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erv
12-19-2007, 02:00 AM
Hi !
I'm posting in a new topic, hoping that it's going to be turned into a sticky so that everyone has a chance to read it, instead of burying it inside the 47 page topic about buttered toast.

As most of you know, I've soldered by hand close to 60 boards for the latest batch of CF 3.0. I really can't do that anymore. First because of the time it takes, second because I'm having some change in my day job, I'll move to another research department to focus on gestural research and sensor technology, and I might have less time, and third because the new motion sensor I'm using is difficult to solder despite of my experience.

I'm currently looking for some manufacturers to get my boards made in bigger quantities, but before I can ask for real quotes, I need to fetch for the number of possibly interested people.
So : please send me an email (NO PRIVATE MESSAGES) or use the contact form of the website, INDICATE IN THE SUBJECT "Crystal focus Interest" and include
- your pseudo
- your name
- your location / country
- How many board(s) you are willing to purchase

I'm going to reach people also using my "product notification". Please don't answer twice :wink:

Thanks,
Erv'

pipster79
12-19-2007, 04:18 AM
wow i get to be the first to reply :)


I live in ontario canada and my name is Chriss
I would definitly want 1 or 2. Thanks erv

erv
12-19-2007, 05:58 AM
pipster,
you only the first for NOT READING my instruction :?:
Thanks for deleting your post and follow my instructions...
Erv'

Barmic Rin
12-19-2007, 08:00 AM
Well, SOME of us read a post or Email fully before replying! :D

(sent mine earlier Erv! I'm not in a rush for mine, but definitely have my cash winging it's way to you soon!)

erv
12-19-2007, 01:23 PM
that's really good, I'm getting a lot of anwsers. Thanks everyone for showing up, that will definitly help.

key points :
- for sure, I'm not going to order "just the quantity". Probably twice the quantity, and even more.

- be sure I understand that for some of you, Crystal Focus is a ghost, and you've missed all the batches. Well, I'll say that in 2 years I built more than 300 boards, that's close to 3 per week. Not bad for a single person :lol: The thing is that it started slowly, but most of the 300 boards have been made in about a year actually.

- the idea is to order enough to get a good prince, but not to store boards for too long, simply because firmware & software isn't everything : what would I do with many unsold boards when I want to make a new hardware version (if micro SD becomes affordable for instance).

- to those who said in their email "I'm interested but not before march", don't worry : manufacturing a board takes several month, even if it's more or less an established design. I need to get a quote (1 month in general), discuss the shipping options, fund the whole thing and send the green light to start the manufacturing process, then receive the boards. I'm going to start NOW, but think about march as a possible ETA

Again, thanks for your interest, CF is rising "BECAUSE" you are using it :wink:

erv
12-19-2007, 01:24 PM
that's really good, I'm getting a lot of anwsers. Thanks everyone for showing up, that will definitly help.

key points :
- for sure, I'm not going to order "just the quantity". Probably twice the quantity, and even more.

- be sure I understand that for some of you, Crystal Focus is a ghost, and you've missed all the batches. Well, I'll say that in 2 years I built more than 300 boards, that's close to 3 per week. Not bad for a single person :lol: The thing is that it started slowly, but most of the 300 boards have been made in about a year actually.

- the idea is to order enough to get a good price, but not to store boards for too long, simply because firmware & software isn't everything : what would I do with many unsold boards when I want to make a new hardware version (if micro SD becomes affordable for instance).

- to those who said in their email "I'm interested but not before march", don't worry : manufacturing a board takes several month, even if it's more or less an established design. I need to get a quote (1 month in general), discuss the shipping options, fund the whole thing and send the green light to start the manufacturing process, then receive the boards. I'm going to start NOW, but think about march as a possible ETA

- thanks to all you guys who took the time to send me kind messages in this christmas season, to writing some warm words + kuddows

Again, thanks ALL for your interest, CF is rising "BECAUSE" you are using it :wink:

Novastar
12-19-2007, 03:14 PM
E-mail sent. Topic = STICKIED.

