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desertscorpion
01-10-2006, 02:58 PM
Hey guys,

I just wanted to start a thread about favorite characters (including your original characters), lightsaber forms, dream lightsabers you'd like to construct, etc. I know that I could post this on one of the regular old starwars fan sites, but you guys are pretty serious if you own and build the good sabers, and hopefully I'll have to endure less people who's favorite character is always Boba Fett or Han Solo. I mean, those are some cool characters. Very, very cool. Very, very, very, very cool. And if they were transplanted to a different sci-fi universe they'd be the coolest, hands down, but really, if you have a vast selection of these dudes with lightsabers, jumping around, shooting lightning, living by codes of conduct, then all other characters pale in comparison to me. So post away...as long as Stryder is cool with it. I'll write more later.

GeluKhanGharr
01-10-2006, 04:26 PM
Qui-Gon Jinn is my man. To me by far cooler than any other character. The good guy who doesn't play by the rules, yet stronger in character than the whimpy Ani. May have something to do with the actor too. Liam Neeson is awsome.

Born of Sith, seduced by the light.
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desertscorpion
01-10-2006, 05:11 PM
That's what I'm talkin' about! I think Qui-Gonn had a real understanding of the force rather than a "point of view." He wasn't pretentious and didn't tell all of the white lies like the other "lightside" guys. His holistic understanding of the force is what I liked.

suit_man
01-10-2006, 05:21 PM
one of my favorite characters isn't a jedi or a gun-toting guy. i love R2-D2. he is just a little droid, but he is good at defending himself. like in epIII when he took out the two super battle droids. that was great.

i am a nerd, if you don't like it, i will cut you with my lightsaber

Mur-Pa DiLos
01-11-2006, 02:35 AM
I love that scene with Artoo, that whole chapter was hilarious all because of the little guy![:D]

My favorite characters are:
for the best female Jedi...

Mara Jade![}:)]

for the best male Jedi...

Mace Windu... too bad he finally decided to trust whiney Anakin huh?[8D]

Cyambin
01-11-2006, 05:08 AM
Mur-Pa DiLos, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

desertscorpion
01-11-2006, 09:04 AM
I have to agree that R2 is bad to the bone. He's like a living swiss army knife. And he almost always comes out on top. Until you look closely, you never realize just how much the other characters lean on him for help in a pinch.

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one of my favorite characters isn't a jedi or a gun-toting guy. i love R2-D2. he is just a little droid, but he is good at defending himself. like in epIII when he took out the two super battle droids. that was great.

i am a nerd, if you don't like it, i will cut you with my lightsaber
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dbraxton9
01-11-2006, 09:48 AM
did you like yoda better in the original trilogy or the prequels?

Cyambin
01-11-2006, 11:40 AM
The prequels! Yoda kicks so much ass

desertscorpion
01-11-2006, 12:39 PM
I like the yoda in the AOTC and ROTS. I think that that's just about as good as it gets. The one in Phantom is just scary. And the old one was good for it's time and will always be cemented into everyone's brain as the real yoda, but it was clearly just a puppet.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dbraxton9

did you like yoda better in the original trilogy or the prequels?
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skakid
01-12-2006, 08:29 AM
I'd have to go with Anakin, but not Skywalker, Solo. I know things didn't turn out so well for him in the NJO series, but I still like him. (I won't give away what happened incase anyone is reading it)

Cyambin
01-12-2006, 10:08 AM
Scary?? How?

dbraxton9
01-12-2006, 11:47 AM
I like him better as a wise old philosopher in ESB than as a drunk elderly Gremlin or as Kermit the Space Ninja. I think yoda should never have done anything violent in any of the movies. As a master of the force, he should have been beyond that. But Lucas loves his high-tech toy train set so much, he just had to make yoda into a weird little tough guy. The animation was incredible, especially in Ep3, but I think the character changed completely. I also think Frank Oz didn't do as good a job on the voice this time. He must have quit smoking or something, but the rough yoda voice sounds much more forced than it did in the 80s.

