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DARTHMONKEY1706
03-20-2006, 06:19 PM
I was going thru ebay and i found this pritty cheap but powerful used computer pretty cool http://cgi.ebay.com/COMPAQ-DESKTOP-PC-WITH-MONITOR-AND-GAMES_W0QQitemZ8780639855QQcategoryZ51147QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Nightwing
03-20-2006, 06:45 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DARTHMONKEY1706

I was going thru ebay and i found this pritty cheap but powerful used computer pretty cool http://cgi.ebay.com/COMPAQ-DESKTOP-PC-WITH-MONITOR-AND-GAMES_W0QQitemZ8780639855QQcategoryZ51147QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That's no deal. 256 MB of RAM? Please...

And why is this a thread in the first place? What does it have to do with lightsabers, Star Wars, or anything else like that?

987654321a
03-20-2006, 06:46 PM
i have to agree with nightwing. go to www.alienware.com and u can find pretty cheap comps, that are powerful


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Jedi Ranger
03-20-2006, 07:03 PM
LOL - there's something "pretty cheap" at Alien Ware?!?!?!?!?!

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Nightwing
03-20-2006, 07:27 PM
No kidding. I could build a computer for cheaper than they're offering.

987654321a
03-20-2006, 07:44 PM
no if u sign up for their newsletters u get special deals :))))
and i got my comp for 2,200 bucks.

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wood7588
03-20-2006, 09:25 PM
$2200!!??!!??$2200!!??!! My first car didnt cost $2200. HEll the First computer I bought back in 94 was state of the art and only cost $2000. And that was when 4 megs of ram cost $300. And I had to walk to school in the snow, Uphill, both ways. And We didnt have any of these Nike shoes, we straped bark to our feet for shoes and we liked it! You kids get off my lawn!......

Sorry, I sort of lost it thinking about the past and the old man in me came out.

xwingband
03-20-2006, 09:33 PM
LOL, I'll jump on the "CHEAP?!?!" bandwagon. Polywell is a pretty good pre-built company, but just like your sabers they're better (and cheaper) home built.[:D]

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Do-Clo
03-20-2006, 09:48 PM
I would rather build my own pc than buy one pre built, that way I can build it the way I want it. The one I am using now is one that I built and I am considering building a new pc to take it's place after all it is a P4 2 gig, old machine now but it was state of the art when I built it. I used to have money for pc upgrades but now that I have a saber hobby I don't have spare money for the pc anymore, darn it. lol

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-21-2006, 12:45 AM
for me, it all depends on who the place is. prebuilts are ok, but i wont get one unless i know theyre work, know friends who have their stuff, and get some background on the place. if im satisfied with all that, then, and only then do i consider buyin a prebuilt.

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GeluKhanGharr
03-21-2006, 10:47 AM
Trackball - Logitech, keyboard - Compaq, 21" monitor - Nokia. Ok, so I ended up with these over time, didn't need new ones. No name on the tower. Full tower with a 500W power supply, bought at a yard sale for 15 bucks. 2 DVD +- re-write, Zip drive, multicard reader, floppy, 160Gb drive, 80Gb drive, 20Gb drive, 2.8Ghz CPU, 1Gb Ram, 533Mhz FSB. Video capture card with hardware MPEG2 encoder. Intel CPU on Intel MB. Built about 1 year ago for under 600. Prebuilt? Puhlease! I would have gotten half the power for that money. Prebuilts are for grandmas, not for jedi who make their own sabers...

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james3
03-21-2006, 11:23 AM
Here Here! The only two computers in my house that I didn't build are the wife and my laptops. She has had to repair/replace/rebuild enough of them at work to know that it's to much of a pain in the neck.

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Do-Clo
03-21-2006, 01:53 PM
I have bought a couple of cheap pc's from a place called discountpc.net and they have refurbished units all the time check them them out.