I'll do whatever I can in order to help... :)

virus692
12-19-2007, 04:01 PM
Behold the power of mass production. Soon the ghost will be no longer. and we all will be one step closer to real sabers.

erv
12-20-2007, 03:25 AM
So... I had like an average of 80 boards, at least. Thanks for that, it's going to help a lot to get a quote rapidly. I'm going to contact a compagny today I think.
Erv'

strengthofrage
12-20-2007, 10:30 AM
Hi Erv,

I am looking for your email info, I didnt see one on your profile and I looked on your website... Could someone direct me to the email address? I also have not used the 'contact form' yet and am unsure where/what it is.

Pre-appologising for the noobsauce question

Jedi Ranger
12-20-2007, 11:39 PM
sales @ plecterlabs.com

Just remove the spaces around the @ symbol. ;)

Erv, I have sent my email reply, too.

DACOTA
12-21-2007, 03:44 PM
A pseudo is your forum name right?

Jedi Ranger
12-21-2007, 05:13 PM
A pseudo is your forum name right?

Yes.

Darth_DevilGuy
01-02-2008, 04:56 PM
anyone know the roundabout price for the boards? it doesn't say on the plectorlabs site, and I'd kind of like to know what I'm getting myself into before I sign on the dotted line:D

Lord Maul
01-02-2008, 04:59 PM
They come to about $140 in the U.S.

Darth_DevilGuy
01-02-2008, 05:17 PM
ouch thats way outta my price range just assembling a hilt for 140 hits my wallet kinda hard

strengthofrage
01-02-2008, 05:25 PM
The price might seem a bit high but the CF boards are insane... Ferrari's tend to be a bit more expensive

vortextwist
01-02-2008, 05:25 PM
they actually went up LM, the last one I got was total of 167.00 with shipping.

DACOTA
01-03-2008, 12:54 PM
Erv, shouldnt the price go down once they are mass produced?

Thats usually the standard thing to happen with mass produced items.

Stinky Bantha
01-03-2008, 01:36 PM
Dacota, the last batch weren't mass produced if you were referring to vortex's post. If not.... the price may not go down noticably depending on how many are made.

xwingband
01-03-2008, 01:56 PM
Erv, shouldnt the price go down once they are mass produced?

Thats usually the standard thing to happen with mass produced items.

If they are mass produced in HIGH quantities... thousands not a hundred or so.

If you couldn't afford it before I wouldn't count on this to drop the price. Reasons: A) He stated that components would need to be green compliant B) The falling price of the USD, realized the last ones were more like $160 even though the price is still 100 Euro C) Quantity, I took a CAD course that dealt with manufacturing and we learned cost analysis and it takes thousands to make true automated manufacture viable. Even 200 boards is chump change to even a small board manufacturer.

If you want the best, don't balk at the price.

DACOTA
01-04-2008, 05:43 PM
Well I understand your point, but I wasnt balking, I just was wondering if the price would go down, if it did well thats great but if not then I dont care, I will still be getting one.

In my opinion the cf is a million times better than the ultrabaord, so the cf is definately worth $60 more.

Novastar
01-04-2008, 06:13 PM
Most manufacturers require a minimum of 1000 pieces before dropping the price in any significant way, and X is exactly right... there are other issues at play once you go from "home made" to "corporate giant" so-to-speak.

I ought to know... man, did I get overwhelmed by all of that when *I* was looking into making the Ns5 project. I simply couldn't afford to risk making 1000 boards for two main reasons... 1... I don't even know if I could MARKET to 1000 people, and 2... even if the board only cost $50 to build... that $50,000 to drop quickly, only to be SLOWLY be making it back as the PCB sold one by one. I could afford maybe $6000 to $10000... but 50G? heeeeeecccccck no. Can't do it alone.

Oh, and don't forget marketing. Who wants to make 1000 boards when you have *NO* marketing campaign. And I am not talking about forums and a simple website and a few people shouting good things. I'm talking newspaper ads, mass web ads, integration with most all things SW, mailings, targeting "SW nerds" and all that. Not even to mention... as we ALL know... most of us "SW nerds" don't have a ton of $$$ to blow on expensive toys. Only a small percentage.

