New Jedi order (non-canon costuming group)

[jaiden_teed]

I've been thinking about an idea for a costuming group for a while about a (if you like) less formal costuming group.

The idea is to have it a jedi group, but lets your imagination run a bit more free with the costume.

will obviously still have to have rules, but not as tight as some of the other costuming groups out there.

this is in no way a slate at any other costuming group. I had this idea because i've been considering making a jedi costume for a ages but want to put my own personal touches in to it. the problem there is too much tampering and it becomes "non-canon". costume groups wont look at it. then i figured what if there was a jedi costuming group that specialised in non-canon costumes, that let peoples imagination go nuts! maybe even giving some back stories to the characters etc.

anyway would there be any interest for something like this, let me know and we could maybe start working towards something, starting maybe with a free website and building from there...

Jaiden****

[Darth Leximus]

Do it up man!

Look at the Mando Mercs, they did the same basic thing. They got sick of the strictness of places like TDH and the 501st so they started their own group for "custom" mandos and it's taken off like crazy. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that would love to make thier own version of a jedi with little regard for what is canon. It kinda goes hand in hand with custom saber making, there are definately sabers out there that are far from the canon norm, but that doesn't make them any less Star Wars!

[chase]

I agree with you that most costume groups have very strict standards. I'm in one now...but I've always felt like my character is more New Jedi Order than anything.

[Darth Leximus]

The more I think about this the more I like it actually.

I don't have a Jedi costume as of yet, but I'm planning what color scheme I'm gonna use. I'm thinking along the lines of a Correllian Jedi which is alot of greens and blacks which normally doesn't scream jedi.

I'd be willing to help out in any way possible to get this thing up and going if you are serious about starting something.

[Braxus]

Im all for it!! :)

[chase]

Corran Horn is a pretty good example of Corellian Jedi. Check out his costume.

[Titoshi]

I would be down!

[Angelus Lupus]

http://bp2.blogger.com/_JIQCq8dc9rY/RhrST76nYRI/AAAAAAAAAC0/oPglO_9gkRc/s400/ibedown.jpg

[Tradeliphine]

I think it sounds great, you should still have standard so its not just 40 year old guys in bath robes, but as long as they do it good let them write the story. Elitism is not the way of the jedi, it is the path of the dark side :p

[Lord Preston]

I support this idea.

[Drichar Deis]

That sounds awesome, as long as someone has the time and patience to enforce and maintain it.

Id be up for it....

[Onli-Won Kanomi]

An alternative to "New Jedi Order", which is tied to a particular SW era, is you could start a "Grey Jedi" costuming group...Grey Jedi "do their own thing" don't follow the dictates or missions of the Jedi Council and therefore wear whatever kind of 'robes' [or other clothing, gear, even blasters or armours] they like.

Therefore if your group represents Grey Jedi the members can be 'free' with their costuming Imagination and still kinda-sorta 'canon'...at least EU wise...and Grey Jedi exist throughout SW history...KOTOR's Jolee Bindo is the quintessential Grey Jedi from when they co-existed alongside the more orthodox Old Republic era Jedi Order...so Grey Jedi can be even more imaginative with their character stories.

Somebody wants to wear Mando or Stormtrooper armour pieces along with robes? Fine, maybe he/she is a Grey Jedi who took them off a defeated adversary.

Somebody wants to wield a red lightsaber but not be on the Dark Side? Fine, a Grey Jedi isnt bound by the traditional saber colours of the Jedi Order so red saber is a go.

Etc etc

"Grey Jedi" sounds like it might be what you are looking for to base a freer Jedi costuming group around.

[Darth Leximus]

We made my brother a Jedi with Mando armor for halloween this year..It looked awesome


You can kinda see it here, hes second from the left

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn234/lexxicon88pb/100_4422.jpg

[Tradeliphine]

ahahaha

I so saved that pic lex, the mando armor isnt bad, but Lord Helmet on the end had me in stiches, reminds me of my nephew

[LordJaivus]

I've been thinking about an idea for a costuming group for a while about a (if you like) less formal costuming group.

The idea is to have it a jedi group, but lets your imagination run a bit more free with the costume.

will obviously still have to have rules, but not as tight as some of the other costuming groups out there.

this is in no way a slate at any other costuming group. I had this idea because i've been considering making a jedi costume for a ages but want to put my own personal touches in to it. the problem there is too much tampering and it becomes "non-canon". costume groups wont look at it. then i figured what if there was a jedi costuming group that specialised in non-canon costumes, that let peoples imagination go nuts! maybe even giving some back stories to the characters etc.

anyway would there be any interest for something like this, let me know and we could maybe start working towards something, starting maybe with a free website and building from there...

Jaiden****
WHERE DO I SIGN UP!?! I think this is an excellent idea, especially as such that my primary jedi costume focuses on the KOTOR era where Jedi wore armor along with their robes. And if you've seen any of the KOTOR comic books, not all jedi during those times wore brown and tan.

[LordJaivus]

An alternative to "New Jedi Order", which is tied to a particular SW era, is you could start a "Grey Jedi" costuming group...Grey Jedi "do their own thing" don't follow the dictates or missions of the Jedi Council and therefore wear whatever kind of 'robes' [or other clothing, gear, even blasters or armours] they like.

Therefore if your group represents Grey Jedi the members can be 'free' with their costuming Imagination and still kinda-sorta 'canon'...at least EU wise...and Grey Jedi exist throughout SW history...KOTOR's Jolee Bindo is the quintessential Grey Jedi from when they co-existed alongside the more orthodox Old Republic era Jedi Order...so Grey Jedi can be even more imaginative with their character stories.

Somebody wants to wear Mando or Stormtrooper armour pieces along with robes? Fine, maybe he/she is a Grey Jedi who took them off a defeated adversary.

Somebody wants to wield a red lightsaber but not be on the Dark Side? Fine, a Grey Jedi isnt bound by the traditional saber colours of the Jedi Order so red saber is a go.

Etc etc

"Grey Jedi" sounds like it might be what you are looking for to base a freer Jedi costuming group around.
Maybe if you go with the Potentium, anyone who's read some of the NJO novels should know full well what that is.

[Darth Leximus]

ahahaha

I so saved that pic lex, the mando armor isnt bad, but Lord Helmet on the end had me in stiches, reminds me of my nephew

The mando armor is actually really good, we just had to do a quick attachment job last minute so that didn't go as well, but it's all been redone and it looks great.

Mini Vader is actually my 6 year old daughter! It was by far the highlight of my halloween

Heres another for ya

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn234/lexxicon88pb/100_4143.jpg

Ok, back on topic...

[Tradeliphine]

haha, ty for the followup, and I wasnt saying the mando was bad by any means, just that the vader stole the spotlight imo

[jaiden_teed]

ok, im glad this idea is getting a bit of interest.

i used "new" jedi order, not because of the era because i thought it suited the idea. but if someone can think of a better name let me know, also im going to be looking for ideas on the rules of acceptance, also if anyone has any other ideas in general let me know too. i will hopefully start somekind of temporary site in the next couple of weeks.

One idea i have is to still use the ranking system some other groups use padawan, knight, master, council member etc how it will be decided yet im not sure but again any ideas are welcome.

By the way that jedi costume with mando armour looks awesome leximus, well done.

[astromech_kuhns]

well a while ago i talked about this with tim. i sent him a PM regarding turnign tcss into a jedi/sith costuming group to he said not right then so i didnt say anything more about it i love it thoguh. please tell me theres no age thing!!! i personally turned down the idea of mandos clones and sith for the 501st cause of strict policy. this group being for jedi would be great!!!!

[astromech_kuhns]

ok so watchmen should be the like basically legion masters and stuff. the jedi watchman would lead a particular state or provinince. i think the grey jedi thing is kinda cool. we could have the founding mebers be the council and stuff.

[astromech_kuhns]

so with this comes orginization and responsibility. i think we should have basically legion masters. except the legion masters would be called jedi watchmen. i think the main founders of this should be the jedi council members. i think a ranking system would be a good idea. maybe being a youngling or so until joining with a costume your then a jedi initiate. after trooping once or twice (or jediing) you can become a padawan. after that the more you troop and contriute the more you gain rank and position. once you can be a great help and recource to the costuming group and you troop regularly you can become a council member or watchmen. just my 2 credits.

[Darth Morbius]

Watchmen... You mean like a Sentinel?

sen·ti·nel (shttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ebreve.gifnhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifthttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gif-nhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/schwa.gifl)n. One that keeps guard; a sentry.

tr.v. sen·ti·neled or sen·ti·nelled, sen·ti·nel·ing or sen·ti·nel·ling, sen·ti·nels

1. To watch over as a guard.
2. To provide with a guard.
3. To post as a guard.

[astromech_kuhns]

jedi watchman were jedi that looked over particular areas or systems and/or planets.

[Col-mar]

Why just NJO jedi? Why not jedi from all eras that arent' cannon?? I don't have and NJO costume but I'd like to join.

[astromech_kuhns]

he said he had called it njo because the idea and group were new. it will be for all eras not just one in particular.;)

[Col-mar]

Ah! Sign me up then!

[37H4N]

This sounds awesome! I had always wanted to join the 501st but I wasn't 18 and wasn't a huge fan of strictly cannon costumes.
I'm still working on my character/costume ideas though.

I consider myself to be a grey jedi so sign me up! :)

[Angelus Lupus]

I agree with the calls for some standards to be set. That would ensure the group achieves a minimum level of quality and doesn't get laughed at. It would still allow for variety and custom costumes, rather than having a group with half a dozen people dressed as the same character. Of course, for the 501st you want identical costumes for the clones and stormtroopers.

[Col-mar]

Not sure about an age limit. Rebel Legion doesn't allow minors from what they have said on their site "to to the informal nature of this club we cannot accept minors as members". Don't know why the 501st doesn't allow minors. It might be a legal thing but not sure.

I do think only accepting members that have finished costumes isn't a good idea, I don't have mine totally completed but would have liked to join the rebel legion. But that's just me.

I do think we should have four main catagories for jedi. NJO, RotE, Grey Jedi and KOTOR era jedi. That way all are covered. And the Grey Jedi could be in any era not just KOTOR.

