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ArkaiHalon
09-01-2007, 06:41 AM
After reading several posts about "when's the MHS Builder gonna be updated" and just wanting to turn out better renders of my ideas, I've made the following MHS template. I've done my best to be as accurate as possible in both scale and design. Not having gotten my hands on any of these pieces, it's based upon the visual dimensions listed in the shop, and a couple of images posted by Corbin.

If I've crossed any line, or stepped on any toes, I apologize in advance. My intention is to help those of us who are photoshop challenged to better figure out how much money we can give Tim for his awesome parts. :lol:

http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Renders/ (http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Render%20Parts%20v2.bmp)

Novastar
09-01-2007, 12:55 PM
Nice Arkai! Great that you did that and shared...

I think that will help a lot of folks who want to "puzzle piece" together a saber ahead of time to at least get the general idea of what they'd be looking at.

Well done...

ArkaiHalon
09-01-2007, 05:07 PM
Thanks. :D

Nightwing
09-01-2007, 08:26 PM
Nice! Looks like you've got my visual style down! :D


I say "my" because I actually made the MHS Builder images about a year or so ago, lol!

xwingband
09-01-2007, 08:36 PM
lol, I think he has cobbled together a lot of various ones Corbin has shown as examples. Maybe made some like the knurled pommel...

Nice! I know a lot are visual and need the picture to figure it out.

ArkaiHalon
09-01-2007, 09:24 PM
I did utilize some of Corbin's recent visuals from the MHS Wishlist thread for sizing, and that awesome neck piece and new custom body. Then I redrew everything. Woke up at 530am with that on my brain, and spent 3 hours working on it. Now my wife on the other hand could have done all of it in 5 minutes (she's a graphic artist by trade).

But the real credit does belong to Tim and Corbin for making the parts in the first place. And Nightwing for creating the original MHS builder. which is alot more fun to play with than Paint.

ti-el_terall
09-01-2007, 09:56 PM
Id like to see these added to the MHS, they are awsome!

Jetsi
09-01-2007, 09:58 PM
The first time I tried looking at it I gave up after 5 minutes and it was still loading. I will take another look.

ArkaiHalon
09-02-2007, 10:20 AM
I've updated it. I've added a 5 inch slotted with grips, a piece of 1.5 inch sink tube for shrouds, and I've included the XwingCurvy claws.

Strydur
09-02-2007, 10:28 AM
Looks great. There is no 5" slotted though its actually 3.58"

Grooves like you have shown in the custom shilt can be easily done for a $10 custom work fee or less on basically any of the hilt sections. You just need to stay .7" away from the ends if you want the grooves somewhat deep. And if people like a certain style it can be added to the selection on the site for easy ordering.

ArkaiHalon
09-02-2007, 10:33 AM
OOOPS, for some reason I thought that section was 5 inches. I'll fix it. thanks for pointing that out.

I think that custom hilt would go over well, I copied it from one Corbin drew up.

thanks Tim.

Edit: I've updated it with the corrections Tim pointed out.

xwingband
09-02-2007, 11:53 AM
Ooo... those claws are wicked looking.

Grr... I wish I didn't have so many projects. New parts make me want to go ahead and make a saber. :)

Luke-SkyMarcher
09-02-2007, 02:13 PM
Cool! now the builder should be updated. you know once Tim has Anodizing you have to have a black version of each one, and maybe have a version of the ribbed section with o-rings.

Lord Maul
09-02-2007, 10:32 PM
I agree with Luke. now the builder can be updated with all of these new parts. it hasn't been updated for ages. great job Arkai

Hasid Lafre
10-18-2007, 05:11 AM
Think someone can update the pic with the new stuff?

ArkaiHalon
10-18-2007, 05:40 AM
this weekend i'm going to work on the new #6 blade holder

Hasid Lafre
10-18-2007, 05:57 AM
Heres what I came up with.

Sorry its attached to a saber I was working on a design.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb168/Sidneyious/Saber%20Part%20Ideas/Custom.jpg

Took me about 1.5 hours altering it in mspaint.

Angelus Lupus
10-18-2007, 06:47 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v41/AngelusLupus/bladeholder6.png

Took me about 1.5 seconds copying it from a picture Corbin already did here (http://www.thecustomsabershop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=817&start=60)

ArkaiHalon
10-19-2007, 12:41 PM
cool. I'll clean it up and add it in later today

ArkaiHalon
10-19-2007, 01:35 PM
ok, updates have been made.

new blade holder 6 is in place (based upon dimensions listed in the shop, as well as photos).

I've also added colored disks that you can stretch out for blades

amber, blue, red/orange, cyan, green

Again, none of these are perfect renders, but are good at getting a rough idea out.

ArkaiHalon
12-22-2007, 12:09 PM
updated again.

completely changed the layout to horizontal, added Valeon's clamp, and
added a thumbscrew, as well as 1.5 and 1.25 sinktube.

http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/render%20parts.bmp

Vazan Maceu
12-22-2007, 01:10 PM
Great work Arkai, this is really helpful :D

Lord Maul
12-22-2007, 04:51 PM
You did a great job with these Arkai. If the MHS builder ever does get redone, I wouldn't be surprised if Tim used these renderings.

ArkaiHalon
01-01-2008, 06:01 PM
another BORING day at work has lead to some more updates.

Added 1.5 inch sink tube, 1.25 inch sinktube (as offered in the store)
1.25 inch sinktube LED blade holder
black covertech knob
Danco Phoenix faucet handle (for my fellow hardware junkies)
Sinktube adapter
Vacuum Hose (makes a great grip)
and a button head screw/rivet

Obi-Dar Ke-Gnomie
01-01-2008, 07:29 PM
Very well done! Thanks for going to all the trouble of making this up!

ArkaiHalon
01-01-2008, 07:33 PM
it's my pleasure. Helps pass the time, and really helps me figure out how to putmy stuff together.

Obi-Dar Ke-Gnomie
01-01-2008, 08:20 PM
I just spent the last half hour doing a render of what my saber will look like when I add the neck piece and green led.

Check it out:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-1/1236148/my_mhs_render3.jpg

ArkaiHalon
01-01-2008, 08:22 PM
that looks purty good

Dark Helmet
01-01-2008, 11:28 PM
wow! this helps tons, i wish i found this thread sooner!

BhujangiJedi
01-05-2008, 03:42 AM
Wow... that is a lot of work! How do you do it? I've been having a go at it in Inkscape (http://www.inkscape.org) with very similar styling as yours. It's my first experience with vector graphics and I'm pretty pleased with Inkscape.

Here's what I've done:
MHS parts (bitmap) (http://members.cox.net/khalsa1/pics/MHS.bmp)
If anyone wants the source:
SVG source (http://members.cox.net/khalsa1/pics/MHS.svg) (opens in Inkscape or any other program that supports SVG

Maybe my first saber (still waiting on parts to place my order!):
http://members.cox.net/khalsa1/pics/MHSsaber.jpg


And please... no one use MS Paint! At least get Paint.NET (http://www.getpaint.net/)!

Hasid Lafre
01-05-2008, 04:35 AM
I use the image of parts that was designed by arkai then use mspaint to put it togeather. Just remember to save the images as a bitmap or it will get the pixilated crap going on and a pain in teh butt to get rid off.