But hey... when I win the lottery... :) (Oops, I don't play...)

Obi-Dar Ke-Gnomie
01-06-2008, 01:34 PM
So, how will this work Erv?

Do you need a deposit to help you pay for the production?

Will you just announce that they are ready, and it's first come, first served, or do those who sent an e-mail get notified first? I know that you said you are going to make plenty, but I can imagine that they will still sell out pretty quickly.

strengthofrage
01-06-2008, 03:15 PM
I was wondering this also. I just kinda guessed that those of us that replied to Erv with those initial emails were put on a waiting list type of thing like the Ultra Sound email thing...

Novastar
01-08-2008, 06:00 AM
I think I can safely say that Erv now has more of an INTEREST list. I don't think Erv is very comfortable taking 50% (or any percent) of people's payments PRIOR to the creation of his products... especially when payment doesn't necessarily guarantee part availability and so forth.

There is a difference between Erv's way of thinking and others with "waiting" or "pre-order" lists. I could probably start speaking of why I am in agreement with Erv's choice to do this over other businesses choices... but it is what it is.

And let's get this back on track:

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ERV WROTE: ...before I can ask for real quotes, I need to fetch for the number of possibly interested people.
So : please send me an email (NO PRIVATE MESSAGES) or use the contact form of the website, INDICATE IN THE SUBJECT "Crystal focus Interest" and include
- your pseudo
- your name
- your location / country
- How many board(s) you are willing to purchase

I'm going to reach people also using my "product notification".
****Please don't answer twice****

Thanks,
Erv'
-----------------------------------------

I sincerely hope we can get CF rolling well... but the saber community is much smaller than many of us think. Especially when the SOLE mass-marketing... comes from/came from Lucasfilm/Lucasarts and MR.

Obi-Dar Ke-Gnomie
01-08-2008, 10:33 AM
I just thought that it might cost him a lot of money to get these rolling, and a deposit might help. Whatever. I sent him the message when he first asked, so I'll just wait patiently until they're ready.

strengthofrage
01-08-2008, 10:38 AM
The old school Hientz kecthup commercials come to mind lol ..."good things come..."

DarthFender
01-09-2008, 08:06 AM
The old school Hientz kecthup commercials come to mind lol ..."good things come..."

I was thinking of the other one...

Anticipation.

erv
01-12-2008, 05:52 AM
hi folks, sorry for not being there often enough.
To answer some of your questions :
- I'll probably get the quote from the manufacturer next week. Why it took so long : xmas vacation, time required to find the right compagny and avoid wasting time with silly ones (hopefully, someone helped me to filter quickly), a few days more to establish a commercial relationship with the compagny and providing a viable manufacturing file, then waiting for the price they propose me.
- xwing is right : 1000 units is a kind of breakpoint. You'll always low down the price between 4 and 20, and between 20 and 50, and bw 50 and 100. Then 100 or 200 are the same, next real significant price discount is about 500 then 1000.
- I honnestly have NO IDEA of what the compagny will propose me. Maybe it's definitly too high. I'm neither stupid nor a crook : I'll never sell the board 200 euros "just because the manufacturing process costs me a harm and a leg".
- Until now, I was getting just the PCB manufactured, the price was good. Then I was buying the price thru an internet shop, got some discount, but I know that I was not getting the best. It's like ordering 100 parts from jameco, it's cheaper than when buying just one, but it's probably still the double price if you were buying from the manufacturer and that you are a manufacturing compagny.
- understanding that, I don't really expect that the cost price will be lower than when I was making them by hand. We will see. Even if it's a bit higher than before, I'm ready to accept a certain amount, since I'll be saving a lot of time.
- Would be different by ordering 1000 of board. But, as nova said, the market is not that big. Sure, I'm going to sell 100 quickly, but I can't think about having a stock of 500 and sell them in 2 years. First because it's "wasted money". CF boards on the shelf is money that is sleeping not very well. Second because I might need/want to improve CF again and again and getting stuck by the hardware is a problem. What do you do then with the "old" version : you have to discount them. Third because it's my first personnal manufacturing process. I've done such a thing at work, for the lab, with batches of 50 units. Now it's my personnal cash, can't take the risk to invest $10,000 or $20,000 (some of you won't understand that, but I have a family life, and relationship to money, bank etc isn't the same in europe and in the US, and I'm definitly not going to ask for a loan to produce those)
- I'm not taking the cash of anyone before I can get the boards in my hand. I'm the one that take the responsability for those. I can't see myself asking people to pay, then have to refund everybody because none of my boards work. Be sure it happends. Sh%t happens. I've always worked like that : no pre order. All I can say is that I'll order enough so that there's even more than the interest list I've been creating.

