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Jagahati
06-10-2009, 10:59 AM
I was randomly looking around today and came upon this little beasty.

Linkage! (http://www.led-tech.de/en/High-Power-LEDs-Seoul/3.5W-Seoul-RGB/Seoul-3.5W-RGB-SMD--P5-Version-II--on-PCB-LT-1456_121_149.html)

May be of interest for saber construction considering some of the problems with rebels.

Just a thought.

Anatim
06-10-2009, 12:30 PM
A friend of me tested this LED from LED-Tech....not very bright.
I think a white Seoul with Lee filter would be better.

Logan Cade
06-10-2009, 04:19 PM
Yeah, the colors on those individually aren’t very bright…about 1 watt. Reminds me of what you would find in the Joe-Jedi saber.

LedEngin 10 watt RGB star is better IMO. Each individual die is similar to a Lux 3, but they’re a bit pricey.

http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvbrKVFTEWTli%2fWCn J5%2fGBnWg3NSn3s%252b5M%3d


Thanks for the link though.

Revan
06-11-2009, 10:33 AM
yeah these aren't very bright. but i like the pcb. i wish the endor stars came on one of those... or maybe they do? anyways, the individual ones are much brighter especially with a white poly-c blade

cannibal869
06-11-2009, 10:41 AM
RGB Rebel is brighter.
I have both and have tested both.
The color mixing is slightly better on the Seoul cause the LEDs are smack right together and fit underneath the standard optics better. But I have found that if you use the Tri-Rebels that are mounted close together - a la XWingband - it still works pretty good with the standard optics, although XWing has a semi-custom way of mounting the optics as well.

Novastar
06-11-2009, 07:47 PM
Ahhhhh... Anatim! Welcome!!

:)

--Nova


A friend of me tested this LED from LED-Tech....not very bright.
I think a white Seoul with Lee filter would be better.

Anatim
06-12-2009, 07:36 AM
Thanks:D

Iam registered here for 3 months;)

Iam going to talk to the guys from LED-Tech about the best RGB LEDs and Optics.
LED-Tech is only 10min from me by car:cool:



Ahhhhh... Anatim! Welcome!!

:)

--Nova

Roy's Blues
06-15-2009, 09:51 AM
Here's an Seoul P5 in my Mara Jade.
video
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/Mara%20Jade/th_100_5175.jpg (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/Mara%20Jade/?action=view&current=100_5175.flv)

pics
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/Mara%20Jade/100_5176.jpg (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/Mara%20Jade/100_5176.jpg)

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/Mara%20Jade/100_5177.jpg (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/Mara%20Jade/100_5177.jpg)

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/Mara%20Jade/100_5178.jpg (http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b219/Nailbunny375/Mara%20Jade/100_5178.jpg)

Jagahati
06-15-2009, 12:59 PM
That is a nice purple Roy. And a very nice saber.

Kal El Rah
06-15-2009, 02:11 PM
Roy, that looks great, do you have a mirror in the tip? Other than that, great work.;)

Roy's Blues
06-16-2009, 06:08 AM
I don't use mirror tips. Mylar is better.

killphil
06-16-2009, 06:42 AM
What kind of run time do you get with that?

Roy's Blues
06-16-2009, 08:11 AM
What kind of run time do you get with that?

I have not had to recharge it yet, and it gets activated everyday

killphil
06-16-2009, 02:05 PM
I don't use mirror tips. Mylar is better.

What's the benefit of using mylar as oppossed to mirror tips?

I have only tried the tips sold here at TCSS and Ultra's tips.

I found that the tips here produce to much light at the top for a bulbing effect (no offense, Tim), while the Ultra tips produce a much more even transition from blade to tip.

Kal El Rah
06-16-2009, 02:58 PM
He already answered that question..............................:roll:

Jedi-Loreen
06-16-2009, 03:14 PM
Not in a specific way as to why he thinks it's better.

killphil
06-16-2009, 03:18 PM
He already answered that question..............................:roll:

No he didn't. I wanted to know what specifically was the benefit to either. Read my post more closely.

Kal El Rah
06-16-2009, 03:28 PM
Translucent Silver Mylar is a translucent material which will allow some light to pass through, like polyp does, reflective but transparent avoiding the lightbulb effect as a solid mirror can't do.

Hope that explains it better.

killphil
06-16-2009, 03:41 PM
I guess what I was getting at: Are the tips sold here mirrored and the Ultra tips mylar? Because the differences are like you described.

The blades I make are about as even as possible. Just trying to make sure I'm using the best tip possible.

Novastar
06-16-2009, 04:02 PM
In general... when saber folks are saying "mirrored tips"... they ARE indeed referring to the technique of using a semi-transparent reflective material for the tip.