Pro quality costumes may or may not be a requirement, though looking through the rebel legion member's costumes...not many are professional quality.

I do like the idea of calling leaders of each area Watchmen or Watchwomen. I think having a governing body of twelve top ranking members is a good idea too and they can be called the...wait for it...Jedi Council!:D

[Darth Leximus]

PREPARE FOR A NOVASTAR LENGTH POST!!!!!!

The age limit thing with RL and the 501st is strictly a liabilty issue. They need to conduct themselves responsibly and are held responsible for the actions of anyone associated with their group and so they only allow "adults" to join. This is just to protect them against any possible law suits or insurance claims.

That being said, if you are going to using the group for any charity events, convention appearances, hell even birthday parties, it would be a good idea to have an age limit at least for those events.

As for costumes...I don't think it's a bad idea to allow WIP costumes into the group, but maybe have a Youngling section stictly for those working on thier costumes. That way they are a part of the group, but wouldn't become "official" until their costumes are done and approved to some standard. Speaking of standards, these are pretty much necessary if you want any kind of serious group. They don't need to be as specific as color restrictions or how many food capsules you have to have, but even something as general as overall quality would be good. I'm not saying everyone needs to be a master seamstress, but you don't want people showing up with a bathrobe and a cardboard tube with the word "lightsaber" written down the side either.

Here are my suggestions for some possible standards and ways they might be decided upon...

1. Overall quality -- This would be the decision of the ruling body (Jedi Counsel) and would also provide suggestions to those not meeting par.

2. Necessary Components -- If you want this to be a Jedi group and you don't want to have to explain to people at every event what exactly you are supposed to be, there should be a few general necessities. I would suggest:

a. hooded robe/cape (some sort of outer body length covering)
b. wide belt(s)
c. tall boots (that leaves that pretty open)
d. saber (personally I would say LED(or equilvalent) just so you don't get people with hasbros or the above mentioned tube, and also you want the group to look unique, but somewhat uniform when they are together)

etc....

I didn't even mention Tunics or tabbards or anything like that, but obviously those could be added or left out at the counsels discretion.

Anyway those are my thoughts and what little info I have about costuming groups. If you're still reading this then thanks and I hope I helped.

DL

[Col-mar]

Darth Leximus, I agree with no toy sabers, but with that said, not everyone likes a light up blade (I'm not one of them but they are out there) we can at least say on the requirements page that no toy sabers are allowed. They have to be at least hardware sabers or solid machined hilts. And if they don't have any, we refer them to the custom saber shop.

The council should consist of at least the six highest ranking members

If we are serious about this, we need our own board.

[Goodman]

'Been following this discussion, and I really like the idea. A lot of 501st guys have dual membership in newer, less formal costuming groups, such as The Rebel Legion.

Since it's a safe assumption that most of us here are saber builders/weilders, it would be nice to reach out to the LAJedi, PAJedy, NYJedi, and other fighting groups to join up, as they often costume as well, and often have --surprise-- lightsabers with TCSS parts.

'Just an idea.

I'd certainly join up.

[Col-mar]

I started and informal membership thread for all those of us you are essencially the founding members.

[Darth Leximus]

I think just hilts could be acceptable. We would obviously have the know how within the founding group to instruct and provide guidance to helping people build or upgrade their sabers.

[Col-mar]

Agreed. Also, I think that each member of the council should be voted in by either their fellow members or by a general election of the entire membership so that no one gains to much power with in the Order.

[Lord Preston]

I'm in.

[Lord Preston]

I started and informal membership thread for all those of us you are essencially the founding members.

Describe the "Founding members."

[Goodman]

'Agreed to the above points regarding sabers. The saber requirement should be an inviting aspect of the group, not a devisive or exclusive one. All types of reasonable minimal quality (i.e. NO toy sabers) should be accepted.

[Taylor]

Agreed. Also, I think that each member of the council should be voted in by either their fellow members or by a general election of the entire membership so that no one gains to much power with in the Order.

well jaiden said he would pick the council though..

[astromech_kuhns]

well i think the founding council members should be apart from each other. not grouping 4 or 5 of the 12 members in NY and none on the west coast. spread it out. with that being said me(wethar or not im on the council or anything) i want to be the leading member/watchman for oregon/ albany area. my area:p;) i think no toy sabers as well but i didnt say anything i figured it was a given.i say we need business cards. to help get our group word out. i also think if we become big enough we can have forums for seperate areas like the 501st. i think pvc saber hilts should be exceptable as long as there good quality hilts. that being the cutoff anything less we shouldnt except. ive got part of a costume and i will get a saber soon.

[astromech_kuhns]

ok my idea.

board lurker: someone whos just made a acount on the forum only.

youngling:someone that is starting the costume and that needs a bit of help/ideas.

padawan: someone that has a costume made and it is aproved.

jedi knight: someone that has a costume aproved that has joined into the events with there costume at least 4 times.

master: someone that is a leadign contributer to the group that also does alot of trooping.

council/founder: 12 members that are main founders of the group.

watchman: the leader of a particulare area. basically like the legion commanders on the 501st. they are givin that role by being a good founder or having done alot of trooping or are one of the first people for a particular area. also if not doing enogh contributing they would be demoted and a new watchman would be there.

[jaiden_teed]

Ok, quick update, today i have registered a very basic website which once complete will allow me to start the ball rolling on the group.

As for the other topic started by col-mar that has nothing to do with my NJO group, Col-mar is well within his rights of starting his own group if he so wishes but that thread has nothing to do with me or my idea.

I am currently not taking members at this moment, i will however be picking out people i see fit to help me and the sites development.

as for age limits: i currently don't know enough to make a educated decition on that, i can say this, the whole council WILL be over 18. even if we can allow under 18s in the group. right thats all at the moment.

i will keep everyone posted on progress through this thread.

[astromech_kuhns]

nice on the website! i think theres free forum providers but not for sure. we need to look into that.

[Azelis]

Sounds good to me. Is this light side Jedi only? I've been thinking of a group for dark side Jedi (like the costume I'm currently at work on) since only cannon dark Jedi are accepted anywhere, even more informal groups.

[astromech_kuhns]

no lightside maybe grey. jaiden_teed can tell you hes the leader

[LordJaivus]

jedi watchman were jedi that looked over particular areas or systems and/or planets.

Jedi watchmen were also the prestige class for a jedi sentinel according to KOTOR 2 and later the SWRPG Core Rules. And if there's anything at all I can do to help let me know ;)

[Col-mar]

I have already appologized for my rash behavier. It was intended to be a basic list of who have agreed but in hindsight I should have spoken to Jaiden first.

As for minors, an honorary membership perhaps. Nothing official until 18.

[Darth Leximus]

Let's just take this slow and easy and everything will get worked out just fine. We are way to early in the developement of this thing to worry about what exactly the rules should be or who is a member and especially whos the leaders of the different groups. There aren't even any groups to be the leader of yet! Technically there is no group to be a member of yet and whatever rules are made will be made by the ruling body of the group once that is established.

I would assume everyone will be given the chance to apply for membership so just be patient and keep an eye on this thread and you will know what's what. I'm just as excited as everyone else about this, but it will take time to come together and not everyone can have a say as to how things are going to work. This was Jaiden's idea so let's let him make the decisions.

[Azelis]

Wait, so it's officially a grey Jedi group? As I recall they're pretty violently xenophobic to any order that doesn't think the way they do. I don't know about later but I don't currently have a character to play from that.

[Darth Leximus]

First of all, there is no "officially" anything yet.

Secondly, I do not believe this will be a Grey Jedi group. So far as stated it is a Jedi group focusing on more non-canon, but not strictly reserved for non-canon.

Basically you can make any Jedi you want, as long as you're a Jedi. That's about as far as I'm willing to go, anything else should come directly from Jaiden as this is his baby.

I can say that the detail will be smoothed out over the coming weeks and everyone will be notified on this thread.

[Vecna]

allow non canon Dark Jedi to join and Im in :D
I have been looking for a costuming group that will allow non movie or canon characters.

[jaiden_teed]

Thanks Leximus, nicely put!

People keep mentioning grey jedi, The idea for the NJO costuming group i have, is a JEDI group. the difference being is that its members will have more freedom with costumes, Don't get me wrong we iwill have to have rules for the members to get in, you will have to look like a jedi, But the idea is for people who dont just want to have the same costume as 300 other people in the group. it will give you more freedom on colour schemes, in ways the design of the costume etc etc. that is the basis of my idea.

Lightsabers: i noticed some discussion on this earlier, i don't think it even needs to be said: NO TOYS, machined hilts, hardware and all that (as long as they look good, nothing you threw together in 5 minutes) if it looks good as i said it will be accepted.

Anyway as lex said, this thing is in very early develpment and not alot has been established to how it is going work, run etc etc, so wholed tight, and keep those ideas coming.

[Drichar Deis]

From what I can gather, this seems to be forming into another version of "New York Jedi" which sounds cool to me.

Ideas are floating.......

[Drichar Deis]

Just thought Id add this if its of interest to anyone.....

A couple of us met up earlier this year, heres one of the vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxhin9RASgo

Or for the full lowdown, search "Shindig 08" on the search function.

But count me in for this to be sure!

[Darth Leximus]

It is pretty similar in idea to NYJedi, and I would love to have some regurlarly scheduled meet ups. Whether it be a saber fitness class like NYJedi or something different I think thats a good idea and it builds stronger comraderie within the group if people are meeting on a regular basis. Obviously the meet ups would need to be a regional thing because I doubt any of us are going to be flying from continent to continent on a weekly or monthly basis. Although a full NJO meet up would be awesome!

It really is awesome that we have so much interest after only a day or two and that the interest is coming from all over the place and not just the UK or the US!

[Col-mar]

regional...yes.... As far as I know, I'm the only one interested from southern Maine, at least for right now. Perhaps of Jaiden agrees, we could do a location thread just to know where most of us are what what states/countries will be lumped together.

If it looks good, yeah, let 'em join.

An again guys, I apologize for stepping on some toes, was not my intenion. The excitement was what got to me. I should have kept it held back and asked Jaiden first.

[Darth Leximus]

That's a good idea Col, but let's get a few things hammered out before we get too far ahead of ourselves.