Hasid Lafre
01-05-2008, 04:36 AM
In the most recent image I do not see these parts in the image.

Am I missing something?


another BORING day at work has lead to some more updates.

Added 1.5 inch sink tube, 1.25 inch sinktube (as offered in the store)
1.25 inch sinktube LED blade holder
black covertech knob
Danco Phoenix faucet handle (for my fellow hardware junkies)
Sinktube adapter
Vacuum Hose (makes a great grip)
and a button head screw/rivet

Obi-Dar Ke-Gnomie
01-05-2008, 06:34 AM
Follow the link in the first post in the thread.

Hasid Lafre
01-16-2008, 11:04 PM
I call it a oring block

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7884/oringblockpr2.png (http://imageshack.us)

Just cut them to the size you want. If ya plan on having many orings in a row then draw a black line thru what you feel is the approiate sized oring.

ArkaiHalon
01-17-2008, 07:06 AM
in my next update, i'm actually going to include orings sized to match the grooves on the ribbed extension.

Now, the next question.

Would a version of each piece in the offered powdercoat colors be desirable?

Tom Starkiller
01-17-2008, 09:16 AM
in my next update, i'm actually going to include orings sized to match the grooves on the ribbed extension.

Now, the next question.

Would a version of each piece in the offered powdercoat colors be desirable?

*force hugs*

What about re-scaling the MHS Pommel 3 to be actualy size (Scaled), as it doesn't appear to be.

Also, a side view of the switch would be good.

ArkaiHalon
01-17-2008, 03:01 PM
consider those added to the list.

so, for next update

O rings in all available colors
resize MPS 3
side view of switch
Powdercoat versions of all parts*

anything else?

* will be offered in seperate files

Hasid Lafre
01-17-2008, 03:34 PM
well I noticed in the link for that one where you put borders around the mhs parts. Some of the lines and borders of the mhs parts themselves seem to be way off from the first one image that you did.

37H4N
01-17-2008, 03:36 PM
Hey Arkai, I kinda did my own powter coating thing for myself, would you like to see them? If you like them enough feel free to use it.

ArkaiHalon
01-17-2008, 09:19 PM
I'm going to completely redo the whole thing.
I'll do my best to size everything as best as possible.

37h4n, i'd love to see the powder coat you have

37H4N
01-17-2008, 10:24 PM
Well there nothing special, I just opened the file and colored them with PS. The sloted with t-grips can be deleted since the t-grips were colored as well and it looks wierd.

But here you go,
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/37H4N/MHSbuilderblue.png
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/37H4N/MHSbuildergreen.png
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/37H4N/MHSbuilderorange.png
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/37H4N/MHSbuilderpurple.png
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/37H4N/MHSbuilderred.png
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/37H4N/MHSbuildertan.png
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff198/37H4N/MHSbuilderyellow.png

BTW, they may be a little dark due to the fact I did this on my laptop and things tend to be darker when I post them on the PC.

ArkaiHalon
01-18-2008, 05:25 AM
those look good man.

I started v3 last night, and I think every one will like it.
Hoping to be done with it this weekend, but what you can look forward to
is
1. more uniform sizing
2. a ruler included using the same sizing to tell how big your saber is
3. better color

I'll post more later.

ArkaiHalon
01-20-2008, 12:57 PM
ok, the main "library" has been finsihed.
Edit: Ftp now working

NEW LINK
http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Render%20mkIII.bmp

I will post the "powdercoat" versions later, but here's the main one.
additions include o rings, uniform sizing, corrections to sizing on several pieces,
better color, and the ruler to measure final length.


Also, i'd like to request that this topic get stickied, since the renders are helpful and popular

ArkaiHalon
01-20-2008, 01:25 PM
not to be a post ho, but here's a comparison
same design, v1 against v3
http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/comp.JPG

Lord Maul
01-20-2008, 01:27 PM
That is sweet man. You are doing a fantastic job with these renderings :cool:

Tom Starkiller
01-20-2008, 01:30 PM
NICE! Thanks. :D

Malaki Skywalker
01-20-2008, 01:38 PM
Sweet! Thanks for posting it :D

Angelus Lupus
01-20-2008, 04:21 PM
oooh, purdy an' shiny, I like it!

Hasid Lafre
01-21-2008, 05:19 AM
Iam getting a partly black image when the file downloads.

ArkaiHalon
01-21-2008, 05:29 AM
any one else having problems downloading it?

Angelus Lupus
01-21-2008, 08:30 AM
No problem for me

ArkaiHalon
01-24-2008, 07:21 PM
Just to make things easy
http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Renders/

That folder has the current render bitmaps.
Including the new Powder Coat Versions

Copper Jacket and Bright Red.

Solar Black, Bright White and an outline version soon to come.

santini
01-27-2008, 11:32 AM
I think pommel 4 is backward in comparison to everything else

Obi-Dar Ke-Gnomie
01-27-2008, 11:54 AM
Just flip it horizontally.

ArkaiHalon
02-06-2008, 09:31 PM
Solar Black is done and loaded in the folder

http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Renders/

edit: I also added an outline only version for those of you that want to come up with your own color schemes.

Lord Maul
02-06-2008, 11:09 PM
You never cease to impress Arkai :cool:

Great work as always.

ArkaiHalon
02-07-2008, 08:02 AM
Thanks LM. It's far from the quality of some of the stuff that others are putting out, but it's alot of fun making it, and it's a quick, easy way to figure out how much money we can give Tim. My biggest problem is that I keep coming up with new ideas.

I may post some of my "dream MHS parts"

Hasid Lafre
02-07-2008, 01:51 PM
Yeah I need to get back at designing parts again, I had a lot of fun doing that.

Hasid Lafre
02-15-2008, 11:35 PM
How about a Vader shroud and an ani AOTC shroud, with a side and top view of them. Maybe make a second render image for things of this nature. Say another thing that could be put into them is like the copper caps that tim sells here.

Glass eye thumbscrews, covertech buttons and drings with a side and top view.

ArkaiHalon
02-16-2008, 07:02 AM
you sure don't ask for much do ya ;)

I'm actually working on doing some shrouds. Hadn't really thought about doing the "bling" but I'll see what I can do.

more to come

Hasid Lafre
02-16-2008, 06:18 PM
Hehehe I get that alot when I get some ideas going for something.

TorLinWaDur
02-16-2008, 10:43 PM
Cool update Render parts. :)
thanks

ArkaiHalon
02-17-2008, 10:47 AM
As requested, some Bling is now in the render folder as a different image

here is the link
http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Renders/bling.bmp
http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Renders/bling.bmp

Darth_DevilGuy
02-17-2008, 02:31 PM
very cool, what are you using to get curves I've been trying to use the circle tool in paint with bad results, and the pen tool in photoshop is annoying me.

TorLinWaDur
02-17-2008, 03:10 PM
wow Arkai. thanks for the bling bling :)


As requested, some Bling is now in the render folder as a different image

here is the link
http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Renders/bling.bmp
http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Renders/bling.bmp

Hasid Lafre
02-17-2008, 07:39 PM
so very awsone!

Thanks arkai

ArkaiHalon
02-17-2008, 10:40 PM
very cool, what are you using to get curves I've been trying to use the circle tool in paint with bad results, and the pen tool in photoshop is annoying me.


