/wads and rub it on the metal, allow it to dry, then wipe the film off with a cloth diaper or other soft cloth. What you then have is a clean shiny surface. I use it to maintain my katana and tai chi blade, which I then treat with oil. You can find it at Chesapeake Knife and Tool; if that is a regional store, I apologize! Try your local knife shop at the mall; you know, the one that sells the Zippo lighters and replica swords. They should have it there. Barring that, auto or boating supply stores may carry it as well.

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[Mor-El Kesav]

Master Naashar, I have been playing around with color schemes in Autocad. I'm giving serious thought to the Bronze & Copper color scheme similar to the color of the R4 G9 astromech on Obi Wan Kenobi's Jedi Starfighter, the one he flew to Utapau. I've found the right combination of paints and laminates to create that effect. In the simulations it looks very, very nice. I just have finalize the patterns of colors. Soon my precious! Oh, wait wrong movie.

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[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El Kesav

Master Naashar, I have been playing around with color schemes in Autocad.
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I'm looking to do a combo of the polished silver, black enamel and maybe some gold. Nothing too gaudy, but something to make it more.."finished", for lack of a better word. I've got some ideas floating around, but the idea of the gunmetal blue intrigues me. Not for the whole rig, mind you, but maybe something around the grip or emitter area. I was able to locate a source for the 1000-2000 grit sandpaper; I may have to visit an art supply store for the add-ons. They say the devil is in the details, so I'm thinking of doing something that is functional, as this will be my primary 'saber out of all the hilts I plan to build, but increases in aesthetic value upon closer inspection.

You must be well versed in drafting and design, what with your AutoCad-ing! I look forward to being among the first to view your completed rig..if only I had that knowledge...

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[Mor-El Kesav]

My eldest daugther just graduated with her Architural degree. She is the Master at Autocad. I have her stand over my shoulder while I'm playing with the colors. She actually designed the Saber in autocad, all I have to do is change the colors! [;)]

Gunmetal Blue would look really good on the Emitter head, and if it were a functional lightsaber, that would be the ideal place to "blue" it. Protection from the heat and all that.

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[nyjedi]

Hello my friends.

Master Na'Ashar. Check out this color scheme. Cool, no?

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Slightly different view:

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[naashar]

Good day, m'friends:

Master Mor-El: I've actually begun the polishing in earnest. I also picked up some gold wire thread (!) and the black enamel. Quick question for you about the gunmetal blue: did you simulate the whole emitter being blued, or was it sort of a gradient-effect, as if the energies from the blade have blued the emitter over time and use?

Master NYJedi: Very much so! I'm loving the blacked-out hilt! It appears to be a Graflex/Anakin-type with pvc(?) accents; what's the script along the side? It reminds me of the blade from "The Last Samurai", what with the writing...it also appears to be longer than your standard hilt. My Obi-variant is looking to measure in at a little longer (2"?) than the Anakin, which I think will play right into my style of dueling. Serendipity seems to play a huge role in this hilt construction thing! (the dragon is nice, too, and i have that same practice tai-chi sword; Great minds think alike, evidently!) I also like the innovative rack you've built!

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[Mor-El Kesav]

Master Nashaar, I had done it all over initially but recolored it when I read your reply. I had tried fading it out to plain metal but that didn't look right so I darked the distal end of the emitter to achieve the effect of the blade have blued the emitter over time and use and that looked much sharper. It's wasn't too noticable, just a tad darker so that it looked like a well used, well maintained, weapons barrel. That seemed to give it a more authentic, not right out of the box, look to the Hilt. It made the hilt look like one that a Jedi Master has used for years but kept it in prime condition. It was a subtle effect but I thought it looked great. I'm going to try to export it to a graphic that maintains the proper colors and if I can do that I'll e-mail it to you.