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virus692
03-21-2006, 09:48 PM
Strate up real Geeks Build their own computers. and if you build your own saber you ARE a GEEK. Build your own.. if you need cheap parts...


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xwingband
03-21-2006, 09:50 PM
nerd computer store +1

www.newegg.com [:p]

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tetmatek
03-22-2006, 12:03 AM
Man for the money savings build your own spend the savings on cool stuff like i got a dual vid card mother board 2 17 inch monitors,1 gig in ram,3/4 gig in video only ram. i just added a thermatake rocket for my 775 socket cpu so i can feel free ta overclock at my hearts content. pre built blows. every prebuilt i bought got taken apart cause my upgrades always had issues like: case won't accept cards cause its a mini piece o crap and my motherboard has no video agp or pci -e slot. Buy what ya want and put it together. i paint cars so computer bulding can't be brain surgery or i should get my lic. to practice medicine. LOL

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-22-2006, 09:29 AM
one place i will never get a pc from again, and thats DELL, they blow. originlly i had got the baddest biggest one they had at that time. and i had nuttin but probs with it. and after returning it and them sendin me another one, it too had probs. then i went to a pc pplace and had them build me a new one using what was useable from old unit. i now have a intel perl board with over 1 gig ram., and a 2.8 ghz cpu and a 160 gig hd and a 40 gig hd. and its been running for over 2 years without a prob. oh, also a 500 watt psu

so in a way, its prebuilt, but not too. i only had to buy a new MB and ram to fit it. i want a better vid card, but i got a 64 mb nvidia in it right now. i was lookin at a 6200 256 mb vid card i seen at comp usa for 160 bucks.

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xwingband
03-22-2006, 09:40 AM
You can't completely rag on Dell. It depends on the system and what you buy. If you're a bussiness Dell will bend over backwards for you. System fails. Replacement is sent within a day.

Pay for the XPS stuff same deal. ENGLISH tech support and fast turn around.

Laptops... I have one. Bussiness model, the Latitude line. It rocks because they don't make the parts and I can get super turnaround should it decide to die.

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vadeblade
03-22-2006, 11:12 AM
I think Dell's Tech Support is based in Hyderabad, India. Actually, I think most everyone's Tech Support is based in India.[:p]

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GeluKhanGharr
03-22-2006, 12:02 PM
off the subject:

Congrats on making it to knighthood, Vince! [;)]

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 01:38 AM
as i said, at the time i got the biggest one they had, the 8300. had all the bells and whistles too. and it was junk. kept blowing harddrives and psu's and finally took the mb out as well. i returned it, and they sent me a 8350, which was a newer one. after 2 months same story, psu's blowin up , and harddrives failin. then the mb too. and they tech support, puhleeese, i got some jerk from india, could hardly speak english every time i called them, i h got one, and the same rigamaroll, i want ya to do this and that, and im telling them, its blown the psu, or harddrive. they wont listen, if you dont do it, they wont do anything to solve the problem. that last time i just sat on phone waited a few seconds and said nope dont work on every question and thing they wanted me to do. i knew the problem, but ya cant tell themn that. so the tech, blows, and xwing is probably right, unless your a big business, they dont give a crud. personal owners, eh, so what, they could care less. i also know 2 others that got a del cuz i got mine, and they had systematic failures as well, coincidental? nah, just bad parts. if you dig into it, dell purchases all the components from whoever gives them the lowest bids. that maybe a good company, or most of the time its some crud outfit low inferior parts. its a fact. thats the reason i wont even have a dell in my house ever again.

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Tiberius172
03-23-2006, 08:35 AM
A little late but I second the Dell is Crap comment!!!

Plughh!!!!! Build your own and have twice the computer!

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Do-Clo
03-23-2006, 08:39 AM
I am not a fan of prebuilt computers as I have had to fix several different models that have died. I have built every computer that has been in our house with the exception of the wife's pc which is a Gateway that I bought for $100.00, I can't complain about the Gateway as it works well and the wife is very happy with it.