I get the curves by using a combo of the circle, oval, curve and square tools.
and lots of redoing.

Hasid Lafre
02-18-2008, 02:49 AM
Again arkai thank you very much for the vader and ani shrouds. and I used the "bladeplugs as tips ends for the blades.

I was abel to get my second design off the ground with the vader shroud and Iam confident enought that it will deffinatly be my second mhs.

ArkaiHalon
02-18-2008, 06:08 AM
glad I could help. Now I'm just trying what to do next.

Hasid Lafre
02-18-2008, 06:50 AM
What about like MRFX parts? Like luke rotj control box and pommel? Say a graflex inspired shroud?

Your own ideas even for say bladeholders, hilt styles(need some great ideas for say a one piece 10" long hilt section).

Once I get done with a couple saber designs of my own Iam gonna get back into the swing of designing parts.

Know the new style 6 bladeholder? I had done the initial design and used ms paint and the images from the old mhs builder.

Heres the original pic.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb168/Sidneyious/MHS%20Renders/SithEmitteridea-1.jpg

Started life as a style 7 and 3 bladeholder, Then when corbin came around the idea was pitched around and I was looking for a more maul-esk style and when corbin posted the render of the 2(one like mine and the more maul-esk) I was like definitely his. He got the nail on the head with the render. Then next thing I knew when the last 2 original style 6 bladeholders were sold off not even 2 weeks or so later the new design took its place.

That day I couldn't of been more happier that I actually contributed to a final product.

xl97
03-05-2008, 01:25 PM
HI.. Im not sure if the Builder is still 'alive' or another version is prefeed that the community uses.. (I'd liek a link if so) ;)

if not.. Im a flash developer.. and Im sure I could make something that we could use here..

basically would just need images of parts.. and I could make a drag -n- drop type system or something..

-cheers

ArkaiHalon
03-05-2008, 01:44 PM
if you can use the images i created,please feel free to do so, and I'll upload the flash file to my site so everyone can use it with out it eating up Tim's site to much.

xl97
03-05-2008, 02:20 PM
It wouldnt be any kind of 3D rendered anything, by any means..

basically whatever type of (static) pics we have availabe are what we have to use. =)

what images are you referring to? the ones on white backgrounds? (I'd image the best format would be on transparent .png of .gif images)

and would have to be individual parts.. (but I havent seen yoru yet..just stating a general rule of thumb)

someting along these lines:

http://www.digitalbikebuilder.com/

(which is very old, and not really ever completed correctly) :)

Atomic
03-05-2008, 03:45 PM
xl97, send me a PM with your email. I converted ArkaiHalon's original Render and made a transparent background png out of it.

Atomic

xl97
03-05-2008, 04:19 PM
sent, received, and emailed back.. :)

all ideas are welcome.. after this thing will eventually be used, and is for, the community.. :)

Im probably going to model is after the www.digitalbikebuilder.com app I linked to.. just skinned different..

so ideas are appreciated..LOL

I dont think we'll need a rotate or a 'scale' button is all images are made/conform to the same 'specs'...

but I think an aplha feature would be nice for each part/layer..


thanks

ArkaiHalon
03-05-2008, 04:26 PM
atomic...
did you use the v1 or the most recent updated version III?

Hasid Lafre
03-13-2008, 10:01 AM
Hay any plans for a curved hilt? Like the vacume tube wand things that some people have used?

Iam trying to figure out how i can do it by altering some of the mhs parts images but I cant think of anything.

ArkaiHalon
03-13-2008, 10:35 AM
I hadn't planned on any other updates until I had a few items to add.

I'll gladly do some if we want to start a list.

curved hilt
Luke Pommel (i'll be having one to make measurements, thanks to Obi-Dar)


What else?

Atomic
03-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Sorry Arkai, I missed the question when you posted it. I used the III version (with the nicer renders).

ArkaiHalon
03-13-2008, 12:39 PM
cool, just wanted to be sure, the v1 scale is off.

Really looking forward to seeing your interactive version.

Hasid Lafre
03-13-2008, 11:44 PM
I made a luke pommel by just stretching and such on the style 3 pommel, I made 3 clamps, just a basic kinda greflex looking clamp, a luke box side and top, a couple blades colors that others have posted that looked really close to your blade designs.

I also redone the hilt and part sections of the regular mhs parts cause they went lining up well with the powder coated colors and they would pixelate so I redid it so they wouldn't pixilate.

I combined the images of the powder coat parts into one image and everything else went into another image and reorganized. I got to work on reorganizing the powder coat parts to appeal better.

The only thing that needs to be redone is the ruler, it seems to be off more than the parts are. The button heads need to be fixed, I cant seem to get them to stop pixilating.


As for whatelse to add the other powder coated colors, Maybe some more blade colors, Grips like t-Grips, the timing belt idea that some have used. I cant really think of anything at the moment, I got up not to long ago so the brain isent compleatly awake for thinking. But if ya liike here are the images of my reworking.

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb168/Sidneyious/MHS%20Renders/MHSPowderCoatingColors.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb168/Sidneyious/MHS%20Renders/MHSRenderParts.jpg

ArkaiHalon
03-14-2008, 05:36 AM
There should be no problem with the powder coat and the regular MHS lining up, as they use the same outline (exact same size), just different interiors. and I've had no problems with it at home.

anytime you take a bitmap to a jpeg, it's gonna pixelate. nothing's gonna prevent that. If your using jpg instead of the original bmp, that pixelation could be why things aren't lining up.

Hasid Lafre
04-10-2008, 08:50 AM
Bump to bring to life

xl97
04-10-2008, 09:43 AM
arent .jpg's and bitmaps BOTH raster type graphics? and NOT vector based? as in BOTH pixel based images and not math equations? so Im not following how a .jpg could be pixelated and a bitmap NOT if just making a conversion??

anyways..

as far as a NEW interactive saber builder app.. Im still willing to help put one together..

the problems I think we'd face (at least without having to re-write the whole thing) is when you want MORE than one item on the stage of a particular type..

using the www.digitalbikebuilder.com as the base (I actually just re-wrote it so it all easily updated by XML now.. no need for flash knowledge)

if you look.. you pick a sections frames for example.. (could easily be mid-sections)

if you want to have MORE than one mid section instead of 1 long 7 incher..you wanted 2 x 4 in sections...etc..


or if you wanted to add o-rings.. that wouldnt be one object you have on the stage..it would be the same part used MANY times.. (if that make sense)

so i was thinking of making making it similar to this project i did a whle back for stage set-up test demo:

http://dmstudios.net/demos/ArkansasDigital/project_1/index.html

you can drag more than one 1 light on the stage...etc.. so kind of a merge between the two.. 95% like www.digitalbikebuilder.com (with whatever logo and layout/theme graphics we make of course)..and the multiple 'ame' part ability as in :

http://dmstudios.net/demos/ArkansasDigital/project_1/index.html prject

Im sure once we get a layout and engine working.. anyone and everyoen can submit part.. any builder.. and graphics person..etc or it can JUST be for MHS part..and we could add in the prices as well get your list of chosen parts emailed to you.. or Tim for an estimate...etc

any feedback ya got works.. :)

ArkaiHalon
04-10-2008, 11:12 AM
yes, both bmp and jpg are raster, however, to quote my graphic artist wife, JPG is a lossy raster, which means everytime you save it out, it loses integrity and thus pixelates. This is especially noticable with converting froma low res image such as a bitmap to a jpg, as there is less resolution to lose, making the pixelation more noticeable. This is the reason she prefers vector, and I'm sure I could make them in corel draw instead of paint, but paint is what I had when I started, and i'm to lazy to start all over. LOL

on another note, I"ve been asked to do renders of the guts of the sabers, to help figure out internal spacing issues. so, if anybody happens to have the dimensions of any specific electronics, feel free to PM me

Hasid Lafre
04-10-2008, 11:26 AM
Tim is doingdimentions of parts in the store so yo could ask him what he dosent hav e up is what.

