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Raphael
07-13-2009, 07:33 AM
Hello everyone, I'm making my first Lightsaber with a Luxeon 3 Star but there is something that still a mistery for me...
How does a screw can retain the blade?
Could you explain me how we do a blade retainer?
I'm going to do some Duels with it so it must keep the blade well...
Thank you and please, could you use simple words...I'm French : )Bye

Jay-gon Jinn
07-13-2009, 07:43 AM
It applies pressure to the blade on the opposite side on the blade socket, like any other type of set-screw would. It works just fine, people have been doing it that way for years now.

vargose
07-13-2009, 07:45 AM
A retension screw will work just fine. Put the blade in the blade holder, and tighten the retension screw. That puts force on the blade to hold it in place. See this thread http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=6430

Welcome to the forum. Start by reading
http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=6430
http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=2547
http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=7290
http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=326
http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=553
http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=2025

Raphael
07-13-2009, 07:56 AM
Thanks you very much...I think i'm Beginning to understand but, how could the screw can stay in place in the hole if we give a Big ...Shock on the blade, how the screw can stay in the Saber?

vargose
07-13-2009, 08:05 AM
Trust us, it works. Most everyone here duels, and no problems.

Raphael
07-13-2009, 08:38 AM
Okay well..Merci ! ^^

Invisas1979
07-14-2009, 03:20 PM
Hello everyone, I'm making my first Lightsaber with a Luxeon 3 Star but there is something that still a mistery for me...
How does a screw can retain the blade?
Could you explain me how we do a blade retainer?
I'm going to do some Duels with it so it must keep the blade well...
Thank you and please, could you use simple words...I'm French : )Bye


So it's a bit more clear from what the others have said. The reason the screw stays in place and you can tighten it agains the blade is because you create a thread within the blade holder using a tap and tap handle. If you don't know what a tap is google taps and dies.

Hope that helps a bit more.

Jedi-Loreen
07-14-2009, 11:39 PM
It all works with FRICTION

Raphael
07-15-2009, 03:38 AM
So, I have to use something like http://www.fasteners-cn.fr/3_nut/3_nut_b.jpg ? Is that what you call a Nut?
If it's this, it 's waht I was thinking to, but I wasn't sure...
I hope it's that.
Even, Thank you for all yours reply.

Darth Vane
07-15-2009, 05:43 AM
no man like these:
http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/Screws-C40.aspx

just look at the ones that say its a thumb screw and you will be set.:cool:

Raphael
07-16-2009, 03:36 AM
Yeah, I ha understand tha i Have to use http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/8-32-x-516-thumb-screw--P73.aspx

But, how could it stay in the Hole made for it?
To keep it in place, I must use http://www.fasteners-cn.fr/3_nut/3_nut_b.jpg ?
Am I Right?
I know i'm a little bit...

Rhyen Skytracker
07-16-2009, 04:19 AM
No, when you tighten the screw against the blade it puts pressure on both the blade and the screw and that pressure is what keeps the blade in and the screw from coming out.

Raphael
07-16-2009, 04:40 AM
I understand you, I understand the presure systeme but...I keep don't geting how does it keeps the screw of coming out...
I understand that the pressure keep the blade in place by the screw but, there is nothing, logically who keep the screw itself...I'll try to understand by myself if a buy a Thumbscrew..

Raphael
07-16-2009, 04:41 AM
Could someone can show some screens about that, I hope i'll understand better with screens or Video...

cardcollector
07-16-2009, 07:07 AM
Ok, here's how it works...
You buy this- http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/8-32-x-516-thumb-screw--P73.aspx

To secure this.- http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/LED-TCSS-style-Battle-blade-1-OD--P155.aspx

You buy a bladeholder like this- http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/Screw-on-LED-blade-holder-style-1--P183.aspx

And thread hole in it following this- http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=5724

Then you insert a blade into the bladeholder....

And screw the thumbscrew into the threaded bladeholder hole. the screw will press up against the blade and WILL NOT COME OUT!!!!

Want proof???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B1C8n4gkFo These guys use the same LED sabers you want to build!

