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Cyambin
11-27-2005, 12:25 PM
Tim, you said that lime is the brightest EL blade. Well what about white? In fact, could you list the colors in order of intensity?
Also, do you use wire from LiveWire (http://www.livewireent.com/)? They claim to have the brightest EL wire in the world.

Strydur
11-27-2005, 01:42 PM
I never compared them all side by side. You can get a pretty good idea from the picture of the completed blades. They sell lytec wire which is what I sell.

Tim
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Jedi Ranger
11-27-2005, 04:43 PM
I have tried white, and it is pretty crappy.

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Strydur
11-27-2005, 08:56 PM
Really? I think white looks pretty cool.

Tim
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Jedi Ranger
11-27-2005, 09:56 PM
I was JUST looking at your EL blade pics, Tim, and I must have had some ****ty non-HB white wire. Your HB white looks WAY better than what I had; I may consider trying another white blade.

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informalmyx
11-28-2005, 07:34 AM
i agree espally withnew inverer running 18v my purple is lavender and is almost a pure match to mace

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Nightwing
11-28-2005, 05:16 PM
So how does blue look?

informalmyx
11-28-2005, 05:24 PM
i am gonna see i think i might do blue next

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Jedi Ranger
11-28-2005, 11:05 PM
Blue is SWEEET!!!!

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informalmyx
11-29-2005, 08:03 AM
strydur are you ever gonna carry orange again

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Strydur
11-29-2005, 08:48 AM
Probably not.

Tim
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Cyambin
11-29-2005, 10:48 AM
Could I still order an orange blade as a special request?

Strydur
11-29-2005, 12:50 PM
There is no point as it looks just like red and it is a pain to use since it does not come in the same size as the other wire I sell.

Tim
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Nightwing
11-29-2005, 02:26 PM
Jedi Ranger, could you show me a pic of a blue blade?

informalmyx
11-29-2005, 04:53 PM
styrdur you sure you dont have just a litle laying aroud so you can test to see what it looks like wiht new inverter and 18volt

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Cyambin
12-03-2005, 02:40 PM
so white isn't brighter than lime?

GFORCE13
12-18-2005, 01:59 AM
Here is what the Blue El looks like running on 12V.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c237/G-FORCE13/lsabers003.jpg
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Jedi-Loreen
12-19-2005, 04:07 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cyambin

so white isn't brighter than lime?
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<font size="3"><font color="purple">No, it's not.

I think Aqua should actually be the brightest, since the outer sheathing has no color and is completely clear, because that's the natural color of the phosphorus. Lime is next.[;)]

To make white EL wire, they have to "dope" the phosphorus by introducing impurities into it, in order to make it look white, since you can't do it with colored outer sheathing, like with the rest of the colors.

That's one of the reasons that red is one of the dimmest colors, it's hard to change blue-green to red using the sheathing.</font id="purple"></font id="size3">

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Cyambin
12-19-2005, 08:18 AM
Finally someone explains this [:D]

xwingband
12-19-2005, 09:26 AM
Yup, white will be the least brightest of any EL because there are so many coatings on it to get it to glow white that it's brightness is very low.

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Strydur
12-19-2005, 12:56 PM
Lime is the brightest and white is not the darkest..red is

Tim
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Jedi-Loreen
12-19-2005, 01:02 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by xwingband

Yup, white will be the least brightest of any EL because there are so many coatings on it to get it to glow white that it's brightness is very low.

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I don't know what you mean by "coatings". The sheathing for the white HB wire is completely clear. The doping material is mixed in with the phosphorus, there are no "coatings". Have you ever seen a piece of it?

The first time I ordered some, I thought they sent me the wrong thing. [:0] I had some of the regular white and it looked kind of silvery when not lit. The HB looks kind of pink when it's not lit.</font id="purple"></font id="size3">

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xwingband
12-19-2005, 02:40 PM
Nope, I've never seen white EL but it's just bad word choice. I remember that they have to add lots of some chemical to make it white. Is treatments to the wire perhaps a better wording?

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CrudeSword
12-19-2005, 06:54 PM
I have a question for people who bought a Park Saber and at the same time own a Custom Saber Shop's el blue blade.

Is the Custom Saber's EL blue blade are the same like the Park Saber's blue blade or it is the same like the aqua blade?

Is there a big difference of the blue blade and the aqua blade?

Jedi-Loreen
12-20-2005, 01:19 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Strydur

Lime is the brightest and white is not the darkest..red is

Tim
The Custom Saber Shop
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<font size="3"><font face="Verdana"><font color="purple">I guess lime is the brightest because the sheathing sort of makes it almost fluoresce.