We need to come up with a charter to clearly state the rules for the group and the standards that need to be met for costumes. This is being worked on as we speak so hopefully by the end of the week or so we will have that settled.

After we have a charter we can start taking applications for membership. Once we have some actual members then we can start worrying about where everyone is and how our regions will be broken up and who whill lead those regions.

The saying of the day is "baby steps" We all want to get there as soon as possible, but we also want this group to be as well done as possible so it can last and grow.

[Barmic Rin]

I'm in for NJO as that's where my fanfilm is set!! Got the costume, Tunics will eventually be like Jocasta Nu's with the whole pattern on the tabbards.

Librarian with a saber FTW!!!!

I'll admit, i'm only browsing this topic at the mo, having been off the forums for three weeks, I have a lot of reading to catch up on. Those that know me know how anally retentive I am on this forum, so you'll have to forgive me as this topic has piqued my interest.


I agree with council members, a minimal age limit, and having a respectable costume (not cheap costume store one) & a decent looking hilt. Not toys, light up not compulsary, but prefereable.

As for meet ups, meet me in the London Temple BABY!!!!

[Col-mar]

It was a thought Leximus. But I would like to know if there are any of us that are from the Portland of Maine.

Any thought as to how we pick the members of the council? As I suggested a general election or an internal election of the council once the original members have been picked by Jaiden. I think a two year term is good enough. But that's just me.

[Barmic Rin]

I say 6month term of service. A lot can happen in six months....

[Darth Leximus]

Nothing has been set in stone yet, but as far as I know Jaiden will be selecting the first Council, all of the elections or promotions after that will be addressed in the charter and are yet to be determined.

Suggestions are good Col, keep em coming! ;)

[Col-mar]

Just thought I'd put it out there. Wouldn't hurt to have it in mind for now.

I do think each region should be called a Temple and each smaller region with in it should be called an enclave or academy.

Also have a consern with costumes. One could just do a Solo costume and add a saber hilt and call themselves Jedi. How are we actually making sure that doesn't actually happen or is that what we want?

[Darth Leximus]

Those things are all going to be part of the charter and costume standards. Give us till the end of the week and we will have at least a rough draft for everyone to look over and give suggestions and comments, but bottom line its going to come down to a Council decision as to what "gets in" and what not. That being said there will not be a closed door policy, meaning if an application is denied we will offer suggestions as to how to modify it to make it passable.

[Col-mar]

That's great cause I would hate to see some one turned away and not be helped.

God, this is cool! I actually had a similar idea back after EP1 came out but nothing ever happened. Glad something's happening now.

Glad no one was mad about my thread, it was just an actual list of people planning on joining not actually members. But I should have asked Jaiden.

Let's keep this one alive and may the Force be with us all.

[Darth Leximus]

It's cool Col, I think we are all a little excited. There has been a need for this type of group for a long time and aside from NYJedi and thier affiliates, the void has remained.

I truly hope that the interest doesn't die down, and Jaiden and I are working very hard to get all the prelimanary stuff taken care of so we can get to the fun!! I have literally been researching and working on this for the entire 8 hours I've been at work and plan on continuing work once I get home.

So spread the word and get those costumes ready because this is gonna happen people!

[Col-mar]

I posted a thread a the jedi council boards over the www.theforce.net but no one has responded.:( Hope people really want to do this.

[Goodman]

Give it time to soak.

[Col-mar]

It's been two days and it seems not to get to much traffic anyway.

As far as my costume, all i really need is the boots and that's it. I got a crappy hardware saber I made a while back but I am waiting on a quote on a machined hilt from Arm on Fire. I hope he hasn't forgotten me.

I know the boots I will get but won't get them until tax time. So, I'm pretty much done. No pouches yet though, hope that won't hold me back from joining.

[Ideal]

my only problem is im short on funds right now to get a costume and saber finished any time soon, so me joining might have to wait a while

[Darth Leximus]

Col, glad to hear you are almost finished with your costume and I look forward to seeing it. Be patient with Arm On Fire, it is the holidays and I'm sure he is extremely busy. It will be worth the wait, his craftmanship is superb!

Ideal, we have discussed having a younglings section for people who are in the process of making their costumes. I'm not sure how this will work, wheter it will be part of the group or maybe just a devoted section on the forums, but fear not there will be people to help you out.

[Col-mar]

I know, he must be a busy man. Good thing is that he lives less that 100 miles from me. So shipping is almost none existant. He and I could even meet half way to make the transaction.

Yeah, I've actually had my costume mostly done for over a year now, just funds for boots was the problem.

[jaiden_teed]

Ok, Just a couple of things.

It has now been decided that the group will start off initially as a lightside jedi group with the possibility of adding a sister site for you darksiders out there.

Obviously the whole idea of freedom with costumes will still be there (with rules) we have just decided to start with it would be best to focus on one thing at a time.

As for the name, its been decided that New Jedi order is not the best name to use, so we are looking for ideas for a new one. It has to be focused on the lightside jedi theme, and i would prefer it to have jedi in the title.

please nothing to do with grey jedi or the potentium.

[Col-mar]

sounds good Jaiden. Would it be ok if I posted a location thread? Just to see where most of us are and where the main body of the group will be for now.

[jaiden_teed]

yeah no probz.

[astromech_kuhns]

i got a couple things to say!

one. designations..........i dont particularly want TK-5001 im not a stormy...........

2. the name possibility's:


jedi elite

jedi power

jedi force

jaiden's jedi order

jedi leaders

the jedi alliance

ok so i just thought of something else! we need a slogan!

[Ideal]

wasnt the original jedi order sometimes known as the Holy Order of the Jedi Knights? some variation of that should suffice i would think

[astromech_kuhns]

personaly i like jaidens jedi order and the jedi alliance. i also agree that we should have a sisterhood orginization be dark side people.

[Goodman]

How about the Jedi Bloc?

Bloc is a synonym for "Alliance", and avoids the group from being mistaken for "Jedi Alliance" the video game.

'Just a suggestion

[astromech_kuhns]

nic eone and i could see it but the only problem i could see is people not knowing what bloc is. what do you think we could do about that? other than that i like it.

[Kal El Rah]

Copied From:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/bloc

Entry Word:
confederacy
Function:
noun

Text: an association of persons, parties, or states for mutual assistance and protection<a confederacy of several small nations who had promised to come to one anotherʼs aid if any were attacked>
Synonyms:
alliance, bloc, coalition, combination, combine, confederation, federation, league, union

Related Words:
cabal, conspiracy, junto; cartel, syndicate, trust; faction, side, wing; association, group, organization; affiliation, cooperative, partnership



Entry Word:
faction
Function:
noun

Text: a group of people acting together within a larger group<several factions within the environmental movement have joined forces to save this wilderness area>

Synonyms:
bloc, body, coalition, party, sect, set, side, wing

Related Words:
crew, gang, pack, team; denomination, persuasion, schism

Hope this helps, lots of good 1's:grin:

[Col-mar]

I like Jedi Alliance personally.

I got the quote from Arm on fire, $250...ouch. Not sure I can afford that even at tax time. Gotta talk to the wife about that.

Nine pages, wow, this is really taking off.

[Tradeliphine]

Being intended for jedi from all walks of life and all backgrounds, what about something like the Jedi Academy, it would be the perfect excuse for so many different styles to be together, and like any school there would be faculty, teachers, graduates, students, and young students. It would set you up for ranks pretty easily, theres already some established lore and it would be easy to write in your own story about how you came to teach or enroll your kid/student. Just my thoughts.

[Darth Leximus]

Col, 250 isn't bad, especially for some of Arm's work. I easily have over $700 in my sith hilt between all the design changes and replacements and trial and error.

Keep the name suggestions coming there have been some good ones out there.

[astromech_kuhns]

jedi legion? i like this idea and iim glad were doin it i want to say thanks Jaiden_teed for giving me something to take more money out of my pockets for!:p;)

[jaiden_teed]

Ok, there have been some great suggestions for the final name of the group, i showed my favourites to lex today and we have both managed to decide one, so the new name of the group will be: The Jedi Collective.

thanks again for all the suggestions.

[Darth Leximus]

Ok! So we have an official name now which I hope everybody is happy with. I think it incorporates what we are trying to do here and it sounds cool to boot!

Now we just have to work up our charter and standards and get our site up and running and we will be well on our way to beginning the membership application process!!!

I'm also gonna be looking into message boards so hopefully soon we can have our own dedicated forum.

MTFBWY

[Darth_DevilGuy]

interesting, I'll have to join when I get my costume together.

[Col-mar]

Devilguy, we actually will allow partial costumes but not as full members until they are done. I think. Am I right Jaiden?

[Darth_DevilGuy]

yeah man, I read the whole thing, others who've been around here may have noticed I don't say much about a project until I have something done, I don't want to join until I've gotten all my own things lined up the way I want them, besides I have a pile of saber projects as well as a rather intensive weight loss program to get through before I'm ready to get into costuming.

[astromech_kuhns]

lol. ok so i like the jedi collective it sounds cool. standards realy should be our next thing. i think PVC, metal working and even plastic if its nice enough. i dont mean hasbro i mean like 616 parts on pvc. i think if its not a hasbro and looks nice enough it should be excepted. i think as far as costuming standards go the saber is the first thing we need to get done.

[Ideal]

"not hasbro and looks nice"-are we including MR sabers in this or do we want straight up custom sabers?

people like myself, who have MR sabers already, but are still working to get a custom done, might get full membership a little quicker if we include MR sabers. but either way is cool with me, if this is a group for custom made jedi, then it kinda makes sense to require custom made sabers

[astromech_kuhns]

thats what i was gonna ask was about MR just couldnt remember. im kinda wondering that to. my opinion would be MR can be had. custom sabers can cost money some dont have.

[Col-mar]

I think they are included since the look "nice" already.

[Tradeliphine]

perhaps allow converted mrs? that way even if its not a functioning el/led, they have a hilt, and not an always out blade. it also shows that theyre doing work on a costume and not just off the rack/shelf

[Darth Leximus]

Standards are being worked on as we speak.