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james3
03-23-2006, 08:49 AM
The only Dells I have really messed with are the latitude laptops. I have a D600, and like xwing said since it's their business line if I have a problem it has been taken care of right away. I am guessing that with Dell these days it is more about the service contract than the hardware.

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GeluKhanGharr
03-23-2006, 12:14 PM
It is Dell we use at work and they are notoriously unreliable, particularly in the drive department. Both the desktops and the laptops. It is true however, that I haven't seen better customer support response from anyone else.

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xwingband
03-23-2006, 12:38 PM
And how many drive problems are operator error?[;)] Particularly in laptops.

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 03:45 PM
well, in mine, a desktop, it wasnt me, i know that for a fact. they had some brand of drive i never heard of before in there, which goes back to what i said, they get the stuff from the cheapest bidder to slap in the computers they make. at my work place, BAMA FROZEN DOUGH, where we make all the dough for PIZZA HUTS around the globe, they have compaq's there. the models they have arent the biggest fastest ones around, but they do seem reliable. there is 1 or 2 dells around there, and they crash more than run. hint.

so for me, at least, yeah i can rag on dell wholeheartedly. they bite!! unless your big business, then they seem to bend over backwards for you. but us personal home owners, they dont care, they make more money off the businesses than us.

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GeluKhanGharr
03-23-2006, 04:33 PM
I work at MCI...well, MCI until recently, now Verizon. They had a contract with DELL. The hardware guys had to change my desktop twice for recalls(meaning the whole machine was so bad overall they didn't bother changing individual components anymore) and twice for failed hard drives. The drive in the laptop failed me once. Ok, maybe I set it down a bit too hard once or twice, but I thought we were past the era where we were supposed to park the drives before moving them. So there it is - 5 times. In 5 years. One good thing came out of this, though: I've learned to back up everything I care about. Religiously!

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Do-Clo
03-23-2006, 04:35 PM
I have never owned a PC that I could call tech support on, I have been my own tech support. I have found one very usefull way to fix your pc, I hold up a screw driver in front of the moniter and remind the pc that I put it together and if it doesn't behave I will take it apart and build a better one, works everytime.[:D]


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xwingband
03-23-2006, 04:40 PM
Yes, I should backup... I've been waiting to get a large HD to run an FTP server and I'll probably have a few partitions, one to mirror my laptops drive.

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 04:50 PM
thats funny do-clo. but yeah, i too run backups. i use the 2003 version of norton ghost. it makes an entire image of drive. i have a 160 gig hd and a other drive in there thats not hooked up, my old one. but i run 2 partitions. one for the os, and one for everything else. that way the os dont get so fragged up. it still does, just not as bad as everything on 1 partition will do. ghost is pretty darn good too. i, just to see how good one time, reimaged from the backup i made. and everything worked and was in place where it should be. no broken links to anything. which will happen if you use the windows restore option. every time i ever used windows restore, i had busted links and stuff never worked afterwords. with ghost i never have this prob. and i now use dvd rw's for the backups. my drive, right now, backups up to 2 and a half dvd's. whereas, on cdrw's would take like 12 or more disks.

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GeluKhanGharr
03-23-2006, 05:01 PM
Ghost is Norton, Windoze is Microsoft. Jedi vs Sith, clear as day

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 05:11 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by LAN-ED-TUL
i use the 2003 version of norton ghost. ghost is pretty darn good too. everything worked and was in place where it should be. no broken links to anything. which will happen if you use the windows restore option. every time i ever used windows restore, i had busted links and stuff never worked afterwords. with ghost i never have this prob.

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aint that pretty much what i said? ghost good, windows bad.

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987654321a
03-23-2006, 06:17 PM
if u guys are talking about antivirus programs, norton antivirus sucks soooo bad, i mean dont waste your money on it, get lavasoft's adaware SE the free one, that works so good.