desertscorpion
01-12-2006, 01:24 PM
He just looked weird. I think the "drunk elderly gremlin" comment almost exactly mirrors what I was thinking about how he looked in Phantom. As far as the other comment about him being violent. What do you think Masters do? Convince the bad guys to all get together and make a giant fingerpainting? Masters are warriors, too. Yoda was forced to violence. Jedis are members of the government. The branch that exercises force, like policemen or soldiers, when need be. By the time of Luke, Yoda was even older and his best option was to lead from the shadows.<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Cyambin

Scary?? How?
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archammer2
01-12-2006, 02:20 PM
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What do you think Masters do? Convince the bad guys to all get together and make a giant fingerpainting?.
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... You mean they don't? Dammit, and I was looking to seeing the top half of Darth Maul doing a big rainbow in "Star Wars: Episode III and a Half: Lucas Needs More Money"

informalmyx
01-12-2006, 02:42 PM
lol i like Kyp Durron in the story and macewindu in hte movies

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dbraxton9
01-12-2006, 06:54 PM
In a universe where Darth Vader, the ultimate movie bad guy and archetype of evil, gets sentimental and just gives up and quits at the end, anything can happen! I didn't mean Yoda should be a pacifist, rather I think his style of combat should have been more meditative, more psychological (more Taoist!), and more subtle than a Tazmanian Devil with a lightsaber. Stormtroopers attacking Yoda should have suddenly turned their fire on each other, Count Dooku should have seen 100 yodas everywhere around him, growing to monstrous proportions and swallowing him alive in a twisted Force-fed hallucination driving him to suicide. The Ep3 battle between yoda and palpatine looked like a cat fight backstage at a drag show. why didn't they just pull each other's hair and give each other titty-twisters? while the emperor was throwing lightning, yoda should have been able to defend himself by slowing time or something classier, more mystical and less video-gamey than just doing the same thing back to him. That's just my opinion. i know most people think of Star Wars as just another action/adventure movie, but what sets it apart from LOTR and the Matrix etc. is the idea that the Force is greater than physical might. "Don't be so proud of this technological terror you have contructed. the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force." "Judge me by my size do you? And well you do not! for my ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is!"

LAN-ED-TUL
01-12-2006, 08:25 PM
in all, id have to my favorite was yoda. yeah, he shoulda done better against empee palpatine, but that dooku fight was really cool. only thing i see, is he's supposed to be one of the best of the best of the best, of the jedi order. if so, then all those guys he went against shoulda been no match for him. like said before, shoulda just waved his hand, and whooped palpy's butt with some kinda force power something or another. lol still, i thought they did a good job on the animation in 2 and 3 on him. in 1 it looked kinda crappy to me. to flakey lookin. they apparently noticed and did a better job in 2 and 3. if you compare all 3 together you'll see what i mean.

Cyambin
01-13-2006, 10:02 AM
dbaxton9. You are a genius. Those ideas are the best ever. I totally agree with what you said and I think Lucas should have listened to you. The prequels would have been SO much better...

dbraxton9
01-13-2006, 11:54 AM
Domo Arigato Cyambinsan!
Thanks for liking my ideas! I don't consider myself a genius, but I don't consider George one either. At least not anymore. I have tons of ideas about how the trilogy SHOULD have ended and about how the prequels SHOULD have been, but so what? Lucas says he will start prodction on the SW tv show in 2007 and he says he will shoot it on handycams. Maybe I can get my stuff on the screen then. If you want to discuss alternate Star Wars story ideas or fanfilms or anything else, email or IM me. I have 2 fanfilm scripts idling in preproduction and am considering story ideas for a third.
to get back on topic:
my favorite thing about Star Wars is how it introduced western culture to asian philosophy. I like OLD Obi wan and yoda. listen to the SW radio plays to hear these characters developed much more than they were in the movies.

"Judge me by my size do you? And well you should not! For my ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is!

Cyambin
01-15-2006, 01:27 PM
I think my favorite thing about Star Wars is when Samuel L. Jackson ignited his PURPLE lightsaber(although it started an unoriginal new color trend in the Expanded Universe) and he was totally a BLACK jedi with a PURPLE lightsaber(kickass). But then again when Yoda walks in that room and faces Palpatine, just waves his hand and the guards just drop to the ground that was HILARIOUS and everyone in the theater roared in triumph.

dbraxton9
01-15-2006, 05:43 PM
does anyone else here wish Lucas had cast Rudy Ray Moore as Lando Calrissian instead of Billy Dee Williams? I also thought Windu should have done more cool stuff like he did in the Clone Wars cartoon where he is clearly Captain Kickass. Has anyone here seen the 1978 Star Wars Holiday TV Special?