ArkaiHalon
04-14-2008, 03:46 PM
I'm doing some clean up on my entire server. For the time being, you can reach the renders directly at http://www.k-squared.com

As for the updates, I'll be working on those as time allows.
Special thanks to Kasri Deodene for creating the US blue and Bubble gum renders.

Hasid Lafre
04-14-2008, 06:25 PM
kool kool, I will be sure to save them to this pc now.

Obi-Dar Ke-Gnomie
04-14-2008, 08:12 PM
Is there any way we can get this thread stickied and indexed?

Lord Maul
04-14-2008, 08:28 PM
I indexed it...I think. If not then it's just another good thread I forgot

DARTH KALEL
04-15-2008, 02:56 AM
wow these were a huge help thank you very much

Hasid Lafre
07-09-2008, 05:33 AM
Any idea if your gonna do the new parts for the render?

ArkaiHalon
07-09-2008, 05:55 AM
I've got a couple of cusotm parts i've been working on,

I know there are some new bladeholders that need to be made.
anything else that needs done? I'll work on it this week.

Hasid Lafre
07-09-2008, 06:02 AM
Various mr parts like the luke box and pommel, any aotc control box/clamp.

Thats all my brain can think of right now, anyone else got any ideas?

Edit oh what about that parks clamp with the cut openings..

ArkaiHalon
07-12-2008, 10:26 AM
here's the latest updates on official parts, plus the parks clamps that Hasid asked for. I dont' have enough reference material for doing the MR parts.

I'll post up some more of my custom ideas later.
http://k-squared.com/Lightsabers/Renders/saberbuilder%20updates.bmp

Hasid Lafre
07-12-2008, 11:52 AM
Super bomb bad!

Its my bros saber, link to his album

Various pics of mr luke box and pommel

http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/vortextwist/light%20saber%20pics/ (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/vortextwist/light%20saber%20pics/)

chaos
07-12-2008, 05:17 PM
ArkaiHalon, don't take this the wrong way but heres a better/more accurate rendering of the new choke point. Your one wasn't quite right!

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/73/choke2qu7.png

ArkaiHalon
07-12-2008, 07:28 PM
Thanks Chaos, I went mostly off memory for that one. only added the "back" to help line it up.]]

and thank you Hasid, i'll work on those

Hasid Lafre
09-13-2008, 11:40 AM
Hay any chance we shal see all the parts compiled?

ArkaiHalon
09-13-2008, 09:21 PM
I honestly have not had a chance lately to work on the newest renders.

I'll work on that as I get some time, but right now, I've got a slightly different project in the work.

insert evil laugh.

LordMasoch
09-24-2008, 10:24 PM
Nothing attached, Hasid. If you're using saberbuilder, try saving as a .png instead of .bmp. .png is widely accepted by image hosts. Or, if you're having trouble with an image host, PM me. I've got a ton of webspace going to waste.

Hasid Lafre
09-24-2008, 10:27 PM
Ok cant figure out attachments so I will have to fix this, again.

Damn it its not comming out right and its actually pissing me off. I know how do do this stuff well enought and its not working.

ArG!

PM sent!

ArkaiHalon
09-25-2008, 06:37 AM
Ok, I should have some free time this weekend to work on updates.

But, I'm a bit behind on what's been added lately. I know I need to update the pommel 3, and create choke 3, but is there anything else? I know the saberbuilder already has the long and short chokes.

If anyone who has some free time (Hasid, lol) wants to compile a list
I'll see what I can't get whipped out and updated, and sent over to XL97 for adding to the saber builder.

Also, if time permits, I may work on v 4 of these renders. I've been playing with corel, which will let me save them out as vector graphics instead of bmp, and thus be much cleaner for the saber builder. (assuming xl wants to reupload all the images)

So, fire away.

xl97
09-25-2008, 07:00 AM
saber builder can ONLY use raster graphics.. Flash can ONLY dynamically load .jpg's, .gif's & .png's....

while ANY of those can be used for the THUMBNAIL image/render.. only a .gif or .png can be used for the MAIN (draggable part) render.. as those are the only formats that support transparency... (and .png's are the only format that supports an alpha channel) ;)

also note that for thumbnails, "I" feel it is best to have an image of the actual part from the store or from someone's build..etc



so I have just been trying to save all MAIN (BIG) parts as .png's....

remember that saving them with a transparent background is KEY.. otherwise cropping them out of a WHITE BG is really wasting the time you put in to design them in the first place. :)

I have added ACE ROCKETS OBI TMP pommel in the custom parts as well..

the small choke was done way before Tim even offered one.. so Im not even sure if it the correct dimensions...


list:
Double female with milled slots
MPS Pommel style 3 v2
MHS choke style 1 long
MHS choke style 1 short
MHS choke style 3


oh..and can we try to always use the same gradient.. I have based the coloring/powder coating option on that gradient as a the base.. so that they all look uniform when colored together. ;)

ArkaiHalon
09-25-2008, 07:54 AM
I will just keep them as BMP for the time being then.

all my renders use the same gradient (edit: at least with in each color they do. lol)

I already have the double female,

For anyone that wants to use the same main file for creating their own renders for custom work or for saberbuilder

www.k-squared.com (http://www.k-squared.com)

xl97
09-25-2008, 09:00 AM
.bmps do not support transparency though..do they? everythign will be on a white background..

sometimes "I' can easily crop them out..other times I can not, and hence have to re-render them... (just a thought)..

yeah Im saying keep using the same gradent you have fo the 'aluminum' parts.. as I have kept that as the base.. (colored renders arent needed for the SaberBuilder as you can color them with the application)

re: Slotted Extension.. (is the gradient up-side down?)

ArkaiHalon
09-25-2008, 09:04 AM
yeah, the slotted extension is upsided down. OOPS. lol

in my current method, I don't have a way to save them out as anything other than bmp. let me check when i work on the new stuff this weekend if I can save them out as PNG for you. that should save you a little time.

xl97
09-25-2008, 09:46 AM
as long as your lines are clean (like most have been for sure).. cropping in Photoshop using the magic wand tool should work.

just wanted to make sure I flip it and load it correctly for the saber builder.. (gotta get the image from the store front now to make a thumbnail of it now.) ho-humm..

Hasid Lafre
09-25-2008, 10:20 AM
Well if photobucket wouldent turn every pic into a .jpg then I would load up the image that I have of compiled parts.

:\

xl97
09-25-2008, 10:54 AM
what format IS it?

as stated not many places or browser support .bmp's... why not just save it to a .png or .gif or .jpg?

Hasid Lafre
09-25-2008, 01:44 PM
If the image is saved as a .jpeg it pixelates it to hell and I cant convert it to png.