I imagine MR sabers will be exceptable, customs preferred simply because you can't take the blade out of an MR and hang the hilt on your belt. This comes in handy at crowded events and is safer as well. Again though this NOT the final word on the subject, there is still much to be discussed.

[astromech_kuhns]

well liek what was said id they convert it to take the blade out.

[Col-mar]

I know the name has been picked already but here's one that came to me this morning at work.

Knights of the Republic

What do ya all think?

[Darth Leximus]

It sounds cool, but personally I have issues with it. Not because it's a bad name, simply because I am a ENORMOUS star wars nerd and I pride myself on knowing as much as possible about the fictional universe we all know and love.

That being said...I've never liked the idea of the Jedi being the knights of the republic, I believe Luke Skywalker had the right idea when he recreated the Jedi order and at least for a while kept it seperate from the republic. The republic is essentially just a semi corrupt group of polititions with their own best interests at heart, and more often than not stood to limit what the Jedi could and could not do when in truth the Jedi should have been following the will of the Force and not the will of the Senate.

Basically I think the Jedi would have been better suited to decide for themselves how best to serve the galaxy. They still should be champions for good, but good and the republic are not always synonomous.

Ok there's my huge nerd rant...ENJOY!

[Darth_DevilGuy]

personally I'd say "The Jedi Collective" isn't an Ideal name, I've been thinking about it, and it kinda falls flat, the other groups like 501st legion, rebel legion, and mando mercs, have names that sound good, they "flow" this name well, doesn't, I'd advise patience and consideration when it comes to choosing a name, because once you've chosen, you're stuck with it.

[Col-mar]

Good points Leximus but I also agree Devilguy. Jedi Collective isn't ideal. But that was what was chosen.

[Darth_DevilGuy]

my advice is that nothing need be chosen yet, go slow and make sure it's perfect, you should treat the creation of a group the same as that of a saber or a costume, don't cut corners, don't rush, concentrate and make sure every aspect is as strong as you can make it.

[Titoshi]

I know I have not really been involved with this topic, but I am very interested in seeing this group manifest. Just like the saber-building community, I feel there are tons of ways to represent jed, sith , and any other force users and supporters. There has been so many variations on the theme in the years since ROTS, that there needs to be a group like this. Since it is so far removed from what have become the standards, I think a non standard name is more appropriate. Just as the group wants to not be pigeon holed to certain archetypes and expectations, I think including the word Jedi in the name of the group almost limiting as far as the scope of what you are trying to accomplish. I believe "The Force Collective" is a good option. Just as in the Force in Star Wars ,The Force Collective could be described as: ... an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.
Well, that is my 52 cents.

[astromech_kuhns]

[/I]
Well, that is my 52 cents.

50 cents?!?! thats all??!!?!?!? well heres my 53 cents!!!!!!!!!!

ok the force collective refers to dark side grey side and light. were just jedi as far as im concerend unless it gets changed. no i dont think we should rush this and name has importance but the name isnt the biggest issue. if after we decide everything we should proof check it and if theres a problem with the name then we can change it before it becomes truly final. as long as we dont post the site were good for now.

[Ideal]

Jedi Collective does leave something to be desired doesnt it? the only problem is that someone needs to come up with something better, otherwise the discussion is moot. it should be something impressive, that flows well, but isnt a mouthful when you try and tell someone about it.

but like i said, until someone comes up with a suitable replacement, then Jedi Collective is the best we got

[Naveed83]

First off I love the idea of a non-canon Jedi group. I'm new as whole to the whole Star Wars costuming scene, and I'm currently working on putting together a Imperial Crewman uniform so I can join the 501st and have been thinking about doing a for fun Jedi costume (I'm doing a costum sabre hilt no matter what) as well. Anyways, my point being is I don't really want to be one of the "common" Jedi you see in all the parades when I do the costume, and so this idea is rather awesome imo. It'd be fun to have my own custum Jedi outfit and still be able to join a Jedi costuming group. So if this flies like it appears to be doing, you can count me in! :D :cool:

Oh, and I just joined this forum because of this topic, so hi everyone!

[astromech_kuhns]

welcome

[LordJaivus]

I like the name of Jedi Collective but it does leave something to be desired so I've been brain-storming some names.

Jedi Federation
Jedi Consortium
League of Jedi
Jedi Coalition

more to come, let me know what you think.

As far as standards are concerned we need to focus on things other than lightsabers. I think it's more or less unanimous that we won't allow hasbro sabers or hardware sabers that are just thrown together, but keep in mind that anyone in a karate gi and a lightsaber can claim they are a jedi. What if we went with a patch or some emblem defining everyone representing the group? Maybe with velcro or something that way it can be easily removed for those who claim membership to other groups.

[Darth Leximus]

Welcome Naveed!

To address the name issue...Obviously nothing is set in stone untill we actually have some sort of site put together and start taking on members. With that being said, Ideal had a great point. The reason we wanted to choose a name early is so we can get a site up quickly, we chose the name from the best options we had. Honestly the only other idea I've liked since then is the Force Collective idea, it has a nice ring to it. I'll discuss this issue with Jaiden and we'll see what happens. We obviously want people to like the name, but liking the idea behind it is far more important to us.

Thanks guys and please if you have any more name ideas please feel free to share them!

[Darth_DevilGuy]

Personally I think going for a simple name like The New Jedi Order, or just Jedi order would probably be more suitable, you want a name that already has some association with star wars, and is easily recognizable. Somehow I think collective cancels this out, it just doesn't sound like star wars.

My top candidates would be
New Jedi Order (NJO)
The Jedi Order
The Jedi Coalition

Personally I like the Jedi Coalition, as it leaves open the possibility to have members with other than strictly Jedi costumes I think part of the success of groups like Rebel Legion and the 501st is that they include a range of different costume types and thus can gather enough local members for cons and events, from what I saw on the location thread the preliminary membership is very spread out so you want to be inclusive in order to get things rolling.

[Darth Leximus]

The problem that arose that made us change the name from NJO to something different was because New Jedi Order is a protected entity owned by Lucasarts. As I'm sure most of you are aware, NO ONE who goes up against Lucas in legal matters ever wins. If you notice both of the above mentioned groups have names that while recognizable as Star Warsy, also have a good cushion of deniability. There was no such thing as the rebel legion in the star wars universe, and while there was a 501st, that name could technically refer to anything so they leave themselves a loop hole.

Thusly we needed something that is recognizable, but still stands apart from being something created by anyone affiliated with Lucasarts.

I have spoken to Jaiden about the name issue and we are agreed that it will stay the Jedi Collective as we feel it embodies the goal of this group as a place for any kind of Jedi to come and feel welcome. Unfortunately we can't please everyone, but I hope that something as simple as the name won't be enough to deter anyone from joining.

Thanks guys!

[chase]

The Jedi Order is already a costuming group. Check out my sig...

I think everyone has great ideas...but like everyone has said, nothing is set in stone. To have a successful group, you need rules and regs. Not everyone should be allowed to join, simply because some people do not take it as seriously as others do. I'm in a group right now and the things you have to do to gain rank are crazy. Crazy, BUT, when you do gain rank, it comes with a great sense of accomplishment. You cannot post a certain amount of times to gain rank, just because you have a costume doesn't mean you have what it takes to be a Master. I honestly think that titles should not be handed out so easily. If you want the group to survive, you need to be able to inspire these people to do good things. If someone joins a group just to be in a group and doesn't contribute anything, what is his purpose? Another face? People have to work for what they get, (unless they are independantly wealthy) and why wouldn't someone need to work to become a better Jedi? I'll share a few things that a typical person in "The Jedi Order" has to do to gain rank. DON'T think I'm comparing any group to mine, OR saying the group I'm in is better, this is simply just to show what my group goes through.

Padawan: FULL costume. The group is bases in Clone Wars time, so everything is standard to what they Jedi wore then. Boots, belt with pouches, pants, tunic, undertunic, tabbards, cloak, and light up lightsaber. No toys. This group strives on excellence, not to say "I'm better than you", but to show they mean business and they are serious. A Padawan has to go through trials to become a knight, read below for a typical Knight trial.

Knight: A knight has to BUILD a certain number of props to gain rank. They HAVE to be trained by a Master in several aspects, lightsaber combat (yes we have a system), mentally trained to think like a Jedi, and when they specific props are build (such as comlink, breather, Jedi pilot headset, crystal core, grappling hook, ect.) you have the chance to go through your "trials". You also have to train a Padawan to become a Master. The type of trial is determined by the person. It is NOT an easy task. The last trial I heard about, the sister group "the Sith Order" joined in to help. The Jedi had to go through certain challanges, fight Sith, and finish a "mission". Once he completeted it, his Masterhood is given.

A Master has to train padawans, attend functions such as cons, gatherings, ect. He has to have a very "Jedi" thought pattern, mainly to keep the appearance of a Jedi in gatherings like Cons. I don't even know what else one goes through,...but its not something light.

Anyways...basically what I was saying is there needs to be rules and regs. Whatever they are, is up to the founders. I don't think everyone has what it takes to be a Council member. Some people can teach well, some can duel very well, but some just don't have the mental compacity to become a great teacher or Master. The same reason why most of us never became football or baseball players or the president of the united states.

What do you think?

EDIT!: Also, I forgot, that there are "Canon members" to the group I'm in. They can portray a character, as long as they have an exact costume like the character.

[astromech_kuhns]

wow nice but wow. well i personally think that this needs to be well rounded disciplined gorup but not to over the top if you know what i mean. i think impo jaiden should pick the founding members to eb the council let the rest of us throw them ideas and him along with the council decides the final decision. or heck maybe he could even gather the 6 most helpfull people at the moment as well as him to help vote and make things final then when the time comes reform that group letting the members go and repick 12 members so he can have a council. so for now 6 people as well as him that help the most to finalize then once he gets the group decide on 12 members to be the council even if those 6 arent any of the twelve on the council at least it will give him help deciding and decision making. then make a new set of people be the council. if he wants the same people or some of them then they original 6 could end up bieng on the council and maybe not.

[LordJaivus]

Good idea kuhns. Your idea is quite reminiscent of how Luke rebuilt the Jedi Council during the Yuhzzhan Vong War.