so... i'll do my best to make it happen. The goal is to sell the batch in a reasonnable amount of time not because of money aspects, but because it will represent the technology of now/today and it has to be real time, instead of being stored in 1000s of units.
If you compare with MR : have you noticed that even the yoda saber hasn't a different sound font than the luke ep 6 for instance... ? simply because MR payed for a sound chip / board master controller (the little IC buried under the black resin, on the MR board) that was produced in thousands of units, and they reused it for various saber. Can't tell by heart, cause I'm not a specialist of MR stuff, but I don't think a lot of different sound boards were produced. Again, I'm talking about the sound, NOT about the shape or wiring of the PCB.

More soon,
thanks for reading
Erv'

DarthFender
01-13-2008, 09:24 AM
Erv,
In my house we prefer to say: "Sith Happens!".

We all understand that you are trying to get us the best possible product while keeping yourself out of the poor house. You just keep up the good work. Hope it all goes well the the manufacturer.

EDIT: Woohoo!!! Finally Force aware!

erv
01-13-2008, 10:47 AM
lol, that's a good one... in the same idea I love to call a "lost jedi on internet"... a web sith ;)

erv
01-19-2008, 07:43 AM
Some more news... unfortunatly not as good as I would have wished...
Got several quotes from different compagnies from different countries.
Each time it costs a lot of money, no doubt about it.
Difference between 100 to 200 boards is $2. Difference between 200 and 500 boards is about $1.
In a nutshell :
- all compagnies charge more or less the same for the tooling.
- european compagnies : huge assembly cost.
- asian compagnies : cheap assembly cost but expensive parts and shipping.

The things is that most of the parts I use are quality parts. They can't really be replaced by made-in-china parts, except some capacitors and resistors, but the impact on the price is ridiculous. China isn't the manufacturer or owner of the important and expensive parts I use.
My second deception is that when I see the proposed cost of the parts, it's sometimes the double of what I spend when I buy them myself. I get better deals when I order by 100 myself. It's not a 10 or 20% difference, it cost sometimes the double.
Then : shipping cost. When you ship stuff that cost several thousands of $ you can't rely on the normal post office. It's UPS (or equivalent) or nothing, and you get the taxes when receiving the package (25% at least).
Whatever I choose, it cost 3 times the current price, but still without the SD + holder + speaker. I just can't forward that cost to the user, for sure, and please understand I have to get a little something for making / inventing / further developping this board.

I've spent 2 days thinking about that. I'm going to continue to produce those boards myself. The only thing is the motion sensor. I've therefore ordered some soldering paste and I'm going to buy an hot air station and learn how to use it.
Show must go on, and sabersmithes are starving.
In a few days, as soon as I get the confirmation I can get some more SD cards, I'll order the PCB and I'll start a batch of 100 (2 batches of 50 probably). March is a good idea of the ETA, if I don't have any problem to get some parts.

Erv'

vortextwist
01-19-2008, 07:54 AM
well I'm sure all of us are glad you tried. I'm sure we're all equally glad you decided to make them yourself (seems more personal) though don't run yourself down doin it! We all love your boards but we also like to see you around. Good luck erv!