LordMasoch
09-25-2008, 06:10 PM
Hasid, check out the imaging program Gimp. It's free and just as powerful as Photoshop. And can save in all the major formats. :)

xl97
09-25-2008, 06:39 PM
just as powerful as photoshop? wow... I think ti can do alot..(great app).. but no where near as much as PS can... by far. ;)

(but I guess it depends on your needs as well) :)

LordMasoch
09-25-2008, 07:25 PM
It really depends on who you talk to. There's people who swear by it. In my opinion, if used right, it's just as powerful as Photoshop. I didnt' say as full-featured, keep in mind. ;) I prefer Photoshop over Gimp, but that's because of certain features PS has that Gimp doesn't. Overall though Gimp is a great program, especially for what they're trying to do.

Hasid Lafre
09-25-2008, 09:49 PM
I think I got it figured out.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1943/rendermkiiipm1.th.png (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rendermkiiipm1.png)http://img525.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Tom Starkiller
09-26-2008, 01:12 AM
Looking good Hasid. It's just uhm... titchy lol.

Hasid Lafre
09-26-2008, 03:36 PM
Thats messed up, it shrunk it and I dident tell it to.

<insert many curs words here>

ArkaiHalon
09-28-2008, 12:04 PM
here's all the chokes, at correct dimentions.
and a v2 pommel 3, but i'm not overly happy withit, but it is asclose to correct dimensions as I could get.

anything else that we need added?

Tom Starkiller
09-28-2008, 01:12 PM
I see nothing. :?

Angelus Lupus
09-28-2008, 01:15 PM
I see nothing. :?

Me neither.

ArkaiHalon
09-28-2008, 06:43 PM
that's cause I didn't notice it didnt' attach.OOOPS
http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/d3a36cf5390a3e4c2945c67d80a6f53b7720026c.bmp

Hasid Lafre
10-28-2008, 09:57 AM
Hay I just noticed that ther isent a top view on the regular switches and a side view on the guarded switches.

ArkaiHalon
10-28-2008, 10:34 AM
there is a side view of the guarded switch somewhere, but I have not done the top view of the regular switches. I'll add that to the list.

anything else that needs to be added?
aside from the graflex and heiland now available in the store?

Tom Starkiller
10-28-2008, 11:13 AM
I think that you have everything now. I have a thought though:

How about some guts? For example,

Battery pack, LED, heatsink etc, only sideviews, that way people using photoshop can lower the opacity off the MHS parts and see how the guts will fit in and need arranging as they design the lightsaber.

Just a thought.

Hasid Lafre
10-28-2008, 11:16 AM
Ummm the bladeholders for the replicas maybe?

Oh and led bezels with a "clear" led that one could add there own color to.

ArkaiHalon
10-28-2008, 11:56 AM
I think that you have everything now. I have a thought though:

How about some guts? For example,

Battery pack, LED, heatsink etc, only sideviews, that way people using photoshop can lower the opacity off the MHS parts and see how the guts will fit in and need arranging as they design the lightsaber.

Just a thought.

Great idea. I've got a few of these items, and will take some measurements and see about drawing them up this week/weekend



Ummm the bladeholders for the replicas maybe?

Oh and led bezels with a "clear" led that one could add there own color to.

The only replica blade holder I have is an Anakin, so i'll work on that.
If anyone else has the others and wants to give me the dimenisions, I'll work on them as well. I'll also work on the led bezels.

Donnovan Sunrider
10-28-2008, 12:00 PM
Thanks Arkai!
The profiles of internal components will be fantastic to plan things out before spending cash.

The folks in this hobby doth rock.

The only thing I can think of is a purple blade to the Misc group. I'd think that color is popular enough to justify it in the list.

Hasid Lafre
10-28-2008, 12:02 PM
Kool!

Ah the real only differacne befwen the 2 bladeholders is on the graflex and ani is this piece right here.

I hope LDM dosent mine me using his pic.
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8620/1003521be5.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1003521be5.jpg)http://img392.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Click on the pic and its in red
The graflex has it built into with the bunny ears where as the any its not its part of the bladeholder itself.

I do agree more blade colors, I keep forgetting about thoes.

Oh heres another piece I think would be great seperate form the rest with a side and top view.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5642/11111111md2.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11111111md2.jpg)http://img356.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

Hasid Lafre
12-13-2008, 07:20 PM
Anyone got the image of the obi tpm pommel?

Er Dan Gill
12-13-2008, 08:24 PM
Shoot me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll hook you up Hasid.

Hasid Lafre
12-14-2008, 07:11 AM
PM sent.

Oh AH another thing I was thinking of, top and back view of the clamps, like on the laser cut ones the bottem side where the cutouts are.

Also with that, bubble strips, circuit cardsand that sort, maybe a greebly thing, like a card holding a small switch, an accent led and a tiny rotory switch.

:D

xl97
12-14-2008, 07:25 AM
in 'saber builder', there is a render of the Ace Rocket 'Obi' Pommel, if thats the one you are referring to.

Hasid Lafre
12-14-2008, 07:28 AM
humm, I did not know that.

Edit, Well I got the pic of it but when I go to mess with it in ms paint it gets kinda blury and the outline lines are not solid, sorta blury like.

xl97
12-14-2008, 07:30 AM
thats why I posted it.. ;)

(should be in custom parts)

Hasid Lafre
12-14-2008, 07:42 AM
I think I got the bluryness fixed, bubba sent me a pic of one thats different so I will rework both of them into one.

xl97
12-14-2008, 07:47 AM
http://www.saberbuilder.com/parts/custom/aceRocket_obiPommel.png

Hasid Lafre
12-14-2008, 07:52 AM
Well I got it finalized so its not all pixled out, xl that one when I go to load it into mspaint it makes it so theres a black edge on the top and bottem.

Maybe has somethign to do with png and mspaint not liking each other. *confused*

ArkaiHalon
12-14-2008, 08:26 AM
sorry all, updating the renders has been at the bottom of the priority list. Darth real life.

So, list of requested parts

Boxes *as in the shop
strips
accent leds
internal parts
side/top views of switches
conversion blade holders
graflex
heiland
textured mylar

Er Dan Gill
12-14-2008, 10:03 AM
Here's a few I did. Cant remember where I found the Obi pommel, but it was pixelated pretty bad, so I cleaned it up a bit. But the clamp is all mine.:D

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x170/ErDanGill/9a1906ed.jpg

Hasid Lafre
12-14-2008, 01:47 PM
Any chance of just solid blocks for all the powder coat colors and the sand blasted color/effect thing, then we can just streach it and place the outline over it and delete the excess.

ArkaiHalon
02-02-2009, 07:38 AM
Ok, here's the latest batch. I wasnot planning to do these in this format, but the need for expediency at Tim's request took priority over my plans.

I know I've still got somemore to do.

http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/875369963d4c357c2e2dca52880cf3cda3d2dfa6.bmp

Hasid Lafre
02-02-2009, 12:31 PM
Sweet

Tom Starkiller
02-02-2009, 12:53 PM
Awesome!
Thanks Arkai.

xl97
02-02-2009, 02:39 PM
Nice job Arkai-

one thing. ;)

shouldnt the box's be the same length? side or top view? :)

for example box 1 & 2 are longer if you look at them from the top then the side view..

easy stretch/fix.. ;)

ArkaiHalon
02-03-2009, 07:09 AM
Nice job Arkai-

one thing. ;)

shouldnt the box's be the same length? side or top view? :)

for example box 1 & 2 are longer if you look at them from the top then the side view..

easy stretch/fix.. ;)


Crud on a cracker. Good catch. I'll fix them tonight when I get home.