[jaiden_teed]

The way im envisioning things at the moment is that, you will have to earn you place on the council, how this will be done, is still to be decided. I dont want TJC to be a popularity contest, As voting systems can sometimes end up, never the less im sure these things can still be discussed.

I really cant see things running like the jedi order even though....WOW! that must be a difficult group to run. but, im sure as the council grow, things will get interesting obviously things are constantly changing, and all your ideas are put forward and discussed. I just don't want people to be dissapointed when the final product is put out.

Anyway, Darth Leximus had a friend do up a logo for the TJC, but i dont know how to put it up so lex could you do it for me please. :oops:

[Darth Leximus]

Sure thing!

I hope you all like this as much as we do. I'm working on a couple different layouts at the moment with my friend so we can do banners and sigs and other things.

Here ya go...

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn234/lexxicon88pb/TJClogo.jpg

In case you're curious, that's the Jedi Code in aurebesh around the circle.

[astromech_kuhns]

love it. sizing it down would be needed for sigs. now is the sword looking thing in the middle representing sabers?

also do you have to be a member of it with a full costume to add it to the sig?

[Titoshi]

very nice. I would join just for the logo!

[Darth Leximus]

Thanks Astromech, to answer your questions...

The middle represents arms presenting thier sabers...picture like in medieval times or something when soldiers would line up facing each other and lift their swords to create an archway for someone to the King to walk under...make sense?? Picture the curved lines as the arms and then the straight lines as the sabers and you should see it.

As for the signature question, I would appreciate it if no one used this image for anything until we are officially setup. On the website we will have a section for premade wallpapers, banners and other things to download for free. Members will get the option to have thier own personalized signatures made with the logo and your character name/real name and location.

[astromech_kuhns]

ok. and then this is just something that in my opinion bothers me.......well it doesnt bother me to much realy i shouldnt say it bothers my. im more of a strait line lined up kinda guy. is that circle in there gonna be square whith the other circle? like will it be even? not a big deal just wondering.

[chase]

I agree that the group should not be as hardcore as The Jedi Order. As much as I like the group, I get discouraged. It takes YEARS to get anywhere in the group. A few months back, half the members got banned for some reason (no need to get into it) and now there is only one Master with eleven Padawans. Basically, it's going to be a long time before anyone gets anywhere. With more Masters, that wouldn't be a problem because they can train multiple people at once. I also don't believe in using the same rank system of The Jedi Order, mostly because not everyone can do it.

I believe everyone should earn their place with whatever position is granted to them. I also like the idea of someone training someone else, weather its in their region, or it's just something simple like help with costuming, props, or even lightsabers.

The main problem some groups get is people with ego's. I've seen it at conventions, gatherings, even movie premiers. Someone has a great costume, better than most, and they have the attitude to go with it. If this is going to be a Jedi group, people should act the part. I understand that its a Jedi costuming group, but how good does it look when someone has a great costume, but talks like a sailor? It almost ruins it for me. It would make the group more professional if everyone looked the part, but also acted it while in costume. Just imagine how big this group could get, and just imagine even twenty people showing up for a big convention like Dragon*Con or ComicCon. How BA would it be? Now just imagine everyone from the group doing their own thing, no one caring what the others in the group are doing, half of them drunk, and the other half just flailing lightsabers around. It would be a joke. Thats where order and planning come in. As big as this group could get, it would need some serious planning.

I'm here for any advice or help you need.

[astromech_kuhns]

well spoken we need to be acountable. but also when something like that happens thats when they need to be banned do to misbehavior. that is what gives groups bad names and nobody whants them back. we need order in our group but we still need to have fun.

[chase]

Absolutely. Fun is the reason to make a costuming group. I don't know about banning...its a little harsh, but continued misbehavior shouldn't be tolerated.

[astromech_kuhns]

well think of it this way.


we go to a event, a public event. like say the one i run at my local library. theres about of them lets say 5 members in costume. in front of all the kids. one sits there and is slipping words out that arent good for children to hear. just as simple as that. the parents would get mad and make a huge deal about it to the members wich make us look bad. then they librarian comes and finds out what happend. the librarian is then trying to solve it in fornt of everyone. the others sit there and this makes them look bad too. so after its said and doen there would have been a argument between one of our members the librarian and probably a couple of parents. when the event gets over i take some heat. some people dont return to out event and we look bad due to the fight and what soemone at our event said. the jedi costumers also look bad and wont be liked by a bunch of the parents. i then end up writing sorry letters. due to what happened the members are not to come back. i would much rather be able to argue them coming back with saying "im sorry this happened it was just the one that did it, he is going to be banned from our group due to his actions. i would ask that due to that fact that he will not be coming to any events anymore under our name that you allow the gorup to come back." rather than "well due to what happened he will get a warning and if it continues he will get in trouble and he been suspended. will you please let them come back?"

thats jsut my outlook.

[Drichar Deis]

Any idea when the website will be up?
Ive no idea how long these things take.

[chase]

I agree with that, something like that should never happen, and if it did, harsh reprocussions should be taken.

I also think that members should KNOW not to do something like that. What I meant was different actions cause for different punishments. If someone is going to portray a Jedi, they should know what it means even before joining the group. There should be a set of rules before one joins, and the rules should be agreed on by Council members.

[astromech_kuhns]

exactly i htink we shopuld be able to cunduct ourselves well.

[Darth Leximus]

Drichar, all I can tell you is it's being worked on. Not sure when it'll be up and running but it will be ASAP.

[astromech_kuhns]

imho i dont think we should let the forums be open on the site until we get things decided on here. that way we keep from the other forum getting junked with ideas and stuff for getting it up and running. or if you want to go to the other site to continue this once we get the site up and going then make a section for getting started and ideas. like we only post in there to get ti started then when we get it all set in stone the thread could just be for ideas to improve. kinda like tims wishlist. ill try to get the PM sent tonight jaiden if i cant it probably will be tomorow. and are we sure all we want is light side jedi? i mean are we just sure about it?

[sithlordfaust]

Id like to join but unfortunately (for this circumstance) Im a sith. But like my namesake Id like to cheat the dark side and regain my soul someday. looking forward to a sith club

[sithlordfaust]

Thanks Leximus, nicely put!

People keep mentioning grey jedi, The idea for the NJO costuming group i have, is a JEDI group. the difference being is that its members will have more freedom with costumes, Don't get me wrong we iwill have to have rules for the members to get in, you will have to look like a jedi, But the idea is for people who dont just want to have the same costume as 300 other people in the group. it will give you more freedom on colour schemes, in ways the design of the costume etc etc. that is the basis of my idea.

Lightsabers: i noticed some discussion on this earlier, i don't think it even needs to be said: NO TOYS, machined hilts, hardware and all that (as long as they look good, nothing you threw together in 5 minutes) if it looks good as i said it will be accepted.

Anyway as lex said, this thing is in very early develpment and not alot has been established to how it is going work, run etc etc, so wholed tight, and keep those ideas coming.

thats still pretty ambiguous though. I think as long as you dont wield a red saber or have sith armor or sith tattoos you could be a "jedi". if the movies had come out in sequential order and we hadnt come to know Luke as Luke.... when he appeared in RotJ in his black garb, would you have known he was a jedi? probably not until he popped out his awesome green saber

[JetSet]

Not sure if it's already been said/asked, but will this include Sith or would there be a possible mirror?

[Darth Leximus]

To address the Sith/Jedi issue...

As it stands right now and of course this is still subject to change, the TJC will be for any non-sith force wielder. We do plan to have a sister group down the line for our sith friends.

I know this may disappoint some people, but if you look at my Username and alignment on these forums it should be obvious that I will be redeeming myself in order to join this group as well.

I look at it this way, it gives me an oppurtunity to make 2 characters instead of one. Plus for the sake of the group it makes more sense for us to be Jedi seeing as we will be doing charitable works in our various communities (not very Sithlike.)

[Hasid Lafre]

Why do jedi and sith costuming groups HAVE to be separate?

Why why why!

Look if you guys are going to be taken seriously you should look into other groups and see how they manage things, Look at the RL and there requirements, if you think about it they are pretty lax, They say you have to have earth tones for old republic, the majority of old republic is the same style but with cultures it differs a little bit.

Look at the corellians, they use old republic style but greens and blacks and grays.

As far as quality of the costume goes you want it to look like it came off the movie set if it doesnt look good then its not going to be taken seriously.

You guys got alot of thinking to do and when it comes to sabers anything but then 35$ hasbro things you get at walmart should not be allowed. and having a saber as an absolute must is not always needed. Remember yoda dident have a saber the last years of his life cause he dident need it.

[astromech_kuhns]

realy though sabers are going to help identify them more and help decide if there costume is good enough. also on the sith thing inho i think the group being evryone would get more members and we could put on lighsaber fights at events it would bring more members wich gets bigger group. bigger group is biiger name. and we can do more sith vs jedi stuff. well idk maybe if the sistor orginization and tjc get the same events posted there would be sith and jedi.

[Col-mar]

sorry I haven't been on lately, had an ice storm and knocked out power for two days. We just got it back three hours ago.

1. the Logo is great but does need to be centered

2. We are the jedi Collective, means no sith. There will be a sister group for darksiders.

With that said, this is getting good. Hope to see the website and forums up soon.

[Hasid Lafre]

There are many jedi and few sith sites why can't you make it so its a jedi and a sith site?

[Col-mar]

Because Hasid, that was not the concept for the group. Sorry, but deal or make the sister group.

[astromech_kuhns]

well ya like what was said lets make a sister gorup. i think they should be linked though. if a event gets posted on one it gets posted on the ohter.

[chase]

A Sith sister group should almost be linked, just not merged together like a lot of people want to do. With a Sith sister group, they could attend the same functions as the Jedi group and put on good shows. There's no bigger attention getter if there was a planned, choreographed fight between 10 Jedi and 10 Sith. I think the only thing that should seperate the two groups is a website and the name.

[astromech_kuhns]

i agree! at my event controled lightsaber fight plays was something people said they wanted to see

[astromech_kuhns]

how much interest is there in a sith sisterhood group? jaiden can i start a thread for this to see the interest in a sith gorup?