Angelus Lupus
01-19-2008, 08:05 AM
I think the real solution is obvious: Erv needs slaves... I mean minions....apprentices?
:)

Jedi Cloud
01-19-2008, 09:46 AM
I'll be his apprentice. Though I think he would just force choke me and laugh.:(..... :) kinda funny.

Malaki Skywalker
01-19-2008, 10:59 AM
Its a shame, but you done a good job Erv looking for a company! something good comes out of something bad, so i guess good things come to those who wait, CF comes to those who wait ;)

sekrogue1985
01-19-2008, 11:40 AM
well hmmm ouch oh well maybe erv should let those guys who havn't gotten the board yet get one before the bulk of us who have one or more of the crystal focus core to order idk. I have a friend that always too late on ordering it or doesn't hear about it till too late. he travels a lot and is never around his computer much but yeah. until he saw my CFC he didn't think they existed. but yeah just a thought.

Count Malik
01-19-2008, 11:53 AM
Same here I ether don't have the money or I miss the batch. I have done the 2 times now. But CFC is something I would dream of haveing. But mabe in March I can get one before they run out.

erv
01-19-2008, 12:36 PM
The "slave" question has been mentionned and partially discussed on fx-sabers :mrgreen:
Some also mentionne that I should go on Kamino to get clonned in order to work faster, héhé...
I know that some folks haven't been able to get a CF. It's not that they are rare, but I admit the demand is becoming quite important.
I've been looking for some semi industrial solutions I could afford. I still have the plan to build my own reflow oven but "baking" the boards is not what would really save time for building them : manual placement is incredibly time consuming and buying a placement robot is simply out of the question.
More soon !
Erv'

Darth_DevilGuy
01-19-2008, 02:30 PM
don't you love it when manufacturers try to gouge you on parts costs? that sucks man, but at least you tried.

Sethski
01-20-2008, 07:13 PM
Aw, that's a shame not to have a better outcome... cheers at least for investigating the whole thing, and I guess we'll just have to keep our eyes peeled when a new small batch is imminent. I know I have plans for another one...

I don't know if it's any help, but I think re taxes, etc if you were sending parts out to Asia from Europe you can fill in paperwork so that you don't get charged tax on the value of anything you've sent out (or else can claim it back), only on the cost of parts bought from there and plus cost of services/added value of what you sent out as a result of services.

I just wondered if that made it any more feasible as is it would avoid some of the tax cost and expense of components in Asia, but benefit from the cheaper assembly cost. I appreciate you'd still get hit with some tax and the shipping costs that might make it infeasible.

It's stuff I had to find out about a while ago - as I remember for the UK there are regulations/procedures called "outward processing relief" and "inward processing relief" when you're sending stuff in and out of Europe to be worked on.

There's some stuff on the relevant UK/EU regulations here for avoiding charges on stuff you've sent out to be processed, I think the way it works is pretty consistent across the EU, though not 100% on that:

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageImport_InfoGuides&propertyType=document&id=HMCE_CL_000225 (http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageImport_InfoGuides&propertyType=docu)

It's probably stuff you've already checked out, but I thought it was worth a mention in case it was helpful.

Novastar
01-21-2008, 05:57 AM
Hey, maybe Novastar can finally quit teaching sabre fencing, put BOP III to rest, move to France, and work in tandem with Maestro Erv!

:)

Hmm... if only. If only I had the knowledge on how to solder like Erv, put the boards together like Erv... to be honest, I *DO* have spare hours here... but man, it would be a long time before I could produce any good or fast work!

strengthofrage
01-21-2008, 07:10 AM
Erv, I commend you for your efforts. A lot of people would shy away from the research and development you've done so far, it is impressive the lenghts you have gone to so far to further your invention.