Swordlord
02-03-2009, 08:23 AM
I just wanted to say thank you for these, ArkaiHalon. They are making my planning stages much easier!

xl97
02-03-2009, 09:07 AM
yep..thanks.. Im making PC'd variants for the saberbuilder with these..

Strydur
02-05-2009, 12:13 AM
I didnt realize you where posting these here Ark. I will update our builder with them..thanks. Shoot me a E-mail with a sample of the new ones you are making and lets work something out to compensate you for your efforts.

Onli-Won Kanomi
02-05-2009, 01:30 AM
Thank you so much Arkai...I've been struggling with Paint trying to make the new parts so I could have something to send Strydur and this makes things so much easier.

Merci Beaucoup!

Strydur
02-05-2009, 11:25 AM
Builder updated with the blade holders and such. I didnt do the box's and cards yet.

ArkaiHalon
02-05-2009, 12:51 PM
I didnt realize you where posting these here Ark. I will update our builder with them..thanks. Shoot me a E-mail with a sample of the new ones you are making and lets work something out to compensate you for your efforts.

Email forthcoming.

Swordlord
02-05-2009, 01:13 PM
Thanks to Arkhai for rendering the new pieces!

Thanks to Strydur for making them manifest in MHS Builder!

Goodman
02-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Thanks Arkhai and Tim for such a quick turnaround!

ArkaiHalon
02-09-2009, 11:33 AM
Tim

Did you get my email?

ArkaiHalon
02-10-2009, 09:39 PM
Fixed the sizing errors on the boxes and strips, as well as the fluted hilt.

Also, took a stab at the gear section

http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/c5c1693e3f24c281f2cb43954a3080fbeda9943f.bmp

ArkaiHalon
03-04-2009, 08:54 PM
latest stuff. took another shot at the gear, with out outright ripping off XL's version.

http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/27e168383822c78cf8887893a4b9388e3c6d5034.bmp

xl97
03-05-2009, 05:53 AM
latest stuff. took another shot at the gear, with out outright ripping off XL's version.

http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/27e168383822c78cf8887893a4b9388e3c6d5034.bmp

LMAO..

thats exactly what my first gear looks like.. (exactly)... :)

I just wanst sure if everyone would want/like the ends like that when I originally did it..

I have like 3 version of the gear part!...lol

good job! :)

ArkaiHalon
03-05-2009, 06:26 AM
LOL

I have like 4 versions as well. trying to get the detail to look right was a pain. I finally settled on this one.

xl97
03-05-2009, 08:00 AM
I dont really care for my gear... but I had to leave work..and never actually implemented any of the others to see how they 'meshed' LOL

maybe if I get some time today.. :)

I'll probably snag the 1.25 adapter of yours though.. I hadnt gotte around to making one yet.

funny how we did differnt approaches to the slotted female piece..LOL (turned different)

Swordlord
03-05-2009, 08:12 AM
This is wonderful! Now, for someone to get them into MHS Builder ...

xl97
03-05-2009, 08:20 AM
This is wonderful! Now, for someone to get them into MHS Builder ...


go ahead... crop them out... save them a .png
make a matching thumbnail image to go along with it...

and send it to Tim. Im sure hes busy, and if your in a 'hurry'... do it for him..

everything you need has been posted and linked to several time..

the thumbnail image background you can use..
even the 'base' gradient everyone should use if you want to make renders of parts yourself.

update: link to base images: (gradient and thumbnail BG, if needed)

http://forums.thecustomsabershop.com/showthread.php?t=4645&highlight=saberbuilder&page=12

if you DO NOT use that gradient as your part base..it will NOT be used.. at least not in 'saber builder' if Tim wants to add an 'odd ball' part to the MHS builder..that is up to him..but using the coloring option will produce an effect NOT the same as the others.

Hasid Lafre
03-05-2009, 08:46 AM
Yep, I just keep adding parts and custom ideas to the first render set that arkai did using this color pattern.

I love mspaint, except for when somehow an image gets saved as a pos jpeg and then pixelates the whole damned thing.

Rhyen Skytracker
03-05-2009, 12:16 PM
Great job. It will help us use our creative saber smith powers more effectivlly.

ArkaiHalon
03-08-2009, 05:20 AM
I will update the renders this week. I"m down for the count with vicious headcold right now, but I'll get these banged out asap

Strydur
03-08-2009, 10:21 AM
The renders are all done as far as the MHS builder goes.

ArkaiHalon
03-08-2009, 06:29 PM
The renders are all done as far as the MHS builder goes.


Oh,well nevermind then.

Hasid Lafre
03-11-2009, 11:37 AM
What about thoes that dont use the builder?

ArkaiHalon
03-11-2009, 11:39 AM
What about thoes that dont use the builder?

Is that a hint? lol

xl97
03-11-2009, 11:50 AM
take screen shots..and crop them out.. ;)

ArkaiHalon
03-30-2009, 07:35 PM
here's the latest batch. the box is a work in progress. but it's there.
http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/3c526323a53232bac6f83df7d2386568ae650114.bmp

Hasid Lafre
03-30-2009, 09:29 PM
Why does the scurve look odd to me?

ArkaiHalon
03-31-2009, 05:46 AM
Why does the scurve look odd to me?

Cause everything looks odd to you. LOL

As I sit and look at it a day later, I'm going to redo it.

Hasid Lafre
03-31-2009, 09:12 AM
lol, if its any consolation the box look awsome.

Swordlord
03-31-2009, 02:30 PM
Why does the scurve look odd to me?

I think it's due to the rendering (not the renderer). It looks like the top is a little thin, which creates the illusion that the bottom right of the BH is jutting out a bit, looking like a "C".

Onli-Won Kanomi
04-01-2009, 01:30 AM
When I look at the third pic of the part itself it looks like the curve in the S-curve begins nearer the bottom whereas in the drawn rendering it looks like there is a vertical straight line almost a third of the way up before the curve even begins...that imo is what mkes it look odd...the actual curve itself of the s-curve looks pretty good to me or would if it started all the way at the bottom not a third up.

Thaxos
04-11-2009, 07:57 PM
here's the latest batch. the box is a work in progress. but it's there.
http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/3c526323a53232bac6f83df7d2386568ae650114.bmp

Arkai, you are a GOD among men!
This render for the style 16 blade holder is simply stunning!

ArkaiHalon
04-23-2009, 06:04 PM
Ok folks. I know there's new parts. I'll be working the new renders, as wll as the updated 15 this weekend.

xl97
04-23-2009, 06:30 PM
AH-

this weekend? slacker! :)

what new parts on this list? (pommel)?

you can snag the 'S' shaped I did if you think its any better?

I just made it mode balacend a little. 1 3/4 base 1 3/4 S curve..

ArkaiHalon
04-23-2009, 06:51 PM
AH-

this weekend? slacker! :)

what new parts on this list? (pommel)?

you can snag the 'S' shaped I did if you think its any better?