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[informalmyx]

the pain of fun, I am in. today i started my martial arts training in Kendo with Master Don Ogle. i will be training modays, tuesday, wensday, thurday, and saturday. its my first day and i am already sore and all we did was the basic stances and cuts. well i am off to work seeya

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[Mor-El Kesav]

Ahh, the joys of a new sport. The pains I had from Aikido were worse than those from Karate. I was always used by my Aikido master as the demo-student. I was the biggest guy in the class, so he used me to demonstrate everything. At least I learned how to fall without killing myself. [B)]

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[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mor-El Kesav

Master Nashaar, I had done it all over initially but recolored it when I read your reply. I had tried fading it out to plain metal but that didn't look right so I darked the distal end of the emitter to achieve the effect of the blade have blued the emitter over time and use and that looked much sharper. It's wasn't too noticable, just a tad darker so that it looked like a well used, well maintained, weapons barrel. That seemed to give it a more authentic, not right out of the box, look to the Hilt. It made the hilt look like one that a Jedi Master has used for years but kept it in prime condition. It was a subtle effect but I thought it looked great. I'm going to try to export it to a graphic that maintains the proper colors and if I can do that I'll e-mail it to you.

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Master Mor-El, that's 'zactly the look I was going for; you must be Force-Tuned as well! I'd appreciate any graphics you can send me, but your words have pretty much verbalized what I was looking to do and the idea I wanted to express with this, my primary dueling hilt.

A Man amongst men and a Jedi's Jedi, you are! Thanks again, m'friend.

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[nyjedi]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by naashar

Master NYJedi: Very much so! I'm loving the blacked-out hilt! It appears to be a Graflex/Anakin-type with pvc(?) accents; what's the script along the side? It reminds me of the blade from "The Last Samurai", what with the writing...it also appears to be longer than your standard hilt. My Obi-variant is looking to measure in at a little longer (2"?) than the Anakin, which I think will play right into my style of dueling. Serendipity seems to play a huge role in this hilt construction thing! (the dragon is nice, too, and i have that same practice tai-chi sword; Great minds think alike, evidently!) I also like the innovative rack you've built!
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Thanks, Naashar! It was in fact a upgraded Anakin I got from NY Jedi's new sponsor, Galactic Arms. The hilt is longer too, like you noticed, but I'm really liking the extra length. The black side material is not PVC, but a grip-like coating.

Here's a better pic of that Rack too. Glad you like it,

http://nyjedi.com/images/sword-rack.jpg

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[Mor-El Kesav]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Master Mor-El, that's 'zactly the look I was going for; you must be Force-Tuned as well! I'd appreciate any graphics you can send me, but your words have pretty much verbalized what I was looking to do and the idea I wanted to express with this, my primary dueling hilt.

A Man amongst men and a Jedi's Jedi, you are! Thanks again, m'friend.

You don't need to see any identification.
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A touch of a very dark grey on top of the bluing will achieve the effect you want.

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[naashar]

Nice! What sort of "grip-like" material is that? I've been looking at alternatives for a grip other than your standard Strips-O-WiperBlade(<font size="1">patent pending</font id="size1">)[:D], and if that sort of stuff is accesible and easily manipulated, I may have a frontrunner.

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[naashar]

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A touch of a very dark grey on top of the bluing will achieve the effect you want.

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Thank you. I reiterate: the Dream is fleshing out nicely![:D]

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[shiky]

i would love to see this blued emitter... it sounds like a great idea.

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[naashar]

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i would love to see this blued emitter... it sounds like a great idea.

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I only hope I can do it like I'm envisioning, but you all will be among the first![:D]

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[shiky]

master mor-el are there pictures of your emitter with the bluing?

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[naashar]

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master mor-el are there pictures of your emitter with the bluing?

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I believe that he was going to post his AutoCad rendition, provided he could find a comparable 'port for the program's graphics. After some thought, I'm curious as to see how the dark gray should be applied (and, with what I should make said application![:p]). The directions that came with the bluing kit imply that the more coats you apply, the darker the effect is, which says to me that I can do the gradient, however slight, to the suggested area. Besides, this is something I want people to see upon close inspection. As I stated, the Devil's in the Details![}:)][:D]

Master Mor-el, we await with baited breath!

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[nyjedi]

I believe AutoCad can generate PDF docs. You can then open that in Photoshop and convert it to JPG.

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[naashar]

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I believe AutoCad can generate PDF docs. You can then open that in Photoshop and convert it to JPG.

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And that, as They say, is That. Good look on the info, NY! By the by, what IS that material on the the middle section of your two-hander?[?][?][?] The more I look at it from the different angles, the more enamored I become with it! I humbly ask for enlightenment...

