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cjarmst
02-15-2006, 07:54 AM
I believe I have the info on the world market blade film that GeluKhanGharr referenced in this thread:
http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/sabers/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=205
I dropped by our local world market last night and they had a ton of it (at least I think it is the right stuff). Don't want to step on his toes though.. so if he gives the OK I'll post pictures of it, the maker, etc..
I've looked at the manufacturer's website and although only available in 30" x 20' rolls at the world market, they sell it in much larger rolls, at widths up to 40". It is clear and listed as 1 mil.. my micrometer last night measured 0.0010".

thanks

Madcow
02-15-2006, 01:04 PM
I also was inspired by Gelus' idea. I went to Michaels craft store and bout a roll of the clear shrink wrap for decorative baskets. So far my experiments are going well. I have uses steel wool to "texture" the part of the film that will be at the blade's dimmest part. this has allowed me to control where the film diffuses light the most. the result is a remarkably even LED blade!

I'll share pics when I can get them.

MC



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GeluKhanGharr
02-15-2006, 02:31 PM
cjarmst
How in the World (Market) did you find the manufacturer/supplier for this store? My labels only say "World Market gift wrap clear 30" X 20' Continuous roll" Nothing about who makes it. Anyway, I found the magic word! Boys and girls, look for clear POLYPROPYLENE. That's what I used. Is that what you found cjarmst?

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cjarmst
02-15-2006, 03:17 PM
I was lucky enough to find both label types (yes there are 2, apparently both from the same manufacturer). Here are some pics.

http://home.comcast.net/~chrisnalicia/Saber/DSC00097.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~chrisnalicia/Saber/DSC00099.JPG

They both have the same bar code.
bar code: 2025 1178
sku: 25117
The tan label actually gives the manufacturer. It is:

Temkin Intl, Inc.
302 West 900 North
Springville, UT 84663

Their website is: http://www.temkininternational.com/index.html

If you go under Products->Rolls->Consumer Rolls, you will see
your film there in all manner of widths and lengths.
Hope that helps some folks out!

xwingband
02-15-2006, 04:27 PM
Holy smokes I looked POLYPROPYLENE up on McMasters (Part 1451T61)... $217.78 for a 100 foot roll.

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cjarmst
02-15-2006, 04:33 PM
The world market stuff is much cheaper.. $2.50 for a 20' roll [8D]

xwingband
02-15-2006, 04:40 PM
I did mention being fire retardant so maybe that's it.

EDIT: Yup, found it much cheaper here. 3500' for under $100.[8D]
http://www.papermart.com/Templates/page.asp?GOCMP=Papermart%5FCampaign+%231&GOMTC=Phrase&GOKEY=polypropylene+film&PAGE=47-0-15

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Usernames suck
02-15-2006, 08:58 PM
I just went and bought some of this. Do I need to wrap it in layers and put it around the MR diffuser?

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xwingband
02-15-2006, 09:20 PM
That's not what Gelu does but you might as well try it and take pics. I've heard of Corbin using his film on the inside of the diffuser but the outside might be better (even the light out then the film would give it a core).

I believe Gelu stated when this was first brought up that he took about 9 feet of the stuff and wrapped it around a dowel and pushed it in.

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Usernames suck
02-15-2006, 09:22 PM
Thanks for the info.


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LAN-ED-TUL
02-16-2006, 02:19 AM
i think corbin just rolls up the film and shoves it in poly c. i have one of his strips, 3 inches wide rolled it and stuck it up the polyc and those super bright pics of the vader saber i posted, remember them?, thats with corbins film stuck in a polyc tims blade. no other diffuser than that.

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Cyambin
02-16-2006, 02:09 PM
I was about to build one with iridescent film but you beat me to it. Dang. [8D] Well now I know where to get the good stuff.

Madcow
02-21-2006, 03:51 PM
Here's a pic of my saber using PCV film I got at Michaels. I cut the film intp 34" x 30" sheets and buffed them with steel wool in a pattern that means more light is diffused in the dim spot.
http://www.freewebs.com/genesis_sabers/Polycarb%20saber%20blade.JPG

Only problem is that the shiny look of the film reflects ambient light.

MC



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Usernames suck
02-21-2006, 09:14 PM
I just tried this a couple of days and I can't figure out why it won't work. Could you post some pics of you putting it together MadCow?

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xwingband
02-21-2006, 09:20 PM
What's not working? Wrap it around a dowel and shove the stuff in.[:p]

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Usernames suck
02-21-2006, 09:46 PM
oh i was using smaller than a dowel rod. I knew i should have used something that 3/4' in diameter. Thanks

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taekwonno
02-22-2006, 01:26 AM
Wow thats damn near as bright as those Hyperdyne blades.