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 06:35 PM
adaware is not a antivirus prg. its an adware and spyware dectector remover. and i do have norton IS 2006 on mine and the wifes computer. and what we were talkin bout was ghost. a backup utility.

and yes, i know NIS2006 is a bit of a hog on resources, but my computer has enough memory and the proccessor is fast enough for my needs and with norton i dont really have any major slowness in my computer. i used to have mcaffe and that sucker drug my system to a crawl. i dont have that with norton, even tho its known to be a resource hog.

guess it just depends on personal preferences. what you like.

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Tenric Starkindler
03-23-2006, 07:18 PM
www.pricewatch.com
is another good place to comparison shop for PC deals (parts too).

My first PC was a gift and had issues OOB so I opened it up and fixed it...benn doing that ever since.....haven't yet bought a pre-build........though they're cheap enough now that I might...as long as they let me upgrade it under warranty.

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 07:24 PM
thats one of the other issues some prebuilts have. some are intergrated parts, so unless your like do-clo, you cant just go slappin parts around and replacing things. i dug into some info at the tulsa area gateway store. at that time, i found out they were intergrated systems, in other words, you couldnt go down and buy another vid card or hdd and slap it in. you had to bring it in there, and let their tech guys do it, cuz of the way the computers were put together.

now this info, came straight from the people at that gateway store. so take it for whats its worth, i was able to swap out stuff in a dell tho, myself. so you can upgrade somewhat on those. dont know bout the other brands.
i just looked at the price watch thing. and that is a fairly good prices there. you can setup a computer with whatever options and hardware you want. i played around with it and setup a system, a bad sucker, high end one, and it only run 1560. so this place is a good way to get one built, and you choose what you want in it. good find there...


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Do-Clo
03-23-2006, 07:37 PM
Compaq, Dell, HP, IBM, and most brand name computers use properitery parts in their systems that can not be replaced because the parts only fit in their machine, many times the motherboards and cases are special and can not be replaced by anything else. I have had many of these things apart and had to tell people that their system was dead and had to be replaced. If I buy a name brand system I buy it used for a cheap price that way if it dies they I just buy another because they are cheap enough. Every pc at work is a used pc that was bought cheap most for about $100 or less.

Windows 2000 good Windows XP bad

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 07:53 PM
thank you do-clo, for backing up my statement.
actually i heard as far as the better os went, windows 98 was the better one. i heard 2000 sucked, and i know xp aint that great either, but im stuck with it. and this new vista os comin out, from what i hear will force everyone to have to get a new machine if they want to be able to use the vistas complete capacity. somethin about the "glass" windowing it does. ya have to get a 64 bit cpu. so that means, another maninboard, probabaly new mem, since the old ones probably wont fit new mainboard. so on and so on......
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Do-Clo
03-23-2006, 08:13 PM
Windows 2000 is the best operating system I have used, more stable than XP and a lot less garbage added in like XP. I use Windows 2000 pro in all of my computers, except my laptop which is running Windows 98. My laptop is an old Toshiba that I bought for $60 when my other one died and I took the two and made one.

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xwingband
03-23-2006, 08:22 PM
XP is not bad now that they got the stupid security issues out of the way. I think the layouts they choose are just one big messup. I turned off all of the XP junk and returned it to the 2000 feel.

Vista... an even bigger messup from what I've seen. The higher standards will be again to power all the eye-candy... stuff I'll be turning off. When I want to play with my interface I mess with Ubuntu Linux. I don't think 64 bit is a requirement but in all likelyhood dual cores will be needed to not have it lag just loading.[xx(]

Anyone new to comps and wants to build one should go for shells. They've got the mobo, processor and case all wired up. You drop the rest in and it's done. Easy for us saber builders.[:)]

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 08:24 PM
hmm, weird, i was always told by computer folk, techs and such, 2000 wasnt that great and 98 was better. oh well, doesnt matter that much to me, i have xp on both computers here at home.