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[naashar]

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Ok, now that's been done...[:)]

Actually, the past few posts lead right into this particular one..as I was designing my hilt, I tried to keep in mind my/my persona's particular fighting style and predilictions when it came to the details. In fact, Wikipedia's article on Lightsabers and combat had the following* to say:

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Lightsabers belonging to Form V practitioners generally have a solid casing either as a whole or in multiple sections for maximum protection against power surge deterioration, and a heavily shrouded blade emitter** to designate separate facets of the blade for either offensive or defensive purposes.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> <font size="1">*source: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_V</font id="size1">

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All that being said...[;)]
...how has your fighting style/training method influenced your individual hilts' designs? Did you take a real-world approach, as some of the hilts I've seen seem to reflect? An example would be a milled-out thinner section for those who are more inclined toward spins and the like. Or, like most, have you taken the designs put forth by the films as Canon, and done your best to emulate them without incuring the dreaded and almighty Lawsuit?

This inquiring mind would like to know...[?][?][?]






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[Mor-El Kesav]

Masters, I apologize for the delay. I'm currently passing a kidney stone and I'm loaded with pain killers. That is making it a tad difficult to concentrate. I'll get the picture out to you as soon as I get rid of this blasted stone.

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[naashar]

My goodness. I do not envy you, but I feel for you nonetheless. Speedy recovery, m'friend.

**edit: If it's any consolation, hearty congrats on your "knighthood", Master Mor-El![;)]

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[Madcow]

That's one particular asteroid I'd like to avoid! Get well soon my friend!

MC


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[shiky]

ironically, today i heard of a great way to avoid those nasty lil buggers... DRINK BEER. how awesome is that?!

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[informalmyx]

get better mor-el i ave heard htat they had a prototype treatment out now where they sonically vibrate the stones tille the start to crumble

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My greetings to all practitioners of the martial and Jedi arts. My sympathies to a swift and natural recovery from the ordeal Master Mor-El is suffering from. I've been on the boards for a while now, but never had much of value to add that others weren't taking care of faster than I. That being said, I'm supprised I hadn't seen this thread sooner. I am a student in Enshin karate in the Jewett City Ct. dojo, a former Marine reservist, and a small builder of sabers. I am also in the Rebel Legion with the AlderaanBase as an X-wing driver.[8D] My sensei had started a few of us along the sword path akin to Shinkedo, but as there were only 2 of us, it fizzled. So with what I've seen here on this thread, I think I'll be taking a solo (for now) path until I can reach out to others once my skills have progressed.

"They told me they fixed it!!! It's not my fault!"

[Zhi-don]

Greetings friends and fellow Force-users:

First, my profound sympathy for you, Master Mor-el. I passed 3 kidney stones years ago and found the first to be VERY painful. The last 2 passed easily. I gave up milk right after that and have not had any since then. They did not know what made them, but as they were calcium based, this was my thought on how to stop them. For me it worked. May the Force aid your recovery. Congratulations on your Knighthood as well. I made mine earlier last month and didn't even notice it.

Welcome to the boards, Master Erik, I hope we don't get you confused with my fellow intructor and Co-founder of our lightsaber training class. We will henceforth refer to him as Master Smudge [his nickname]


Secondly, I apologise for my absence from these boards in the last week. I developed an ulcer on the bottom of my foot and as a former diabetic, I am naturally concerned. I have been told that I have to stay off my feet for a month or so, to see if it will heal. This means no active training in my classes. My Co-founder and instructor Master Smudge suggested that I do kata from a seated position. This I can do, but I will have to put a lot of my life on hold until things get better. There will naturally be a slight delay in the video I promised, but I have not forgotten it. I will make it happen as soon as I can. Please send positive thoughts my way to aid in my recovery. Until then,

May the Force be with you all.

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[naashar]

Just a note of Welcome and Well Wishes to New and Returning Masters!

It seems the Dark Side is strong as of late; Masters Mor-El and Zhi-don, I wish both of you speedy recoveries. I myself am grappling with the Dark, but not on a physical level. It seems, though I am of sound health, dark forces of Professional Impropriety are marshalling their ugly heads![:(!] One of my pet peeves is folks in the workplace espousing Honor and then spitting upon it in the same breath.[V] Alas, we must perservere. To that end...