I just made it mode balacend a little. 1 3/4 base 1 3/4 S curve..


what can I say. I'm lazy. or busy buildig sabers.

xl97
04-23-2009, 08:52 PM
Im just busting your chops chief. :)

Im just wondering what all you need to make? cant be too many.. is there?

thejedilestat
04-24-2009, 12:07 AM
sweet i have ben wanting to play around with these parts

ArkaiHalon
05-14-2009, 06:16 AM
http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt218/ArkaiHalon/Renders/update51409.jpg

Strydur
05-14-2009, 08:30 AM
Adding tonfa parts today.. once those are done (rendered) I will add them all to the builder.

xl97
05-14-2009, 08:36 AM
Tim are you doing boxes? I didntsee te new one or any of the older ones either?

although I do see some of the original clamps. just curious..

Hasid Lafre
05-14-2009, 08:44 AM
The second puece is that elongated style 4 style pommel right?

Also isent the style 6 mps about the same as the mpss(modular pommel switch system)

Strydur
05-14-2009, 09:21 AM
I will do box4 but not the others as they are not designed specifically for the MHS parts.

MPS6 and POM1 are different..POM1 is more rounded.

Hasid Lafre
05-14-2009, 09:22 AM
got ya.

ArkaiHalon
05-18-2009, 06:05 AM
Tonfa parts

Based on the images and dimensions in the store, I couldn't really tell a difference between the two pommels profile, if someone can let me knowany, I'll update these

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt218/ArkaiHalon/Renders/UPDATES51809.jpg

Onli-Won Kanomi
05-18-2009, 01:00 PM
Yay new renders! Thanks Arkai! And thanks Strydur for BH18.

Sairon
05-25-2009, 07:03 PM
awwww, i was going to do the tonfa handles, but whatever, and the pommels are the same except that one holds the switch.

ArkaiHalon
08-11-2009, 05:54 AM
the new grips

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt218/ArkaiHalon/Renders/grips.jpg

xl97
08-11-2009, 07:31 AM
very nice....

whats the height on those? (the image width/heiht)

Strydur
04-24-2010, 10:10 AM
Ok, time to update the MHS builder again. Here is what needs to be done up.

Blade holder 19
4" Double female grooved
Choke 3 long

Here is what I added today.

MPS3v1 - Done
Pommel 2 - Done
Ribbed Choke Combo - Done (it is 1/4" too long but no easy way to fix it)
Ribbed Grooved Choke Combo - Done (it is 1/4" too long but no easy way to fix it)

Let me know what else needs to be done. I am not sure if we can get the rings/tonfa parts to work correctly but I can try if someone models them.

Onli-Won Kanomi
04-24-2010, 11:46 AM
Let me know what else needs to be done. I am not sure if we can get the rings/tonfa parts to work correctly but I can try if someone models them.


Howabout the new long choke #3? I tried to mod it in MS Paint myself but the curve didnt look right...maybe someone with Photoshop could do better. Also the new pommel insert with the D-ring which sticks out? And the AV switch bezels and box? I suppose there is also the box for the bubblestrips but if you are redesigning them would you keep the same box? Thats all I can think of off the top of my head thats missing.

Strydur
04-24-2010, 12:07 PM
Added choke 3 long to list. Not sure how the AV bezel or box4 would work out.

Jester
04-25-2010, 02:33 PM
Mara Jade style grip section, unless i missed it someplace.

Strydur
04-26-2010, 11:26 AM
That would be the 4" double female with grooves.


I added holder 19 using a larger image that I took straight from my cad program. take a look at it and tell me what you think.. Yes it is sized wrong etc but do you think it looks nicer and would it be ok to use a larger size like this if the ruler was changed etc?

JamoUp
04-26-2010, 11:50 AM
I like the way holder 19 looks. If you could make them all like that it would be sweet.

xl97
04-26-2010, 11:51 AM
ahh..and now the true power of the Builder App is being used..

FOR SURE.. 100% those CAD image(s) are better..much preferred.

Im not sure QUITE that big.. but bigger is for sure gives you better detail, especially using a 2D exported image from a 3D model..

I have a few ideas on that as well..

like have a sorta psudo 3D (animated/rotating) preview of the 'individual' part (thoughts?)

anyways.. the ruler (as mentioned) would need to be saved....

but I think if you could comfortably fit up to a 14-15 inch saber on the stae at once, that would be nice.. longer..well they just have to scroll/drag I guess..LOL

the threads would have to all be re-done too to match new size..

you would need to set the 'scale' (benchmark) to use for all other parts...

(this also means you'd be the only one who can make parts for it now.) ;)

Shadar Al'Niende
04-26-2010, 02:09 PM
are we talking saber builder here? or MHS...i don't see what everyone is talking about..

Strydur
04-26-2010, 02:20 PM
They look very nice if I could make them even larger but this is about as small as you can get and still have decent clarity.

I thought about changing the overall size of the program but it is setup for 1024 width resolution which about 20% of our visitors still run at.

I realize I would have to do all of the images but at the same time I think it would be a lot easier since I already have them drawn up in the cad program and with images like this it gets complicated to draw them.

One idea I had was setting the program up with 2 images for each item. One a shaded view like the holder 19 I did and one a wire frame view. Not sure if that is something you could setup or not xl97. Click of the button it reloads the screen with different set of images? Or maybe only before the image is added..

Anyways..just some ideas.

xl97
04-26-2010, 02:52 PM
not saying it wrong or right.. but let me ask.. WHY? (re: the wire frames?)
(would have to be IDENTICAL renders..except onerendered in shades one in wire.. same positioning..etc.. (I might have an idea for this actually if you really want to implement it?)

maybe understanding the need/want better will give me more ideas on how to implement?

ona side note..

I think the psudo 3D viewing of each individual part may be somethign VERY cool to look at..utilize..

Im thinking each individual part will have a menu or 'detail' button.. that will load a 'pop-up' (or some new panel/screen) that displays the 3D model in an animated 3D 'turn' to show off the part? mayeb some quick dimensions od desc. as well?

This woudl require that you export say 8-16 images of each part.. each rotated slightly in your modeler..and exported.. so I can 'stitch' the images together in an animated 3D view so to speak?

thoughts?

as for feedback abotu making the app even wider.. I mean of course it CAN be done..

but its sort of a PITA.. lol.. but whatever it takes. Its a kick ass app (if I do say so myself..LOL).. so whatever keep its top notch and cutting edge.

Strydur
04-26-2010, 05:18 PM
If we added the wire frame we could also show the internal structure at the same time and give a idea of interior space...just a idea.

The 3d should be easier than it seems to be. There are programs such as edrawings but they require the user to download a viewer.

xl97
04-26-2010, 05:41 PM
well if you want to link to some other page that displays the '3D' stuff so its easier for you to export/maintain.. we can do that. I was trying to offer some solution to keep it all 'in-house' so to speak in the MHS builder..


as for showing/displaying an alternate view of the part.. like I outline above.. I believe it could be possible and still work well.. even another view one that is a full shaded/render version..but a cut away?

can you export an animation? If you can animate in your program..maybe there is a converter. Maybe it can even export to .swf? (alot of apps do)

Strydur
04-26-2010, 06:32 PM
I use solidworks which does have a lot of different save options but not .swf

xl97
04-26-2010, 07:16 PM
Does it do 'animation' sequence/export of any kind?

thats why I was thinking of some way to get a psudo 3D look/rotation of the part..by 'stitching' together several statci 2D images but of the part rotated say 15 degress (or whatever) each time..

replied to email as well..