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Do-Clo
03-23-2006, 08:28 PM
Lan you may be thinking of Windows ME which is about the worst mess ever created and it was released about the year 2000.

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 08:33 PM
that is what i do on ours here. i turn off the security center. disable it, cuz i run NIS2006, and spyware blaster, adaware se, and spybot search and destroy. i havent had anything bad get on here for along time now. oh, i get the spyware crap and adaware and spybot nails those down. blaster keeps alot of it from getiin there in the first place. so its kinda like each prg, being a filter of sorts.

and i was even involved in doing HJT training. hijack this is a prg to run and locate lines in the windows registry that are not supposed to be there, slapped there by adware and spyware, and some trojans and viruses.

and xwing, thats kinda my impression too of vista.

good idea on the computer building. i like the link that tenric put up too. i played with it building it with parts it listed i wanted and i could actually get a top notch system for less than what i paid for that cruddy dell at the time i got it.

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LAN-ED-TUL
03-23-2006, 08:36 PM
nah, i remember ME2000 i know that ones crud. no, i mean the 2000 version. i was told that by computer techs around my area. not just at one place, but about 5 to 6 different places said the same thing. thats just what they told me, so dont shoot the messenger, please?

i dunno want to get cut down before the convention. (hiding behind, chair) lol

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Do-Clo
03-23-2006, 08:50 PM
Most tech people think that XP is the holy grail, I see it all the time no offense Lan. I had XP pro and when my hard drive died I switched back to 2000.

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xwingband
03-23-2006, 08:52 PM
Since I mentioned it anyone mess with linux? I've been playing with Ubuntu.

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Do-Clo
03-23-2006, 08:59 PM
I have a server built up using linux, I haven't had time to put it into service yet, another one of my many projects.

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xwingband
03-23-2006, 09:03 PM
Cool, I have an oldie I'll probably make into a server but I'm hoping whenever we upgrade our one at home that I can turn it into a MythTV box.[:D]

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james3
03-23-2006, 09:05 PM
I am in the middle of redoing the house but my favorite setup is with a clark connect box and then you don't need a ton of spyware and AV programs running all the time. The best thing is I get a firewall, router, print server, etc. and it doesn't cost a dime.[:D]

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james3
03-23-2006, 09:08 PM
I have ubuntu partioned on my kitchen puter but I haven't messed with it much yet, been on there for several months but I'm lazy.

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tetmatek
03-23-2006, 10:20 PM
Has a nyone toyed with a RAID array. I use alot of heave graphics and i want to spread everything out and be able to pull from 3 drives. I think it will the way for mr to go. I have had DELL in my business and at home. Don't waste any money with them. Service is usually better if ya have a machine built locally. Until i was building my own if i had a problem he was right there to fix it not on the phone. Best to choose a good mother board with all the suff you can get now but will upgrade to all your other wants

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xwingband
03-23-2006, 10:28 PM
RAID wouldn't give that much of a boost for graphics because you aren't accessing images across drives. If you mean games for graphics (which I doubt) SLI is basically the same thing. For stuff like rendering and animation, etc... graphics is all about a fast processor and MEMORY out the wazoo. OR if you meant video editing yes a RAID 0 setup would be awesome, but it's dangerous because if one goes you're screwed. RAID 0+1 is cool but requires 5 drives.

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tetmatek
03-25-2006, 10:13 AM
Hey xWing will it speed up accessing files by spreading everything out? I keep alot of pics,Music, Movies etc. ya know the stuff that eats up memory. Not to mention games. I have near a gig of ddr3 vid memory so that works great. I f it ever slows i have liquid cooling so i can overclock if i need. (havn't needed yet!) with 2 monitors i can game and surf or what ever. It can be cool with real time strategy games online.

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xwingband
03-25-2006, 10:20 AM
Yup, accessing across multiple drives helps speed it up. That'd be a RAID 0 setup where you have at least two identical drives.

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tetmatek
03-25-2006, 10:33 AM
Cool Thanx!

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