"Judge me by my size do you? And well you should not! For my ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is!

StrangeWings
01-15-2006, 09:08 PM
I saw...I have it on my comp actually. It was the WORST thing I have ever seen. 20 minutes of wookies talking about daily activities..[xx(]

dbraxton9
01-15-2006, 11:25 PM
did you see all of it? it's 2 hours long. there's a lot of BIZARRE stuff in it. in 1978 they anticipated both the internet AND web porn with that weird as hell part where chewbacca's dad puts on the helmet and watches that movie. I thought the animated Boba Fett adventure was great. most people get a kick out of it when i show them. the best part is seeing pre-rehab Carrie Fisher stagger around a console and stare into the camera with HUGE dilated eyes that don't track evenly. what in hell was she on?and the song she sings at the end....oh...my....gawd...

"Judge me by my size do you? And well you should not! For my ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is!

Mur-Pa DiLos
01-16-2006, 02:26 AM
Yeah, like WTF! If you see how the Jedi fight in Clone Wars versus the movies, it's like, Mace should be able to jump onto something after Palpatine and Anakin "beat" him. That was bs! It should not have been that easy! Anakin and Mace should have fought to at least show Anakins power! "The Chosen One!" Yeah right, I don't think so, how about "The Whining One"

Mur-Pa DiLos
01-16-2006, 02:28 AM
I liked Anakin in the original movies for his strength to come back and admit he was wrong. But honestly, after seeing him whine, I wanted to cry after seeing Ep. II. Clone Wars did better, but seriously how can a snively brat become the likes of Vader!?!? Hence why I like Mara Jade and Mace Windu, they are billy bad @$$ through and through.

desertscorpion
01-16-2006, 09:33 AM
Sorry, dbraxton, I totally misunderstood what you were implying with your statement. Yes, I agree. Seriously, if Yoda had been studying the force for almost a thousand years he should be well beyond using a saber, and your suggestions are exactly what I would expect to see. It should be something like the Neo from the Matrix or Dragonball Z. Whatever, it should look like, Yoda should be well beyond traditional hack and slash. You have some superb thoughts and I hope you get somewhere with your material. I did think that Clone Wars more adequately showed how the jedi, in my mind, would fight, and how they would act. As far as the eastern philosophy thing goes, I'm a Christian, so, to me, eastern philosophy and star wars philosophy is contradictory to itself and its logic ravels apart at the ends. <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dbraxton9

In a universe where Darth Vader, the ultimate movie bad guy and archetype of evil, gets sentimental and just gives up and quits at the end, anything can happen! I didn't mean Yoda should be a pacifist, rather I think his style of combat should have been more meditative, more psychological (more Taoist!), and more subtle than a Tazmanian Devil with a lightsaber. Stormtroopers attacking Yoda should have suddenly turned their fire on each other, Count Dooku should have seen 100 yodas everywhere around him, growing to monstrous proportions and swallowing him alive in a twisted Force-fed hallucination driving him to suicide. The Ep3 battle between yoda and palpatine looked like a cat fight backstage at a drag show. why didn't they just pull each other's hair and give each other titty-twisters? while the emperor was throwing lightning, yoda should have been able to defend himself by slowing time or something classier, more mystical and less video-gamey than just doing the same thing back to him. That's just my opinion. i know most people think of Star Wars as just another action/adventure movie, but what sets it apart from LOTR and the Matrix etc. is the idea that the Force is greater than physical might. "Don't be so proud of this technological terror you have contructed. the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force." "Judge me by my size do you? And well you do not! for my ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is!"
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dbraxton9
01-16-2006, 11:01 AM
eastern philosophy has nothing to do with logic. it's about paradox. but that's beside the point. Lucas is a kid in the world's biggest sandbox and he doesn't care about theme or character development or anything like that. he's into chase scenes, shoot-outs, dogfighting space ships and laser sword duels. i'm hoping the new SW tv show will be better than the prequels. maybe he'll use one of my scripts or let me direct...ha ha ha!