It's true that SOME builders and designers use "extremely reflective" tip materials--in other words "full mirrors" that do not allow ANY light to pass through into the tip... but... most saber builders do not.

As a matter of note--it makes little difference which kind you use... as long as you DO use a mirror tip. I've tried "uber-reflective" ones and the more common "semi-reflective ones" (I use aluminum tape sometimes)... and I've never noted a significant difference unless you simply do NOT use one.

All the mirrors really do is cast back a portion of the light into the top 2-4 inches of the polycarb tube closest to (duh) the tip. It helps things be a bit more evenly lit. Without a mirror... the saber's last 4-5 inches usually looks "more dimly lit".

But again... it really only matters IF you use one.

In the case of VERY huge blades (i.e. 36" or > )... I would go as far as to say you should use the most reflective tip you can find, and forsake the "tip glow" of a semi-transparent mirror...

...but I don't know many people who consistently use 38" blades and expect evenly lit sabers. :) Well... without using a Lux V or something like that. :D

killphil
06-16-2009, 04:17 PM
Well, my blades are rarely longer than 33".

As for differences in blade tip techniques, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on there being little to no difference between the methods. The ones I use(from Ultra) do not have extreme brightness near the reflective material and allow a good amount of light to pass thru into the tip.

I've also used tips that were extremely bright at the mirror, much more so than the brightness of the overall blade. Some like this let no light into the tip, while others let too much light into the tip.

Darth_DevilGuy
06-17-2009, 12:24 PM
I use 36" blades pretty much exclusively and use semitransparent reflectors I've found it to be pretty even if you use a decent film, currently I use poly-p under corbin film and it's pretty impressive with a P4 green or wight filtered to purple.

Jay-gon Jinn
06-17-2009, 05:39 PM
Well, my blades are rarely longer than 33".

As for differences in blade tip techniques, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on there being little to no difference between the methods. The ones I use(from Ultra) do not have extreme brightness near the reflective material and allow a good amount of light to pass thru into the tip.

I've also used tips that were extremely bright at the mirror, much more so than the brightness of the overall blade. Some like this let no light into the tip, while others let too much light into the tip.

Phil, those blade tips that you get from Ultrasabers are the same ones that Tim sells here, so there isn't any difference in how they light up a blade...I have used them from both Tim and Ultra, and they are identical....where do you think Ultra gets them?

The tips sold at both places come with a mirror already on them...you just need to make sure you remove the protective film from the mirror before you install it. I have a method I like to use on my blades when I assemble them that retains the mirror, but also lets more light into the tip, making it as bright as the rest of the blade, while maintaining an even brightness throughout the blade.

killphil
06-17-2009, 06:22 PM
The tips themselves are identical, yes, but the reflective material is where the differences are.

The tips here at TCSS have a reflective material that encompasses the whole inner diameter of the tip and the reflective material is very thick like cardboard(only in thickness and feel, obviously not the look of it).

Whereas the tips I have gotten from Ultra have always had a mirror that was smaller than the inner diameter and the reflective material was more akin to a sticker(very thin).

Edit:
Here's what I mean:

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa24/gambitholic/Picture138.jpg

They are both thick walled tips. They were the only 2 extras I had lying around. All my thin walled tips are being used, but it's always been the same way, regardless of what kind of tips I bought. TCSS tips are always like the one on the left.

Likewise, every Ultra tip I have purchased are like the one on the right.

Double edit:
I also forgot to mention, the tip on the right allows absolutely NO light into the tip. The other one does.

Jay-gon Jinn
06-17-2009, 07:16 PM
Have you bought one recently?
As in like the last month? or week? I have both here in my parts bin, and I'm telling you, they are IDENTICAL, right down to the mirror that's on BOTH tips.

alex told me along time ago that he used to use Con-Tact silver contact paper on his blade tips, but that was before he started getting them from Tim.

killphil
06-17-2009, 07:34 PM
I can't say that I have. It's been at least six months since I bought those tips. I was unaware that there had been any changes in the tips since then.

xwingband
06-17-2009, 07:58 PM
Yup, Ultra stopped using contact paper when he started ordering from Tim.

I use mylar also. Why? I find a full mirror doesn't light up the tip enough. Cutting a smaller one helps but IMO it concentrates too much on the very apex of the tip. I use two or three layers of the mylar and it gives equivalent brightness with a full even tip color.

killphil
06-17-2009, 08:01 PM
So, I take it the mylar encoumpasses the whole ID of the tip?

Does it have to be mylar specifically, or can you use poly p?

Roy's Blues
06-17-2009, 08:29 PM
Mylar works better.

Ultrasabers gets blade tips from TCSS

Kal El Rah
06-17-2009, 09:01 PM
Gee that's what I said in post # 18.