...welcome, Master Erik! I'm sure I can speak for the others when I say we're looking forward to your future contributions!

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[james3]

Well ya'll know I am not one for the eloquent words so I'll get to it.

Mor-El and Zhi-don I hope you fellas do well and get back to good health soon.

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[Mor-El Kesav]

Masters, Thank your kind words and thoughts. The stone is made of Uric Acid and I take allopurinal to prevent the formations and keep my gout under control. These stones cannot be destroyed by lithotripsy, this is the soundwave technique. They must pass a fiberoptic scope up into the kidney and destroy the stone with a laser. I have had this done before and I won't go through it unless there we have run out of other options. It is slowing moving down and hopfully will vanish completely.

Master Zhi-Don, as a heeler might I pass along a suggestion? They sell small "doughnuts" made of moleskin in most pharacies and in Walmart. You should put on some tincture of benzoin to help the moleskin stick, this is also available at the aforementioned stores. You find one that is bigger than the ulcer on your foot and place it around the sore. Repeat this with a smaller doughnut, and add one more layer on top of that. That will keep all the pressure off of that ulcer. This will help it heal faster and reduce the pain of walking.

Master Naashar, is there anything I can do help?

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[Zhi-don]

Thank you Master Mor-el;

I am blessed to have a Healer in my own house. My wife is an LVN of 28 years and is seeing to my wound. I am having a special insole made using the same suggestion you have given. It will be made of foam with a hole where the wound is. I will have to use a wheelchair [what I would give to have a Yoda hoverchair] until it heals. Hopefully I will be better by COMICON. I have to be there for that. If it is still bad, I will have to use a scooter like I did 2 years ago because of my weight. Since I have had surgery [weightloss] I don't have that problem.

Thank all of you for your kind words.

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Yeah, umm... What's with that? Why doesn't he just use the Force?

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[shiky]

i'm pretty sure he does use the force to levitate the chair, and it is only hovering because of him.

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[Zhi-don]

No...I don't think so. If he could do that he wouldn't need the chair. I'm sure its a powered chair, lifting the chair and himself would require more effort than just lifting himself. After all he is so old that he only uses the Force when it's important.

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[naashar]

Master Mor-El, the fact that you've successfully used the word "tincture" has been help enough![:D]

Please don't misunderstand; I'm a fan of archaic words and phraseology, so to see language used so beautifully has buoyed my spirits. Thank you again.



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[Mor-El Kesav]

Master Zhi-Don, you are in excellent hands. I too am a LPN, and have been since the Army trained me in Nursing 25 years ago. Here is to you having a speedy and full recovery.

Master Naashar, thank you for your kind words. I'm afraid that my Masters in History is rearing its multi-faceted head again. I also read voraciously, especially Star Wars and Star Trek books. That tends to expand one’s vocabulary skills exponentially. The mind is like any other muscle; if you don’t use it you loose it. [^]

Soon the CSA website will be functional, I’m in the process of collecting the appropriate graphics to enhance the site’s visual aspects. I welcome graphics and other input for the site. I intend for this website provided enjoyment to all Star Wars fans. [:p] Except for Sith Lords because, as Yoda states, “Destroy the Sith we must.” Just poking some fun, all fans are welcome to the site when I have it up and running. I will make a page for Siths in addition to the pages for Jedi Masters, Knights, and Padawans.

The Force is with you, always.


"Destroy the Sith we must!"
Master Yoda

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[Daj Nallig]

Sorry so late to this thread-work schedule and all that.
That said, Speedy recovery, Masters-we're thinking about y'all!

[Erik]

Thank you for the welcome. I'm no master by any means, and am honored by being addressed as such, yet I'll not accept such a title until I've a student besides myself. As we have rankings in Enshin,there is no doubt in our tests as to when we become worthy of our new belt. The need for belts seems to be for ordered purposes in our style. We know by speaking and working with each other where progress has been made, and once the belt is given in our dojo, there is no question as to it's integrity.
So too do I approach the lightsaber. Having never drilled in either contact nor spin style, I am but a Padawan with my senses and a mind to absorb all I can.
I accept the training of those appointed over me until such time I meet or exceed their level, much like I did in the Marines. Then I graciously accept their councel. Woe be to the student who becomes disrespectful of their teacher, or of the core beliefs of their agreed upon style.