Strydur
04-26-2010, 08:58 PM
I did a sample of a cutaway view. Its after the other holder 19..Let me know what you think.

xl97
04-26-2010, 09:15 PM
hmm..

to be honest my first impressiosn was that it looked 'backwards' (if that makes any sense?) lol

like the 'lighter' portion should be inside...??

anyone get this 'vibe' when you look at it?

can you do/export/post a wire frame too real quick?

how much smaller can you get as your maximum (minimum) size?

maybe post a few 'sizes' next to each other in 1 image for us to check out? see where we loose any kind of detail..and at what point/size?

I hope we can pull all this off?

I think having the choice to see all 3 states would be sick!

and its about time we use some quality images/renders for the parts!!!!!!!!!!

I mean MS Paint is fine and all..and in thebeginning it let everyone join in..and make their own renders.. and even alter/customize easily to relay the 'theme/idea'..

but it doesnt do the actual MHS system and the parts justice.

This move actually will make custom saber builder a bit relevent again! LOL.. since it is still largely based on MS PAINT MHS renders.

Jay-gon Jinn
04-26-2010, 09:18 PM
I like the direction this may be going. The added possibility of seeing the internal structure of the saber might be a bonus if there were also renderings on the battery holders and other electronics too.

xl97
04-26-2010, 09:33 PM
Im not sure about 'other' items..

I guess it'd be up to Tim to make images/models/renders of them..

and I suppose you could just turn off 'snap-to' effect..

but the app really wasnt built for layering like that.. so if touch hilt section (for example) the battery pack would go behind it..as the current/focus part is brought to the top of the z-index (above all other objects) so when dragging it around it looks correct.

Im really wanting to try something with this 'fake' 3D animation/rotation of the parts.

I think it'd be trick to see the individual part(s) rotated in a 3D view/plane to get a true 'feel' for what the part looks like.

(plus it'd make the application even that much cooler!) haha

PhoenixReborn
04-30-2010, 10:04 AM
Any idea when BH 19 and the 4" female grooved extension are gonna be added to either MHS builder? An update would be greatly appreciated.

mihunai
05-01-2010, 04:56 AM
How about adding an internals rendering option?
Adding parts with the right dimensions, and giving one along the side of the hilt view,
and one peeking into the saber view, simply stacking parts on top of each other.

Something like this comes to mind (just bigger)
http://s689.photobucket.com/albums/vv256/Mihunai/?action=view&current=MHSInternalViewer.jpg

mTm

xl97
06-09-2010, 05:08 AM
Spam alert!!!

Matt Thorn
06-15-2010, 09:14 PM
are we talking saber builder here? or MHS...i don't see what everyone is talking about..
Bumping Shadar's question here. Is there some beta version of a new Builder available somewhere? The MHS Builder linked from the store seems no different than it was a year or more ago, with the exception of a few new pieces. :confused:

xl97
06-15-2010, 10:33 PM
Im not sure what his question stems from..

but there are (technically) two builders out there..

the CUSTOM SABER builder.. which isnt really up-kept.. and has 'custom parts' NOT availabe from the TCSS store front.. they are nothing more that IMAGES created by a user and submitted so it can be used and mocked up for builds (before paying a machinist to make it and have it turn out ugly) lol..

the MHS builder shoudl have an unique update in the coming future..

Matt Thorn
06-15-2010, 11:04 PM
Im not sure what his question stems from..

but there are (technically) two builders out there..

the CUSTOM SABER builder.. which isnt really up-kept.. and has 'custom parts' NOT availabe from the TCSS store front.. they are nothing more that IMAGES created by a user and submitted so it can be used and mocked up for builds (before paying a machinist to make it and have it turn out ugly) lol..

the MHS builder shoudl have an unique update in the coming future..
Yeah, I'm familiar with that other "Custom Saber Builder." My question (and presumable Shadar's) stems from the discussion between Stryder and xl97, which sounds like it's about something completely different from the current MHS Saber Builder.

xl97
06-15-2010, 11:16 PM
Yeah, I'm familiar with that other "Custom Saber Builder." My question (and presumable Shadar's) stems from the discussion between Stryder and xl97, which sounds like it's about something completely different from the current MHS Saber Builder.


from what "I" know..

it is different then the current builder.. and is part of the new additions coming soon (if anyone can get any free time to make it happen) ;)

Shadar Al'Niende
06-16-2010, 06:39 AM
Yeah, I'm familiar with that other "Custom Saber Builder." My question (and presumable Shadar's) stems from the discussion between Stryder and xl97, which sounds like it's about something completely different from the current MHS Saber Builder.

Yup, that was why i was so confused, i didn't see the updates in either builder.


from what "I" know..

it is different then the current builder.. and is part of the new additions coming soon (if anyone can get any free time to make it happen) ;)

Sweet, i am looking forward to seeing this. Thank you for answering the questions i had guys!

xl97
06-16-2010, 07:25 AM
I believe the 'example' was only 'live' momentarily to get some quick feedback.

Braxus
09-09-2011, 08:52 AM
Hey guys. This thread is like over a year with no posts...

Just wondering if it was possible to get the pic files used in the current version of the TCSS Saber Builder?
i used to use the old 2D paint pics used in the old version for my prototyping and customizing, but these new ones are alot nicer. I use Photoshop to make custom pieces and to size parts before actually making it.

Just curious. if not.. no biggy. :D

darth_chasm
05-20-2015, 09:32 PM
Hey guys. This thread is like over a year with no posts...

Just wondering if it was possible to get the pic files used in the current version of the TCSS Saber Builder?
i used to use the old 2D paint pics used in the old version for my prototyping and customizing, but these new ones are alot nicer. I use Photoshop to make custom pieces and to size parts before actually making it.

Just curious. if not.. no biggy. :D

You can take a screen shot of the pieces and open them in Photoshop. You'll probably have to do some scaling to the screen shots to get them to the right size. The amount of scaling will most likely depend on you computer, monitor, etc. I'm on a 13" Late 2011 MacBook Pro (non retina) and scaling a system captured screen shot to about 109% is pretty close to actual size.

I however have been doing all my concepting and schematics in Illustrator. I find it much better for precise drawing etc. If you have Creative Cloud you can look to adding Illustrator to your subscription.

If i can get around to it, I'll draw up all the pieces and save them out as jpegs for people to fiddle with. No promises though :)

Forgetful Jedi Knight
05-21-2015, 05:57 AM
You can take a screen shot of the pieces and open them in Photoshop. You'll probably have to do some scaling to the screen shots to get them to the right size. The amount of scaling will most likely depend on you computer, monitor, etc. I'm on a 13" Late 2011 MacBook Pro (non retina) and scaling a system captured screen shot to about 109% is pretty close to actual size.

I however have been doing all my concepting and schematics in Illustrator. I find it much better for precise drawing etc. If you have Creative Cloud you can look to adding Illustrator to your subscription.

If i can get around to it, I'll draw up all the pieces and save them out as jpegs for people to fiddle with. No promises though :)

This post you replied to is almost 4 years old. Please do not resurrect old threads.