[sithlordfaust]

here are a few reasons why the tjc should have darksiders as well. first.. its not a religion. its a costuming group. 2n as a sister site for sith is not sith at all. it goes against the the rule of two. and outside of the rule of two, the only way of true accention is through superior force of will (kind of hard to organize people who model themselves that way) that being said I do think at events ONLY two peopl should be able to appear as darksiders, and all darksiders should have a Jedi persona as well if they want to appear at all functions and the council could decide who shows up as sith. 3rd . there are already groups that are light side exclusive, and to entice them it would be good to have that choice. I mean... look at Exar kun Jedi ...Sith ...Jedi Uhh uhh Sith I dont know. Hey I realize my 2 cent are just that, but their they are.

[astromech_kuhns]

this is jaidens group so if he thinks jedi its jedi. and who says the sister group for sith isnt krayts order? hmmm?;)

[Col-mar]

the sister group isn't purely sith anyway, it's for all darksiders.

[sithlordfaust]

like I said it was just my 2 cents. not disputing whos group it is.

[astromech_kuhns]

oh no i was in no way implying that you were disputing only saying that that is why the group is light side. no problem!

[chase]

The rule of two is not the Sith way. It was a Sith idea. Bane created it to reshape the Sith as he thought it would work best, after studying Darth Revans holocron. Before that, there were tons of Sith, just like Jedi. Palpatine followed the Rule of Two, but not exactly like Bane did. He had Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and at least 5 or 6 other Jedi who turned to the dark side under his command.

Darth Krayt created the rule of one, all Sith under a true leader, himself. Before that, like in the Jedi/Sith war, there were ranks of Sith, just like there are ranks of Jedi.

In a costuming group geared towards darksiders, just like TJC, its an individual group with its own individual rules and belief systems. TJC could inforce its own rules as it sees fit because its not following standard movie guidelines or procedures.

[Darth_DevilGuy]

There's an essential flaw in the rule of two, several actually, but the big one is that without employing more than two agents it's nearly impossible to hold power, which then forces you to either employ agents who don't share your beliefs, or bend the rules as palpatine did by employing dark jedi without elevating them to full sith status. Palpatine saw the flaw but was unable or unwilling to go against the philosophy completely.

Darth Krayt Wasn't even exposed to the rule of two in his initial training in the darkside, as he learned from a holocron of one of the earliest sith who predated bane's sith order and even those of revan and exar kun by thousands of years, he could see the problems with these later sith orders and set out to correct them by attempting to focus loyalty on the order itself rather than any one leader.

and I think thats enough derailment....

[Darth Leximus]

Hey guys I just want to say a couple things and please don't anybody get offended because that's not my intention.

Jaiden and myself have been working non stop since the beginning of this idea to come up with a great group that will be both fun for it's members and beneficial to our respective communities. We deeply appreciate everyone's enthusiasm and ideas about the group and that is inspiring us to work harder and as fast as possible to get things rolling.

With that being said, in order to make the TJC as well organized and proffessional as possible it's going to take some time. There is alot of research and brainstorming to do, not to mention coming up with a definition of exactly what we want to accomplish with this. As I stated before we really appreciate everyone's ideas and support, but there are some thing that we would appreciate not seeing any more of. Unless you have read something posted by Jaiden or myself where we have stated something as fact, it is not OFFICIAL policy of the group. There has been a fair amount of people claiming that things are going to be one way or the other when it's not really thier place to do so. It's not like we are mad or even upset with anyone, we just want to avoid confusion as much as possible until a set list of regulations and standards has been posted. This will be happening soon so all we ask is that there be no more speculation about what will or won't be allowed until that list arrives.

Please feel free to keep your ideas and comments coming because that is helping in the shaping of the group immensely!

Remember patience is a Jedi's strongest virtue, haste is of the darkside.

MTFBWY

[Zero Unit]

Well, that took a long time to read...

I'd definitely be interested in joining this group, and I have a costume ready to go for it as well, plus a saber (Liberator stunt). I was looking at some of the stricter groups, but the regulations and costume tolerances were somewhat disheartening. I have a 85% accurate Anakin outfit, but it just doesn't do it for me, I much prefer my all white Dune-inspired outfit (if you've seen the 2000 mini-series, it's at the end).

So, from what I gather, the group is aiming for:
1. Non-sith Force wielders
2. Freedom of costumes
3. Quality of costumes and members
4. Non-era specific outfits

I read earlier that council members must be at least 18. If I may be so bold, I think that it should be taken just a little bit further and say that full membership is not granted until one is 18. Partial membership to those under, yes, but I wouldn't consider having them be official members until 18, for minors are the responsibility of their parents and not the group (otherwise you start having to deal with much more legal paperwork, etc.).

As for outfit rules, it seems to me that almost anything is too restrictive. May I suggest the following:
1. Must be of acceptable quality (what constitutes this has yet to be decided)

2. Outer cloak is required. Generally, the uniqueness of an outfit is in what is under the cloak, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to require that everyone has a cloak. This provides a certain degree of uniformity without sacrificing personalization.

3. I do not think that all Jedi should have lightsabers, per se, because the Jedi have been around longer than lightsabers have. Perhaps a sword of some kind, i.e. vibrosword, cortosis weave, etc. (but never only a blaster, slug thrower, etc.). Should a member choose this route, I do not think it unfair to require him/her to have a more distinctly Jedi outfit, so he/she does not get confused with a common thug.


Finally, anyone else here from northern VA?

[Col-mar]

Zero Unit, check out this thread http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=6748

it's the official location thread for this group.

[jaiden_teed]

Thanks zero unit, some good ideas there.

[chase]

I concur with Zero about the cloak, but to a point. Not all Jedi wore outer robes. They did when they had to, such as Knighting ceremonies or diplomatic appearances, but not always. Look at Quinlan Vos. He pretty much wore all black, and hardly anything was considered typical Jedi, but he was still a Jedi. Maybe if it was a formal gathering, I would go with the robes, but not if I'm just costuming around. They get too hot!

[Ideal]

i was thinking of adding a cloak to my costume for the simple fact i could store my saber blades in the side so when i pull my saber i already have them handy

[Darth Leximus]

Thats a good point Zero, but let's think of it this way for now...

It is true that not all Jedi wore their robes all the time, but I think it's pretty acceptable to assume that the vast majority of jedi did OWN robes. As you say they might wear them for a formal or diplomatic engagement. So I don't think it's unfair to require members to OWN a robe for their costume. Just because it's a requirement for membership, does not mean that everyone will be required to wear them at all times at all events.

So far robes are the ONE thing we have decided to deem as a requirement, there will probably be others, but for now that's it. So get some robes people!!!

[chase]

Thats basically what I meant, have them, but don't always wear them....

[Donnovan Sunrider]

http://www.butterick.com/item/B4050.htm?search=cape&page=all
http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4698.htm??tab=list/costumes&page=all
http://simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=search.cfm (search for 5840 & 5794)

Mine is the 5794 Simplicity pattern in heavy drapery wool.

[Darth Leximus]

Thanks for the links Donovan, I'm sure that will help alot.

It also brings up a good point.

It is my desire to have a section on the website/forums for just this sort of thing. So if any of you have links to good patterns, or tutorials for anything we might want to add to the Jedi Archives please PM me with them so i can start compiling them ASAP.

[Donnovan Sunrider]

You're welcome.
I'll consider this kind of group after my sabre is done and I redo my garb. I have a pretty severe overhaul planned I want to get done first.

I'll help with things like links and the like when I can though. I've been sewing my clothes for my swordfighting organization for a while now. I'm no master tailor, but I know my way around a sewing machine and pattern.

[Zero Unit]

Thats basically what I meant, have them, but don't always wear them....

That's kinda what I was getting at, but you guys worded it better. Cloak for uniformity's sake when at events, if only just to show that we are all together for the first few minutes...then they can come off to let the costumes shine. :cool:

[jaiden_teed]

What costumes are people going to be putting forward to TJC, i have no pictures of the costume itself, it is'nt completed, (making a new one) i can let you know what i have so far.

black hooded Cloak, which i am considering modifying to look kinda similar to anakins in AOTC, black obiwan style belt, brown nearly knee high boots, which again need to be modified, i have a few designs for my actual costume i am toying with but can't decide on a colour scheme.
My lightsaber is i suppose a quinlan vos replica, its not completely accurate (very close though) which i bought from JQ Lightsabers here in jolly old england, it runs on a lux 3 and on fresh batteries is very bright. I have pics of that i will upload them later or 2moro.

So what about the rest of you pics? discriptions etc etc, what are you going to submit to TJC?

[Col-mar]

no pics yet but basically your standard PT jedi. Brown inner and outer tunics, obi and tabards. I have a tan, sleaveless tunic under my inner tunic.
and black pants and brown Anakin-ish boots that I will get come income tax time. and a medium brown outer robe.

[Darth Leximus]

I am going for a Corran Horn inspired correllian jedi with a green robe, and green, tan and black color scheme for the rest. I'm close to done with my Jedi saber, I've had a sith saber for a while but I've been movin slower with this one. It will be obi ANH homage, not a replica, but in the same family. It has a crystal chamber and will run on my US 2.0 and a green p4. Pics of that willl be up very soon.


EDIT: WOW 800 posts goes by fast!

[Angelus Lupus]

I've got a reversible Brown/Green robe that looks good, I guess it would suit a Corellian.
I like the fact that it could be green while out and about, say in woodland or whatever, but retains the option of brown for those more formal Jedi meetings.

[astromech_kuhns]

im thinking a brown robe with maybe a blue/black tunic similar to shado vao. but ill have a green saebr.

[jaiden_teed]

Heres a link to some pictures of my lightsaber

http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=6821

[Zero Unit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NcgyJwW8o4

At about 0:20 through 0:25. My outfit looks similar to that, without the cape. It has no shoes (I wear brown flops or sandals when I must wear shoes with it), and I carry an Ultra Sabers Liberator with gold accents and a green blade (need to change it to white). Hair is styled as the video. I just need some gold embroidery in key areas and some contacts to finish the impression I want to make, as well as a cloak to fit with this group.

My idea was essentially a "Righteous Jedi," being a Grey Jedi who does what he thinks is right, not what a given code says is right. Still working on the back-story. Also, hope one day to get a custom lathed saber from Lord Do-Clo or Arm on Fire; still working on designs.