"They told me they fixed it!!! It's not my fault!"

[naashar]

Gentlemen, I think that Padawan Erik will make a fine addition to the boards!

Erik, your humility is refreshing; even with your advanced knowledge in your "real-world" discipline, you know enough of your own limits to embrace them, not as weakness, but as opportunity to learn and for improvement. I, too, originally chafed at the designation "Master"; I actually prefer "Sai", as it is within the persona I've created's lore to be addressed as such. It is the fine personages of Masters Mor-el and Zhi-don, along with others on the board, who've seen fit to address me as "master" from time to time, and I assume it is because of our shared passions: to build and duel with this, the most "elegant weapon of a more civilized age". Those who are true to their passion will no doubt draw like-minded individuals to themselves, as we of this thread seem to have done. We here on this particular thread approach this topic with reverence and awe; Master Mor-El originally started this thread espousing the real world benefit to his health that 'saber kata, spins, and duels have given him, and not once, to my recollection, has he been ridiculed. We've all, in my estimation, have come away for the better having been a part of this thread. I've no doubt you will find benefit as well. Please, Erik, contribute all that you see fit when you feel the compulsion. I, for one, look forward to it.
Again, Welcome.

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[Zhi-don]

Gentlemen:

I suppose I have been a bit loose with the term 'Master', although Even Anakin was addressed as Master Jedi, once when he was only a Padawan. I suppose it can be viewed as respectful title, when you are not aware of the rank of the person with whom you are speaking. In the Jedi world a Master is one; a Jedi Knight who has training a Padawan to the level of Knight, or two; a member of the Jedi Council.

I personally did not take the title Master, until I had trained a Padwan and saw him knighted. I also am a member of the Master's Council for our Lightsaber Training Class, so either way the title is correct.

We have not seen [at least in the films] anyone address a Jedi other than as Master or Padawan. If anyone has any knowledge of the address for the rank of Jedi Knight, I would be interested. I am would suggest using the title 'Sir Knight' until we know more.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[Erik]

It truly must be the force, for otherwise I find it funny. I fell into Enshin because I was seeking a way to improve myself, both physically and mentally. I am not religious, though I am spiritual. My Sensei has to live his life in a wheelchair, and when you contain the passion and spirit of a warrior in an immovable body, the spirit finds another way to express itself. He has an eye like a hawk and such attention to detail as to make my DI's on Parris Island jealous. He also has a tremendous intellect fueled by reading. He recommended I read "Musashi" by Eiji Yoshikawa. Considered as possibly the greatest Samurai in feudal Japan, he was constantly seeking to perfect his craft, never accepting title or rank, ever. Perhaps that is all that is needed in life.
I also feel an affinity to "Sai" as I feel it would be a good society with Roland of Gillead and his Gunslingers. I remember the face of my father.[:)] We'll see what the force decides my fate shall be. Thank you for the welcome.

-Jedi Erik

"They told me they fixed it!!! It's not my fault!"

[naashar]

I believe that Master Zhi-don is accurate in his assesment. I've stated my preferred address, if only to show respect to those who have proven their mettle and earned aformentioned title. RHIP, and all that.[:D] I think the following shall light our path a little more: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi#Ranks

Of course, this will be yards easier if and when (stress on the "when"[:D]) we streamline our operations into a more accepted doctrine, one that we've all agreed upon.


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[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Erik

It truly must be the force, for otherwise I find it funny. I fell into Enshin because I was seeking a way to improve myself, both physically and mentally. I am not religious, though I am spiritual. My Sensei has to live his life in a wheelchair, and when you contain the passion and spirit of a warrior in an immovable body, the spirit finds another way to express itself. He has an eye like a hawk and such attention to detail as to make my DI's on Parris Island jealous. He also has a tremendous intellect fueled by reading. He recommended I read "Musashi" by Eiji Yoshikawa. Considered as possibly the greatest Samurai in feudal Japan, he was constantly seeking to perfect his craft, never accepting title or rank, ever. Perhaps that is all that is needed in life.
I also feel an affinity to "Sai" as I feel it would be a good society with Roland of Gillead and his Gunslingers. I remember the face of my father.[:)] We'll see what the force decides my fate shall be. Thank you for the welcome.