supertrogdor
02-27-2006, 04:01 PM
I'll post a comparison pic when I get a chance, but I found a substantial difference in brightness between Michaels shrink wrap and the clear celophane (which i believe was polypropylene) that I used in my most recent experiment. I got it from a florist shop and for the price of a junior bacon cheeseburger they gave me 4 yards. The difference in the two films was astounding.
Cheers

supertrogdor
03-02-2006, 10:29 AM
michaels shrink wrap
picture taken in a room with 1 halogen lamp on the lowest powered option (roughly 20%) for the bottom 4 pictures, shrunk down in this image
http://media.livedigital.com/pictures/91/b3/91b3fa13a8679cea0a1f98f9e3b84c85.JPG

florist shop celophane
the afore mentioned lamp was turned on to full power, otherwise the only thing that came through was light from the saber, but the detail here allows for the more evenness of the blade lighting to be seen, still a dim spot, but nowhere near as bad as it was
http://media.livedigital.com/pictures/4c/be/4cbe4f1a694876bafcdfd60479765f73_rs.JPG
there is also a couple extra shots of the hilts detail

ill happily take any questions or comments
cheers

supertrogdor
03-08-2006, 04:43 PM
got Tim's diffuser tube in yesterday, time to do some more comparison pictures

Protein5000
03-08-2006, 11:31 PM
Just got 3 rolls of the clear polypropylene. I went to the florist and she said they can't sell it to me coz they get it on a massive $200 roll. The I went to the news agent and she said "We've got celophane" so I went and had a look - they had a huge pile of the stuff. it says "Non-adhesive covers. Clear Polypropylene 2.0m X 450mm. It was $1.50 per roll. I did take a look at the stuff the florist was using and it was more crinckly and not so smooth and looks like it would be a pain to handle so I'm sure it was different stuff. Anyway - was easier to find than I thought!

Less talk, more action........

supertrogdor
03-09-2006, 09:57 AM
News agent?

UltraSWG
03-09-2006, 02:03 PM
Are there seams when using this stuff?

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xwingband
03-09-2006, 03:22 PM
Yeah, there tecnically is but in the amounts it's layered it looks silver and you can't tell.

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supertrogdor
03-10-2006, 10:22 AM
if you only do a few layers of either the michaels wrap or the thicker polypropylene you will see a seam, but if you layer it sufficiently (without overdoing it, which ends up blocking the light) it would take an exceptionally well trained eye at very close range in the dimmer section to see the seam

the_steve
03-31-2006, 11:10 PM
Well i just bought a 30" wide roll of 9 feet of clear gift wrap. It says cellophane on the package, and ut still looks chrome like it should. I just picked it up at wal-mart. I am kinda worried about the 30 inch length, but since i am only 5 feet tall, i guess it is proportionate to me[:I]. But do you guys think 9 feet of it inside will do the trick? I am probably gonna roll it around a piece of EMT pipe to get it in the blade tomorrow and test the brightness before i commit and cut the blade down. Wish me luck.

xwingband
04-01-2006, 08:33 AM
30' is not a problem. Cut it horizontally in 3 sections. Vadeblade did it with the mylar because the 40" rolls were too expensive.

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the_steve
04-01-2006, 09:02 AM
I'm not sure what you mean. What will that do? Will it let me keep the long blade? I don't think i want to further complicate things so i might as well just cut down the blade.

xwingband
04-01-2006, 09:12 AM
No, instead cutting vertically along the roll at 30" cut it along the width and you can get whatever length you need for the blade. You'd just have to put 3 sections of it in there as opposed to one big roll of it. Do it one at a time and it's probably easier.

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the_steve
04-01-2006, 10:18 AM
Okay, i am trying to dow what you said. I cut it too length and it is laying flat on my table. I Can't get it to wrap around the damn pipe. If i hold the two ends of the film tightly down against the pipe, the middle of it sticks out so if i continue rolling it, the middle doesn't go under the tube like it should, but it just catches and crinkles. [:(!][:(!]

Do-Clo
04-01-2006, 10:32 AM
Steve it will take an extra set of hands to roll that film around the tube. That is the only way I have been able to do it.

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the_steve
04-01-2006, 11:14 AM
Crap. I just managed to get it somewhat on the tube, then i realised that i have no rod or tube small enough to go inside with the gift wrap wrapped around it. How small of a rod so you guys use? Since i have to do three rounds, it has to be small enough to go back in when there is gift wrap already in it.

Do-Clo
04-01-2006, 11:18 AM
I use a wooden dowel rod, if you are using a 1" blade then 1/2" or 3/8" dowel rod should work.

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the_steve
04-01-2006, 11:31 AM
Okay. I am gonna need to get one. My dad is at work right now, and he said he would try to find something small enough and bring it home.

One more question. Does seam show at all? My caclulations show that i will have about 7.5 feet of wrap inside the tube. Will a seam show through that much? Since i will have 3 seperate wraps inside, i would end up with something like 6 seams. And i also didn't cut too straight with the scissors.

Do-Clo
04-01-2006, 11:42 AM
The may some when you are up close to the blade but it shouldn't be noticable from a distance. If it looks bad just cut some more wrap and try again. A straight edge and a xacto knife will give you a nice clean cut.

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the_steve
04-01-2006, 04:43 PM
I made a slight miscalculation. I didn't have enough polypropylene for three rounds, but i got in 5 feet of it. It still looks great with my lux flashlight, and even an LED upgraded maglite with a blue color filter lights it up. I haven't tried my actual hilt yet, because it is on the charger.

GeluKhanGharr
04-02-2006, 02:41 AM
I haven't tried multiple sheets, but if you just get one long sheet, then the seam is almost invisible, no matter how wobbly you cut it. My advice would be to scater the seams, not align them.
BTW, did you guys see my comparisson pics here:
http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/sabers/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=689

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the_steve
04-02-2006, 10:41 AM
Yes i did. I even posted in it.