[Darth Leximus]

Thats gonna look awesome Zero, can't wait to see your take on it

[Col-mar]

Gave my wife a digital camera as an early christmas gift. But forgot the memory stick. I'll get pics of what I have so far soon.

[chase]

Here is my costumes. I have a regular Jedi and a Jedi General. I plan on upgrading both costumes, just takes time and money that I don't have right now. Last picture is my lightsaber...

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll125/chaseouimet/Dragon%20Con/RaneValo9.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll125/chaseouimet/Dragon%20Con/GeneralValo.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll125/chaseouimet/sabers/DSC03083.jpg

[Darth Leximus]

Ah! I remember those pics! Well done, what did you use to make your armor for the general?

[chase]

PVC sentra and a dremel. Oh, and paint. Pretty easy to do with practice.

[Mazarill Slay]

I think this is a good idea, I didn't read all the posts due to the fact I am replying on my phone, but wtvr. I myself play to jedi, a Sith apprentice and a non canon Dark Side Jedi not related to the Sith.

A group would be great, I know of a few community based groups who are non canon such as the NY Jedi.

But I do like this idea :)

[Darth Leximus]

chase, that's what I thought you used, I was just curious. I've done a fair amount of armor crafting myself.

mazril, thanks for the interest man. We are definately not trying to be the first non canon group, but I believe we have some unique things that will set us apart from the rest. Plus who says one group is enough, I'd join all the groups if I had the time. Hope we see you when the applications start rolling in.

[Mazarill Slay]

I understand that, I'll probably jump on board once those applications are up and running :P

[chase]

Leximus, have you ever done anything like The Apprentice armor? I want to try something of that calibur, but just don't have the money to experiment right now. Sucks! I've also wanted to try something along the lines of The Clone Wars style Jedi gauntlets.

[Darth Leximus]

Yeah, I made a set of apprentice armor for the guy who made our TJC logo for halloween this year. I'll get him to send me some pics and I'll post em. I made him the gauntlet too, although I will admit I rushed that part mostly because you see very little of it through the wrappings.

EDIT: Just for fun, here's a pic of what I have completed for my mando armor

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn234/lexxicon88pb/100_4224.jpg

[jaiden_teed]

Awesome armours guys, im jealous, and chase love your lightsaber.

[Col-mar]

i'll be getting pics done this weekend and I'll post then as soon as I can. Remember, not the right boots or saber when you see them.

[Col-mar]

Here's two views of my belt. More pics to come.

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww18/Col-mar/pouch.jpg
http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww18/Col-mar/beltfront.jpg

[M. Lynch]

that's a nice looking belt, did you craft it, or buy it somewhere?

[chase]

Awesome armours guys, im jealous, and chase love your lightsaber.

Thanks, I like it quite a bit too! haha!

[Darth Leximus]

Just wanted to show off the new avatar and sig. There will be much cooler sigs when the group is up and running.

[astromech_kuhns]

i dont even see a sig.

[Darth Leximus]

Yeah, something fudged up in the sig department. I'm having the issue rectified. Please hold

EDIT:

Thank you for holding, the sig you requested is now available for viewing, have a great day

[Col-mar]

M. Lynch, I made it myself. it really wasn't that hard. I'll get some more showing of how I did it at some point.

[astromech_kuhns]

oooohhhhhhhhhh that is a nice sig

[Jedi-Loreen]

Does your belt have any kind of finish on your belt, Col-mar? It doesn't look like it, because it's kind of dull. If it doesn't you really should. If those are the pre-dyed straps from Tandy, they may already have some kind of finish on the, but I don't know for sure, I've never bought those. I prefer to choose my own colors for my belts.

Here's an example of my work. I made this for someone before CIV:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/JediLoreen/Leather%20Work/SUNP0028a.jpg


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/JediLoreen/Leather%20Work/SUNP0022a.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b8/JediLoreen/Leather%20Work/SUNP0021a.jpg

[Col-mar]

as you know I answered your questions on AIM.

But I will get more pics this weekend

[M. Lynch]

the sig is quite simple... most appealing. again nice belts, i need to make some beltage soon. I was thinking along the lines of "i hate snaps" and i've seen a bunch on the webz.

when i said simple, i was ignoring the intricacies of the logo itself.

[Master Dru-Er]

Well lookie at that nice new avatar.

[Col-mar]

well, lynch, the way I did mine is to have a large plastic buckle in the back which makes the entire belt some what adjustable. Same with the thinner belt, one piece that actually buckles in the front.

Loreen, I looked at my Tandy Leather catologe and the Sam Browne Posts are flared. Dunno what you used but they weren't Sam Browne button post.

[Jedi-Loreen]

No, I do not use Sam Brown studs I use screw in button studs like this:

http://www.hardwareelf.com/Images/Items/misc/M-010lg.jpg

They come in 2 different sizes and 3 different finishes: antique brass like pictured, nickel and brass. I get them at http://www.hardwareelf.com

I tried a different closure method for the belt pictured on the previous page using these also, for the first time. Instead of snaps, or Industrial Velcro that doesn't stick to leather very well.

They work in conjunction with the keeper, which is now functional and not just decorative to cover the ends of the belt.

[Col-mar]

My appologies, I thought you said you did.

It won't be made until late February or early March when my tax return comes it but here it is.


http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww18/Col-mar/mhsjedicolmarhilt.jpg

It's all MHS parts with a modified blade holder and pommel.

Arm on Fire will be doing the mods and putting it all together. It's his render of the final saber.

Enjoy!

[chase]

I thought that looked like Randy's CAD work. Are you going to powder coat it?

[Col-mar]

of course. Only way to go with Randy's work:D

[Col-mar]

*bump*

[astromech_kuhns]

good this thing needed a bump
any new info guys?

[Col-mar]

guess we unfortunally must let the Jedi Collective die.:(

[astromech_kuhns]

i doubt its gonna ajust die. we jsut need to wait till they get some more info on it. rememer it is the holidays;)

[Darth Leximus]

Wow let's have a little faith guys. TJC is far from dead, like astro said it's the holidays and I know myself personally has been very busy with work due to the end of the year and all. I can tell you that Jaiden is working on the website and I'm finalizing the membership applications. So keep a look out for both of those in the near future.

[Ideal]

i actually dont mind it taking a little bit of time to get running, it gives me time to get my costuming stuff a little closer to being done. at this rate, at least ill have my saber ready before we go live

[jaiden_teed]

Lex is right, this thing aint dead, far from it. Obviously things have died down because of xmas and new year, i have also been very busy, not just with work but, family, friends, you all know how it works this time of the year, our hobbies must take a backseat for real life(that counts for anything else too family must come first). anyways guys hopefully over the next coming weeks, we should have something to show in ways of progress.

I am very excited to get this thing running, but, its been alot harder than i first thought, and i am pretty sure lex agrees with that, anyway things are moving and i am glad there is still interest even after the silence over the festive period, thanks for your patience guys, and hope you all had a good time happy new year!

[astromech_kuhns]

see see? told you lol. i am glad to be hearing its running goood. i cant wait! lex if you would not mind when you make the application i would much like to see it in a PM or soemthing. proof check maybe share thoughts but also i would like to see requirments and stuff. if you do have needs of proof checkers and ideas and thoughts to the application once you get it made i would love to do that to help you out! cheers!

[Col-mar]

I'm sorry guys, didn't mean to doubt you. Glad it's not dead.:D

[jaiden_teed]

No need to apologise col, you were curious to know where this was going, all i can say is it is happening, i can't give you an exact time on when we are going to be taking applications, hopefully not much longer to wait, the temp site is coming on, and i know lex has put alot of work into the member requirements and what not, so hopefully not to much longer.

anyway dont worry i can't see any reason why you would be turned down, you have a great looking costume and saber, so thanks for the patience dude, and the on going interest.

[Col-mar]

Thanks for the kind word but my saber sucks right now. I should get my new on in a few months.

But I am really glad this ain't dying.

[Halcylon]

I like it, Lex. This is going to be a great group! By the way... here are my Halloween '08 pics.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/Halcylon/2323232327Ffp82nu3239897394WSNRCG32.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/Halcylon/2323232327Ffp85nu323955643232557344.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/Halcylon/2323232327Ffp89nu3239897394WSNRCG32.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y128/Halcylon/n22920854_39517534_9795.jpg

I've got more, but these are what I had uploaded already >_<

[Darth Leximus]

HA HA!! You guys looked awesome! Now you gotta come out so I can install your US2.0s. I just finished my Jedi saber the other day that now houses my US. I'll post some pics this weekend

[Sairon]

Now those look great, good job Halcyon

[gundamaniac]

This is rather interesting! It'll be rather neat if this takes off. It particularly interests me because my costume is decidedly PT Jedi in style, but features a bit of black (and therefore doesn't comply with the popular "earth-tone" jedi requirement)...

Here's some pics from Celebration IV to illustrate (as well as a cautionary tale to would-be darksiders!):

Befriending Vader-
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w57/DarthVaedr/Celebration%20IV/VaderIsYourFriend.jpg

Betrayed by Vader-
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w57/DarthVaedr/Celebration%20IV/PwndByVader.jpg

Executed by bounty hunters while on the run-
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w57/DarthVaedr/Celebration%20IV/KilledByMandos.jpg

[Darth Leximus]

Nice, I love the action shots!

[Angelus Lupus]

I'm gonna have to add some stuff to complete my costume. All I have so far is the boots and a reversible green/brown robe.

[DragonStar]

Hey gundamaniac, those are awesome pics. Not just because they're fun, but because your outfit looks great too.

I'm working on a belt now. water tanning, here I come!

[DragonStar]

PS - are your sabers tethered to your sleeves for safety/conference regulations, or am I seeing things?

[LordJaivus]

Actually, I belive those would be zip ties wrapped around his saber hilts. Probably to hold the convention tags designating that the lightsabers aren't real weapons. If you look closer it would appear there are even orange ones near the triggers on the blasters of the purple and yellow mandos.