-Jedi Erik

"They told me they fixed it!!! It's not my fault!"
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Not too many folks know of Roland Deschain and his ka-tet, m'friend! I salute thee; that is precisely where I've modeled my "homeworld" after. The Dark Tower series has had a major impact on me, as you may have guessed. Thankee sai, for remembering the face of your father.[;)]
<u>The Hagakure</u> is also some recommended reading, Erik. I consider it to be the definitive window into the philosophy of the samurai, laid out in a form I'd liken to Proverbs.

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[DACOTA]

not to brag but the link mor-el-kesav posted,all those moves me and my friend can thourouly do,i took the saber style quiz three times two of the times said i was 64% makashi,count dooku is a master of this style even though i do alot of two handed classic jedi fighting i now realize i do alot of one handed moves like dooku.so it just proves the truth, my style is myself which resembles dooku.[:D]

"aaah general kenobi you are a bold one."-general grievous

[naashar]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DACOTA

not to brag but the link mor-el-kesav posted,all those moves me and my friend can thourouly do,i took the saber style quiz three times two of the times said i was 64% makashi,count dooku is a master of this style even though i do alot of two handed classic jedi fighting i now realize i do alot of one handed moves like dooku.so it just proves the truth, my style is myself which resembles dooku.[:D]

"aaah general kenobi you are a bold one."-general grievous
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Congratulations. It certainly is satisfying when you can track your own progress.
For advanced training, try to incorporate those spin kata with the basics of combat on the following tutorial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjNdhQsLh6A&search=jedi%20nyjedi%20new%20york%20Light%20saber% 20lightsaber%20training%20duel%20dueling%20star%20 wars

Thanks to NYJedi and his fantastic crew for the info!

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[Zhi-don]

Erik;

I cry pardon, sai. I too have not forgotten the face of my father.

It's seems we are well met here in this place.
Roland of Eld is a good example of how close we walk to the Dark side. It seems sometime that we walk the sword's edge. It is with the knowledge that we have such companions as yourselves that we persevere with our appointed tasks. At least we know that we do not walk alone in this place.

*Taps throat 3 times*

Thankee sai.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Hile! It appears our ka-tet is indeed well met. Fluent in the High Speech, and everything.

*taps throat 3 times

Thankee sais; I shall meet thee along the Beam.

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[Zhi-don]

Master Naashar:

Thanks for putting up the vids. Not too surprising this is very close to what we use in our class. We use the 4 point kata, with mods for personal styles. The 5th point to the kata, the head blow, we only teach the defense for, not the attack. In the middle ages, this same technique was used: Right flank, left flank, right leg, left leg, head.

We have several ready positons as well,

Padawan: [saber held in front of you at a 45 degree angle, primary foot slightly ahead of the secondary, body turned slightly and knees slightly bent.

Obi-wan: [saber held upright, primary arm bent at the elbow, secondary arm holds the saber off to the primary side of body. Secondary leg slightly ahead of the primary, body turned slightly and knees alightly bent.

Anakin: [Saber held overhead, point behind the head near the back. Primary leg slightly ahead of the secondary, body turned slightly and knees slightly bent.

Samarai: [saber pointed down and slightly to the rear of the primary leg and at 60 degree angle. Secondary leg slightly ahead of the primary, body turned slightly and knees bent slightly.

Dooku: [saber held in one hand, arm extended and elbow bent slightly. Primary leg extended, secondary leg at a 45 degree angle and behind. Body stance is sideways with secondary arm extended behind. Knees bent slightly.

I will include these ready positions in the video demo when I get it made.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

No problem at all, m'friend. I love the stances you've illustrated; very clever way to introduce folks to the different "forms" used by the Jedi of yore. Do you go further into the philosophies behind the forms as well? For example, do you illustrate how the Padawan stance is great for teaching blade-awareness (spatial), the Obi-Wan is a great starting point for defense and the Anakin generates a lot of power?