Well done Sir :)

Novastar
01-22-2008, 02:44 AM
To Strength of Rage you listen! Mind what learned you have--save you it can! :)

tayjuswinn
02-18-2008, 10:01 PM
Erv-

I may have missed it, but has there been any discussion on Soundboard kits? I'm thinking along the lines of http://www.buildyourownclone.com - they provide guitar pedal kits with parts, boards, etc and download instructions. I've made several of these pedals and it works out pretty well. I don't know how complicated the build process is for the soundboard, but if it's a matter of populating and soldering, this could be an approach.

erv
02-19-2008, 12:43 AM
since I used to play the guitar, and even built electronic devices such as fx pedals etc, I appreciate the link ! did not know that one :grin:
However, Crystal Focus is totally made of SMD, and a kit is out of the question, for soldering skills first, exponential technical support second, and impossibility to package the parts as a kit third.
SMDs are nice, but they are provided on tapes and identification of the parts sometimes requieres a magnifier and/or the datasheet.

Erv'

tayjuswinn
02-19-2008, 07:15 AM
And tweezers! :D

Marsupial
02-19-2008, 10:36 AM
soldering smd is an art. without the proper equipment, you'll destroy the chip before being able to solder it!!!

but... how about the few that are from that field of expertise? might lower your workload. Maybe you should simply get someone to assist you with soldering/testing.

erv
02-19-2008, 11:21 AM
that's the problem, I don't think a lot of people are equipped to do that at home. The few people I know are not close to my place and/or don't have any time to give to this activity.
I therefore have to organize myself and do operations in a certain order. Thank you Mr Ford and Mr Taylor :rolleyes:

The hot air station is definitly a great tool. It's wonderful to see how the chip self center once the solder starts to melt. True, it's a sort of art, because it's small and tiny, requires dexterity and you end up with something... pretty (if you like pcbs).

The main problem is that, despite SW gathers a lot of different people with different jobs and abilities, electronic enginners either work only for themselves and design little circuits for their own props, or they simply don't have the time, but have the money to buy tons of MR items ;)

yeah... if you feel like categorazing me, maybe I'm an rare specie :mrgreen:

DACOTA
02-19-2008, 05:14 PM
Ervus saberboard sapien. Thank you for all the work you have done so far Erv. Even though I have not been able to order a board yet, I will soon. But I really appreciate all of the manual labor and brains you use to make the cf's, and I hope you can continue to produce these boards no matter what. I think even though the boards are expensive we would all be lost without you and the cf's.:wink::grin:

DARTH KALEL
04-09-2008, 01:07 AM
yeah no doubt erv what a craftsman. I can't wait to get mine missed the last one, but i won't miss the next

side note maybe we should all battle for place in line that might get rid of a few buyers lol

Hasid Lafre
04-09-2008, 01:13 AM
Its alwase been first come first serve,

DARTH KALEL
04-09-2008, 01:48 AM
yeah we all know

DARTH KALEL
04-09-2008, 01:59 AM
I like the Idea of maybe letting a few of us who haven't got one maybe get a chance to order before somebody, say that has 2 or 3 or is building for somebody else, can. I will follow whatever the process is but if I miss the next one thier might be blood lol.

Novastar
04-09-2008, 02:23 AM
The only two things I can imagine Erv could do in order to avoid a repeat of the accidental "Europe only" 2-hour flashfire sale (lol):

1. This time, release during the U.S. hours... aka--the OTHER side of the world. This has a weird drawback that Erv might have to be up in the middle of the night :? ... which is not cool--he has a wife and child.

2. Release X boards during blah o'clock... then another X boards a few hours later, and again... and again, etc.

Other than that... we'll just have to all hope that those who already have boards (like MYSELF) will *NOT* be purchasing (I didn't last time, nor was I planning to do so), and maybe also... if someday, some folks can be set up to help solder all the parts on a board + test + verify and program and help Erv double or triple his ability to get them out there.

Until then... Erv is only one dude with two hands. A COOL dude... a FAST one... but... still--1 dude, 2 hands. Lots of sabers. :)

Barmic Rin
04-09-2008, 02:57 AM
Europe only? i'm sure some of you boys the otherside of the pond got some, whilst us (bitter, resentful) Brits didn't!!!!! LOL!!!!