I have a blue Parks blade. It looks more like the Aqua EL wire blades.

In my newer Fusion saber it looks bluer, but in my older M2, it looks more greenish blue, more a true aqua. Aqua EL color is more determined by the output frequency of the inverter.

If you look at the blade page in the Store, you can see the difference between the blue and the aqua for yourself.</font id="purple"></font id="Verdana"></font id="size3"> [;)]

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Pantsman
12-21-2005, 03:40 PM
Oh, hey, Jedi Loreen. I know you from the Jedi Council boards. Hey ho!

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CrudeSword
12-22-2005, 07:23 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jedi-Loreen

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Strydur

Lime is the brightest and white is not the darkest..red is

Tim
The Custom Saber Shop
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<font size="3"><font face="Verdana"><font color="purple">I guess lime is the brightest because the sheathing sort of makes it almost fluoresce.

I have a blue Parks blade. It looks more like the Aqua EL wire blades.

In my newer Fusion saber it looks bluer, but in my older M2, it looks more greenish blue, more a true aqua. Aqua EL color is more determined by the output frequency of the inverter.

If you look at the blade page in the Store, you can see the difference between the blue and the aqua for yourself.</font id="purple"></font id="Verdana"></font id="size3"> [;)]

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Thanks for the reply Jedi-Loreen. This could be a good respond about the blades. Well, I plan to get a blue blade, so thanks.

Mur-Pa DiLos
12-29-2005, 07:46 PM
Does anyone have pics of an EL lightsaber running at 18v? Also, Tim, on your gallery page with the pics of two lightsabers the same color together, is that a comparison between LED and EL? Thanks for your help. I'm still trying to decide which blade I want.

Luke-SkyMarcher
01-16-2006, 08:17 PM
Ok, I'm new here, and joined the force.net a little while back. can you really run the inverter off 18v? Would you have to worry about overheating, or would it just make your blade brighter?

-Luke

Cyambin
01-17-2006, 12:01 PM
Depends on the inverter. Tim's inverters rarely overheat, they just get kinda warm. And it would make it brighter, but according to GeluKhanGharr the brightest blade comes from a 12v power supply and a 4khz inverter.

Luke-SkyMarcher
01-18-2006, 08:22 PM
actually, that's kind of what I meant - can you do 4khz on 18v? or has no one tried it yet?

jedi-dad2
01-29-2006, 03:07 PM
I just finished rewiring my 4Khz saber to 18 volts and it is bright!!!
Not as bright as my Luxeon but bright enough to be seen in daylight. I will post a picture soon.

jedi-dad2
01-29-2006, 03:25 PM
Here are 2 images
18 volt 4Khz EL
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6708/dscf00258rd.jpg

18 volt 4Khz EL next to Luxeon LED
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6363/dscf00269tx.jpg

The Plague
02-20-2006, 07:29 AM
If you ask me I think the EL is brighter in your picture Jedi-Dad.

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xwingband
02-20-2006, 08:33 AM
And that's deceptive to compare different colors. Green is one of the colors our eyes are more sensitive to and the brightest of all EL. Compare a green EL to a green LED or Red EL to Red LED and you have an accurate picture. I'd also compare the glow the LED is putting out compared to the EL.

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jedi-dad2
02-20-2006, 09:19 AM
My only LED saber is red. I am planning on building a green one soon. The EL at 18v is brighter at the tip they are about the same in the middle and the LED is brighter at the base. I would expect similar results with the Green LED. The LED is a pure light source no matter what the color the most pure light EL would be the aqua and the lime. When I have my green LED I will post a new picture.

The Plague
02-20-2006, 10:45 AM
It IS deceptive to compare different colours of EL vs a different colour of LED. I was just saying that in jedidad's picture his el happens to be brighter than his LED. The colour probably has alot to do with that. I personally prefer EL ove LED anyway, LED looks like the old star wars comics while the EL is closer to the movies (ep 4,5,and 6 at least)

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LAN-ED-TUL
02-20-2006, 05:13 PM
but led looks like the movie poster. i like that glow just outside the hilt. look at the red/orange led pics i posted in the pics section. someone said it looks like a comet streaking thru the air. its bright enought to light up me holding the saber too. theres a couple shots where i am holding it, you see me.

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The Plague
02-23-2006, 11:07 PM
I have an old anakin AOTC fx saber that is el, is ther some way to make it brighter w/o completely tearing it apart(it's kinda rare)?
thanks

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Protein5000
02-23-2006, 11:16 PM
Also, how did MR make such a think EL blade? What's in it, and why can't we do it?