Raphael
07-16-2009, 08:27 AM
Thak you for yours explications, but I had already understand that.., what I want to Know it's.....How the screw stay in the Hole ?
But I think I have understand...Thank you for alls yours explications, I will show you my saber faster as possible...
Once again, Thank you

Jay-gon Jinn
07-16-2009, 10:35 AM
The screw stays in the hole because the hole in the hilt is threaded like the screw, or the hole in a nut. The screw simply screws into the threads in the hilt....then the friction created by pressing the end on the screw up against the blade as you tighten the screw keeps the crew from backing out of the threaded hole.

xl97
07-16-2009, 10:46 AM
The screw has THREADS... the holes it goes into has THREADS.. it screws into and tightens up against the blade in the hole.


http://dmstudios.net/misc/how-it-works.jpg

Jedi-Loreen
07-16-2009, 11:41 AM
I think he's not understanding why the screw doesn't fall out, not realizing that the same pressure of the screw that holds the blade against the blade holder also holds in the screw.

I don't know why he doesn't want to believe us that it does work. I guess he'll just have to try it for himself. :rolleyes:

Darth_DevilGuy
07-16-2009, 12:33 PM
basically the pushback from the blade creates friction on the threads on the screw and the hilt, the same pressure that locks the blade in also keeps the screw from turning, because of the nature of the screw you can still turn it yourself, but it won't turn on it's own unless something moves it.

Jedi-Loreen
07-16-2009, 01:02 PM
You explained that pretty well. Maybe he'll get it now.

Raphael
07-16-2009, 02:44 PM
Halleluja ! I had understand by the XL97's explication....
Thank You very very much everyone and sorry for have been So slow....
I'm really sorry about keep don't understanding for ages...
It's okay now, I have just to make thread in the hole, Excuse me for that but, thread in french (with a traductor) isn't exactly the same thing, A thread is a wire in French so...It was a little bit strange for me...
So Thank you very very much for all yours explications, and I'll promise, I 'll show you my saber when it will be finished (And i have to know how we do thread in hole, I think I have saw tutorials on the forum).
Merci Beaucoup !
Bye !

Rhyen Skytracker
07-16-2009, 07:44 PM
Glad you understand now. Sometime the language barrier can make simple things very difficult. I look forward to seeing your saber.

Thaxos
07-16-2009, 08:28 PM
If you have any more questions that the language seems to be causing difficulties, just PM me.
Je parle francais, alors je peux traduire pour vous.

lectricpharaoh
07-16-2009, 09:49 PM
It's okay now, I have just to make thread in the hole, Excuse me for that but, thread in french (with a traductor) isn't exactly the same thing, A thread is a wire in French so...It was a little bit strange for me...As mentioned, sometimes language differences can make things a lot more confusing than they would normally be.

So Thank you very very much for all yours explications, and I'll promise, I 'll show you my saber when it will be finished (And i have to know how we do thread in hole, I think I have saw tutorials on the forum).Generally, you drill a hole that is slightly smaller than the threads. You then use a tool called a tap, which you insert into the hole you drilled. As you turn the tap- basically screwing it in- it cuts threads into the inside of the hole. Remember that when you're cutting the threads, that material you cut away needs to go somewhere. Thus, you need to periodically 'unscrew' the tap to get rid of the loose bits of material.

As far as the tutorial, yes, there is one on the forums. The link was posted by cardcollector in post #15, but if you missed it, here it is again (http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=5724). If this seems like too much trouble, you can always have the hole drilled and tapped by someone else. For example, if you're ordering MHS parts from the store, there is a drilling/tapping service provided, for a small fee. If you're only doing it occasionally, then this is probably a better choice than doing it yourself, but if you're going to be doing it a lot, then investing in the tools and taking the time to learn how to do it makes more sense.

Raphael
07-17-2009, 01:57 AM
OKay, That's perfect, I'll try to buy tap at a shop (Mr Bricolage....), and if everything goes right, I think my saber will be finished tonight (so aproximatively at Mid(d?)ay...
"""If you have any more questions that the language seems to be causing difficulties, just PM me.
Je parle francais, alors je peux traduire pour vous. """

Je pense que ça va bien m'aider !So once again, thank you for everything !
RDV Tonight...

Raphael
07-17-2009, 12:12 PM
OKay, so..There just a ittle problem, it's that I have take a Extension of 5' to do a main body so the Battery holder is too, Long(?) . So I'll try to find another way... So, I'll see tomorrow, sorry for the late(?).