I like the 2-shift idea, but it's up to Erv. Plus some of us are up until 1am regularly anyway! LOL!

erv
04-09-2008, 03:05 AM
I was thinking about :
- a saturday
- evening time (French time, Paris, Madrid etc), like 8PM.

this way it works for :
- hard workers, people who are coming home during the WE only, sales men who are on the road during the week etc
- teenagers / kids. Easier access to a computer / internet during the WE.
- US west coast => 10 AM there. Not too early so that they have time to wake up, make the kid's breakfast and jump to the computer with a coffee

how is this ?
Erv'

Barmic Rin
04-09-2008, 03:07 AM
I think that should suit everybody. Except the aussies! LOL!!!

Novastar
04-09-2008, 03:32 AM
It's a great idea. Me, I'm glad since I'm not planning on grabbing any--who else knows better than I how scarce these boards are, and I'd rather let an eager 1st-time buyer (especially if they are like 18 or something!) get one instead of me get another one!

Besides... I haven't even completed all the CF I have into sabers! How fair is that? I mean maybe SOMEone out there SOMEwhere just has like 6 to 10 CF sitting around "waiting" for a project or are promised to a project... ya never know!

Finally I just say... watch out if any Wookies are looking for CF. I'd propose a new strategy: let the Wookie win. ;)

SWAT Strachan
04-09-2008, 04:27 AM
how is this ?
Erv'That would suit me fine, as I fall in to the 'always on the road' catagory. I could be tempted to wait for a v4 though ;).

Hasid Lafre
04-09-2008, 05:45 AM
Someone say wookies?

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb168/Sidneyious/Misc%20Pics/Inspiration%20Posters/Inspirationposter4.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb168/Sidneyious/Misc%20Pics/Inspiration%20Posters/Inspirationposter4.jpg

Barmic Rin
04-09-2008, 08:39 AM
WARNING!!!!! WARNING!!!!!! DERAILMENT IN PROGRESSS!!!!!!!! TAKING EMERGENCY MEASURES!!!! *Restrains Hasid for a while*

I only have my CF 1.2, and that'll be going into my Luke ESBonce I have a v4!!

I wanna show off Erv's work at the Shindig in July!


(Has man, I've pinched that pic too!)

erv
04-09-2008, 10:18 AM
new expression folks

"this is 9 on my Hasid O'meter" :mrgreen:

BtW, barmic,
here's a new towel (this one because you're british.... you know how to queue)

http://www.royal-plus.de/dna/images/panic2.jpg

Barmic Rin
04-09-2008, 10:24 AM
A HHGTTG Towel!!!! Oh, Erv, you're too kind!!!!

Hasid Lafre
04-09-2008, 10:26 AM
It wasent a derailment, someone said something about wookies :P

I watch top gear on BBC america and I know how bad the queue's get. Especally at (what we call going in a circle road) roundabout. (unless I got queues mized up with another word that iam thinking of but yeah)

So erv any news on the bulk manufacturing at all? or have you given up for now?

DarthFender
04-09-2008, 10:29 AM
BtW, barmic,
here's a new towel (this one because you're british.... you know how to queue)


f-ing Brilliant, Erv.

Barmic Rin
04-09-2008, 10:32 AM
There's nothing funnier than watching americans trying to work out Roundabouts. The name kinda says it all.

Erv, sent a PM on your site, like I said, no rush. cheers!

Hasid Lafre
04-09-2008, 10:34 AM
Well just watchother people and if you think there going in the same direction as you are then go for it.

Our roundabouts are what I like to call clovers cause there on interstate roadways and I get so confused when theres alot of traffic, I hate driving as it is.

I would rather spend my time on a road course. ROAD RACING FOR THE WIN!

Ok enought derailments.

DARTH KALEL
04-09-2008, 10:56 AM
I love that idea Erv it will work for me. Novastar you are a true gentleman and scholar

erv
04-09-2008, 11:41 AM
for hasid : bulk manufacturing, no not for the moment at least. I'll see when I'll be installed in my new house, for now, I'm simply trying my best to fillfull the demand. As I said on certain video, it's a lot of work, but I like it ! Much more rewarding than having a bunch of chinese kids in my basement (no offense meant)
Erv'