[Sairon]

pfffff,:) Vader has nice boots, they look like high tops.:D

[gundamaniac]

Yeah, those are black (i believe?) zipties around my lightsaber hilts. Those were all taken at Celebration IV, but it seems rather standard for conventions to require zipties around prop weaponry (because lightsabers look an awful lot like real weapons [pipebombs with a 36" light????] apparently :rolleyes:). The Vader choking me was the only decent me-getting-choked-by-Vader pic out of all the ones I tried to get at CIV (a couple Vaders understandably refused to actually touch me because of liability and stuff)...and I only noticed afterwards that he was wearing platforms. D'oh!

I've since decomissioned (read: taken apart and was too lazy to reassemble) the short saber (which was off in the pictures but was supposed to sport an amber LuxIII) and remade the green saber (Obeisance!) (http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?p=96939#post96939).

I also made myself a quick set of chest/shoulder armor out of posterboard, vinyl, and foamies, styled after Vader's, for Halloween 2008. It definitely needs to be redone though because it was a) not very durable, b) very restricting, and c) lacked shoulder-bells. I was kind of going for something between the Clone Wars cartoon style and Vader's movie armor. I'd also like to make myself some fore-arm and shin armor...so it'd end up a combination of Vader's chest/shoulder armor with his shoulder-bells, clone/stormy fore-arm armor, and Vader's shin-guards, all sized to fit me properly (no ridiculous overly-huge-life-size-vader-armor-over-skinny-azn-body for me, thanks!).

[Novastar]

hahahah great photos Brian... and... hey, you understand all too well how tough it is to have "stormtrooper style armor" that is durable... allows a great range of motion from the user... doesn't cost a bloody fortune... and actually LOOKS the part...

Pretty difficult.

But anyway, I love the Vader choking thing, I only wish you were staring at the camera with a horrible "choking look" on your face---eyes bulging, hahahah. :)

[Barmic Rin]

For those looking for decent studs for belts, bandoliers etc. I found these guys:

http://www.bowstock.co.uk/acatalog/Sam_Browne_Studs.html

I've been meaning to get my belt adjusted for a while, and these should solve it for me.

It's nice to know thee are some UK stockists of the greeblies & bits for costumes.

[chase]

I'm bumping this thread mostly to see how the group is coming along. Any news?

[Darth Leximus]

There is news but I don't have time to post it all right now. Check back after 430pm central time and I should have an update posted for everyone.

[Sethski]

I've been reading this thread with some interest. Getting a personal saber in the pipeline for the first time has caught my imagination along with all that goes with it, like character and backstory.

Gundamaniac - I've been thinking on similar lines of jedi with some armour elements, in my case sparked by some of the Clone Wars stuff (2D and CGI).
Although I find the Clone Wars visual ideas quite hit and miss, I do think some really inspired stuff pops up.

Although the idea of a jedi and any armour is a bit contentious and doesn't feature in the films, I think it's apt in the context of Jedi having to stretch their role and duties to military roles and rankings (in spite of being "keepers of the peace, not soldiers").

I really like the variety of clone armour/costumes in ROTS, especially around the part when Order 66 is carried out, I'd love to combine something from there with jedi stuff in a way that's not yet been done creates a believable look.

[Darth Leximus]

Ok so here's the update. Both Jaiden and myself have had some developements in our personal lives that have demanded all of our recent attention. As many of you know my wife and I are expecting a baby and she is due any day now so we are busy getting ourselves a little more prepared every day until THE day finally comes. I've also had some major cut backs at my company and I survived by the skin of my teeth. Losing that job would have meant no insurance for my new baby not to mention food, heat, lights, etc. So needless to say I'm relieved, but there's no guarantee that this is the end of the lay offs so all I can do is work my butt off and hope things go well. Jaiden has had his own set of difficulties that I won't get into because I'm not him and it's not my business to share. The news isn't all bad though and I'm sure if he has time to drop in he will let you all know about his very exciting news!

As for the TJC, it is definately still a go, but we obviously have some bigger priorities right now. As much as we all enjoy dressing up in costumes and having fun beating eachother with glowing sticks, family must come first. So we are both still working when we have spare time, but instead of offering little tidbits of content here and there we are going to wait till we have EVERYTHING completed and then hit you guys with it like a slap in the face.

So everyone use this time to get your costumes ready or upgrade them as necessary. Feel free to post pics up here or in your own thread to show off until we get the membership apps out and the website up. No official decisions will be made until there is a complete High Council, but we can give you a general idea.

Thanks everyone for your continued patience and enthusiasm. Don't give up just sit tight and we promise it will be worth the wait.

[Ideal]

yo, life happens. most of us recognize that, so you dont really owe us any explanation. as long as things arent dead in the water, then its all good on my end. ill need the time to get my costume up anyway

[M. Lynch]

Indeed, i agree with Ideal. It is good to hear things are still go. Also good luck with the baby, i hope all goes according to plan.

[Col-mar]

I'm happy this isn't going under. Got some news of my own, gonna have to put the saber on hold for now. Joined the SCA (medieval re-enactment group) and gotta get my armor and stuff set up. But still gonna try for the better boots though.

[astromech_kuhns]

glad to hear it!
good luck with the baby!

[Angelus Lupus]

I'm happy this isn't going under. Got some news of my own, gonna have to put the saber on hold for now. Joined the SCA (medieval re-enactment group) and gotta get my armor and stuff set up. But still gonna try for the better boots though.

Been there, done that, got hit in the head by a Viking with his sword 1/2" from my eye.... good times.:D
(combat safe blunt sword, that is.... otherwise I wouldn't be so glib. Still enough of a whack to draw blood)

[Col-mar]

Hey, any news on this lately?

Oh, yeah....bump

[Darth Leximus]

Jaiden is still really busy with his homelife at the moment and I just had a baby so I'm spending sometime with her at the moment. I do have the next 5 weeks off of work so I'm sure I'll make some progress.

[Col-mar]

ok, just wondering.:)

[airsoftmode]

I WANT IN!!!!!!


Post up the costume reqs, ive got a nice old republic jedi costume but that prob wont work for this. Send me some ref pics of what your shooting for and ill get a costume made.

[Zero Unit]

It's basically anything Jedi (not Sith), and it doesn't have to be cannon. I believe some hints at guidelines are somewhere earlier in this thread.

[Darth Leximus]

Ok please keep in mind that nothing is OFFICIAL yet, but here is the basic guidelines. You'll notice that there's not much to it, which is our goal, we want people to be able to have a good amount of creative license with thier costumes so this is just the bare bones guidelines as we have them right now.

The Jedi Collective aims to give a home to those lightside force users who choose to reside outside the Star Wars canon. Those who choose to walk thier own path and be creative with thier attire are welcome. The collective does expect it's members to be dressed in professional quality garb with final approval of all membership applications subject to inspection by the High Council. Applicants found to be lacking the approriate level of quality will be subject to denial, but reccomendations will be made with the goal of meeting all requirements.

The required components are as follows:

Robe/Cloak - should be hooded and full length, material and color optional*

Saber - no toys, no red blades, light optional**

* - while color remains optional, completely black costumes will not be allowed, partial black is allowed

** - photos of all sabers will be submitted for inspection by the High Council before application approval is granted.

Please keep in mind that while the requirements are few, quality should not be overlooked. This also does not mean that all a Jedi needs for acceptance is the items listed above. A full professional quality costume befitting a Jedi of the Star Wars universe is required for membership.

[airsoftmode]

Off the top of my head, in thinking brown and black sleavless tunic w/tabbard, and black boxing wraps up my wrists, with a painted facial tatoo. Or, I might build a corran horn green costume.

[Darth Leximus]

I like both ideas, I like the second one so much that I'm completing my correllian jedi. ;)

That's not to say you can't do it, just know that you won't be alone

[chase]

I believe that those guidelines are fair. Let us know when you figure out what purpose the High Council will follow and any other rules we should know about.

[Ideal]

bumping this just to keep it fresh in people's minds

[vamphunterx]

I love the sound of this group. I think its perfect. I very much like the freedom to do my own Jedi costumes and not just stuff that looks like the "typical" Jedi. In the movies, look at characters like Ki Adi Mundi, Aayla Secura, Saesee Tiin, Luminara Unduli and many others. They had very different looks compared to other Jedi like Obi-Wan.

[Ideal]

...They had very different looks compared to other Jedi like Obi-Wan.

for some reason, the standard requirements for most groups are bascially that you have to look like Obi-Wan. when it comes down to it, there are actually alot of cannon Jedi that dont dress anything like that

thats kinda funny if you think about it, cannon characters dont meet the requirements to be part of cannon costuming groups

[Darth Leximus]

Just one of the many reasons why this group is needed. I'm having some trouble getting in touch with Jaiden at the moment so as of right now that is the cause for the delay. I hope all is well with him and hope to hear from him soon so we can move forward.

[Hasid Lafre]

I would look into having a corsec patche made.

[airsoftmode]

I would look into having a corsec patche made.

Good idea, great actually. But they cost like 100.00 a pop. Anyone have a cheaper alternative, I was thinking of making a design on my comp, printing it onto adhesive paper and sticking it onto a round 3in pin.

Also, any ideas on what the corsec insignia looks like?

[Hasid Lafre]

100$ for a patch???

[Anavrin]

100$ for a patch???

Kinda my reaction, too... O_o;;

[Braxus]

most embroidery shops charge large amounts for single patches. the price goes down per patch when you buy in bulk. so to get a cheap patch youd have to say buy 100 patches and then it would be around $5 to $10 a patch (just estimating) but thats about how it works

here is a link to a place i used before
http://www.apparel2000.net/index.html

[Hasid Lafre]

Maybe talk to the other corellians on the RL see if they want to go in for a run.

[Anavrin]

most embroidery shops charge large amounts for single patches. the price goes down per patch when you buy in bulk. so to get a cheap patch youd have to say buy 100 patches and then it would be around $5 to $10 a patch (just estimating) but thats about how it works

here is a link to a place i used before
http://www.apparel2000.net/index.html

OH! See, I was thinking they were going to order for a group to begin with *headdesk* Yeah, one-offs are hideous expensive. I'm working on building a new group and looking at memorabilia stuff and the like... and it ain't cheapies ;) BUt I knew that already. My budget just was too hopeful ;)