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[Zhi-don]

The mere fact that you understood this shows that you don't need me to explain. These opening moves are classics from the films and although in some cases questionable are all doable.

However you are correct in all cases.

The Padawan stance is the first we all learn and one of the best for two handed openings. Balance is very centered in this and control of the blade easy to maintain.

The Obi-wan stance is listed in the Visual Dictionary as a warning to those that you are a Jedi and capable of defending yourself if needed.

The Anakin is used by that character as an opening using a maximum downward power focus. A very aggressive move and hard to defend against.

The Samuari is used historically as an opening for use with a katana. It tends to lull your oponent into getting closer because he cannot easily gauge the reach of the weapon.

The Dooku is a basic fencing stance and the best for one handed fighting allowing minumum body attack openings and maximum sword arm reach.

Is that a little better explaination, my friend?

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

On behalf of the uninitiated and unaware, thankee. Another step towards the "streamlining" of the Operations I mentioned earlier...[;)]

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[Daj Nallig]

*bowing* Thank you all for that short discourse.
You are all truly worthy of the titles "Sai" or "Master" in the world of saber combat and I feel as if I had just sat through a class; much was given, much will be meditated upon.
Again, many thanks.

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[Zhi-don]

*Bows in return*

You are most welcome. All of us are students. As the wisest master once said, "The teacher is never finished learning. Every student has something to teach the teacher." Anyone who feels that he knows everything...knows nothing.

It has also been said, "When the student is ready, the master will appear." I have found this to be true. I find it amazing that we have so many schools of swordsmanship. At least one of each coast and more in between. I hope to welcome some of you to "Naboo" if you come to C4.

May the Force be with us all

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[Erik]

My wife and I will be making the trip from "Alderaan" for C4, along with about 10 others who are also from there. Our CO is psyched about it and all the volunteer talk starting to come from Ed.
Perhaps in a year we'll be able to get a decent group shot of those of us attending.

"They told me they fixed it!!! It's not my fault!"

[Zhi-don]

Sounds mighty fine to me!

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Greetings:

My dueling saber is nearly complete![:D] I'm heat-setting the acrylic enamel as I type; all parts have arrived, and I'm only lacking a soldering iron for the requisite circuitry. So close..

The blade is a full three inches longer than my MRAnakinROTS. I'm curious as to see how that will affect my kata, esp. the spins.

How does construction fare on your respective sabers, fellow Jedi?

*salutes Daj Nallig* Your praise is humbly accepted; it was truly my duty and pleasure to take part.

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[shiky]

yea ya know what? i bought a 38" blade, and it was just too long for me.. trimmed it a good 3 inches. I like it where it is now.

edit: i'll also more than likely be in for C4 with my mom, shes the reason i'm as geeky as i am... maybe we'll stop in or something.
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A Jedi feels the Force flowing through him..

[Erik]

Funny, I've made 6 so far, and none for me....Soon pehaps.

"They told me they fixed it!!! It's not my fault!"

[Zhi-don]

Still working on getting an actual saber made based on my prototype.

Problems still keep coming up.
1. Getting the grip section machined for the MHS
2. Either need to rebuild my Parks or get a new saber made.
3. Pommel problems, still need to find a way to use my prototype pommel.
4. Need an addtional section machined for the Luke emitter to add the spacer between the smaller sections on the emitter assembly.

I will keep all and sundry posted with updates as I can.

Zhi-don Aquintas
XO RL Sunrider Base
Treasurer/Head Instructor
Lightsaber training OCSWS

[naashar]

Speaking of construction issues...
the black enamel (or my application technique[:I]) seems to be full of air, as I've experienced the hardening of said air bubbles on the emitter after the heat-setting; the ribbed section seems to be serviceable, though. I may just go with the chromed/polished finish for the emitter, unless I can find a black decal much like the Luke-copper that are now available. Or, maybe I can make one...hmm.

Fully assembled, my hilt comes to a whopping 13.5 inches. A full 2 inches longer than the Anakin. That is more than acceptable, as it, along with my 38" blade, reminds me of my katana with the extended hilt. Then again, I have large hands, so it fits well. If I can find a serviceable grip for the lower hilt area, as well as acceptable accoutrement, this will have turned out to be a huge success.

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