Less talk, more action........

The Plague
02-24-2006, 08:30 AM
What do you mean by thiker blade? Anyway they could have used the pading crap that they use in the newer sabers to prtect the LEDs. I'll take mine apart(carefully) and see how it's put together.

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xwingband
02-24-2006, 08:59 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Protein5000

Also, how did MR make such a think EL blade? What's in it, and why can't we do it?

Less talk, more action........
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Do you mean thicker? They used EL sheet I believe. That's what Parks does. It's a pain to get straight, sources are limited, not good for dueling, etc... not very good stuff.

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bazuka
02-24-2006, 11:43 AM
I actually had a thought of using EL sheet in a saber. I personally would use a 3/4" or 1" blade for the outer part, then a diffuser inside, and then the EL Sheet, then another, smaller OD polycarbonate tube inside the whole lot. My only problem with that is finding an inverter that is small enough to fit in the hilt without having to reinvent the wheel. I personally would think it'd work well.

Protein5000
02-24-2006, 08:50 PM
Ahuh, I see. I meant that it looks like a 1" blade, and most standard EL blades are 3/4". I wasn't aware that they used the film.

When I saw the Anakin AOTC and found it to be EL, I thought "why couldn't it be used for dueling", but evidently it's no good.



Less talk, more action........

james3
02-24-2006, 09:24 PM
I got the Anakin AOTC saber when it came out and my brother has dualed like crazy with no problem, I keep tellin' him to whoa up and get something else but it still looks as good as new as you can see from my son's b-day party this past Dec. I can promise you that it holds up better than the led chains on the new one's. (I picked up the Vader and Anakin EP III that morning)

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xwingband
02-24-2006, 10:10 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Protein5000

Ahuh, I see. I meant that it looks like a 1" blade, and most standard EL blades are 3/4". I wasn't aware that they used the film.

When I saw the Anakin AOTC and found it to be EL, I thought "why couldn't it be used for dueling", but evidently it's no good.



Less talk, more action........
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Well I guess it depends on how hard you duel but EL sheet has a pension for having gaps at the edges when you duel too much. That's why parks offers extra blades.[;)] It starts to curl at the edge and look ugly.

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james3
04-25-2006, 07:44 AM
I know it's old but I don't remember doing a side by side with the same color so here goes:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Dadof3/HPIM0929.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e370/Dadof3/HPIM0931.jpg
the EL is running on 12 volts and I am going to do a 18 volt here in a bit so we can see if there is any difference.

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Do-Clo
04-25-2006, 08:36 AM
Nice pic, even thought the led over powers the el, the el still looks good[8D]

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informalmyx
04-25-2006, 08:44 AM
nice yeah 18volt is bright mine is about as bright as a mr unconverted

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jedijohnson
04-25-2006, 09:53 AM
nice comparison,

I think the El looks pretty equal overall. Its only the first 3 to 4 inches of the LEd blade that really stands out. And what stands out appears more white than it does green

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Sabermaniac
04-29-2006, 02:33 PM
<font color="green"><font face="Andale Mono">Is the EL wire you buy for 48 cents a foot the stuff that lights up? I'm kinda stupid.</font id="Andale Mono"></font id="green">
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Sabermaniac
04-29-2006, 02:35 PM
I am confused about EL blades. I want a yellow lightsaber, but how do I make one? Can anyone give me instructions?

xwingband
04-29-2006, 02:51 PM
Hi! Welcome to the TCSS. You may benefit from reading the Intro to begginers on the front page of the site. The FAQ and Thread Index in my signature might help too.[;)] There are also tutorials found in the forums if you scroll down. All you need is here just search.[:)]

The 48cent per foot tubing is the diffuser material. It hides the EL wire which is what makes it glow (that's the $1.40 per foot stuff).

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Lord_Jyensba_Lalne
04-29-2006, 07:23 PM
I'm gonna have my saber running on 18 volts, and I was wondering if I should get Blue or Aqua EL wire. THanks.

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xwingband
04-29-2006, 07:38 PM
Which color do you like more? Aqua runs brighter... otherwise pick which color you like.

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james3
04-30-2006, 05:08 AM
Just keep in mind that at 18 volts you give up a lot of lifespan for a minimal increase in brightness. A TCSS inverter with a 8AA or AAA pack is really tough to beat since the whole shebang is optimized at 12 volts.

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informalmyx
04-30-2006, 01:21 PM
james is right my saber chews up 9v batteries like candy and that is 6 bucks a shot go witth a 12volt system for brightness if ya can

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