"Look at me! Judge me by my size do you? And well you do not! For my ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is!

desertscorpion
01-16-2006, 11:31 AM
Yeah, you're right, and that's what makes people REALLY get into a story - character development. Lucas's greatest asset is guys like you. Unfortunately, he has only listened to his fans to a limited degree in the past. To me, that's unwise.

Cyambin
01-16-2006, 11:44 AM
You dbraxton9 you forgot to add quotes to the end of your signature.

TorLinWaDur
01-23-2006, 11:55 PM
Favorite Character: Yoda
I like his fighting style when i was watching Attack of the Clones, and he did an awesome job fighting sidious in Revenge of the Sith.

Dream Lightsaber to have constructed:
* Darth Sideous (1)
* Exar Kun (1 & 2)
* Klye Kataran
* Luke Skywalker (5) Dark Jedi
* Mara Jade (3 & 6)
* Obi Wan Kenobi (2)
* Yoda (1)

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RayHayden
02-01-2006, 03:32 PM
Favorite Jedi: Obi-Wan, when he eventually transforms into the force, he is the only one who did it on his own terms - for a purpose.

For Strength and Power: Mace Windu, Sam Jackson does indeed have his own style!

Thoughts on...: If you have seen the cartoon series, The Clone Wars, then you will recall that the dreams and future predictions are discussed quite a bit between that and EPIII.

Lucas COULD make the end of EPIII and the entire original three movies a dream sequence of Anakin.

The Emporer turns Anakin on to the story of "Darth Plegus (phoentic) the Wise" could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to "create life". By now - in his life, Anakin ought to know that he had no "real" father and that HE was "created" from the midicholrians himself...

Now, in EPIII, he talks about the dreams with Yoda and in the cartoon series, Obi-Wan gives great instruction on the fact that dreams about the future are determined by how we deal with them (or something of the sort). In all his training and education of the Force, and working with Obi-Wan, you would think that he would have a better handle on this and NOT be so easily duped by the emperor.

OK - enough backround... There is more than enough drama available to recreate additional movies OTHER than the original three to "save" Anakin from killing all the younglings and to actually save the Jedi Order.... so along those lines...

What is YOUR thoughts on WHEN is the best scene to "correct" the great error of Anakin from ever really becoming Darth Vader?

I am a Star Wars Geek... May the Force have pitty on my dweeby soul... lol

Mur-Pa DiLos
02-02-2006, 06:10 AM
I think that he should have just listened to Padme and talked it over with Obi-Wan about them two. Obi found out in the end anyway. Also, I think that if he would have just listened to Yoda's advice, he would have let go the dreams and none of it would have happened. If Palpatine is so powerful, who's to say that he didn't plant those dreams in the first place to get Anakin to succumb.[;)]

Also, I think Mace shoulda just wooped on Anakin for being a whinning pup and Palpatine. Mace rules![:D]

Mur-Pa DiLos
02-02-2006, 06:13 AM
Also, on another note, I think that the Jedi Order was beginning to be corrupt. How can being in love be a bad thing, in fact Anakin's love for Luke and Leia is what saved him in the end. I think that is the main message after seeing all the episodes in order. To be so apathetic to not feel anything like the Order was trying to achieve was wrong. To have compassion is a strength, not a weakness. Especially for the warrior.

desertscorpion
02-02-2006, 09:57 AM
You're dad gum right! That IS the failing! The order failed anakin! The logic is all wrong! Their aloof distance rather than a warm loving attitude, like Qui-Gonn had, is exactly why Anakin felt so alienated. He never felt comfortable enough to fully reveal all his fears! It wouldn't have mattered, anyway, because he wouldn't have received the support he needed from his mentors. I know that he couldn't have mommy around, but they could have, at least, gone back and set her free. Even so, love conquers fear. So many things were wrong. Obi-wan, to me, was the most responsible. Even though, according to the council's outlook, he was the consummate jedi. When I was a kid, only looking at the surface, the movies seemed to be good versus evil. Now, that I'm an adult, and can catch the underlying meanings. It's more like confused versus evil. Or more like liberals versus dictators. I could go on forever, so I won't.


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Also, on another note, I think that the Jedi Order was beginning to be corrupt. How can being in love be a bad thing, in fact Anakin's love for Luke and Leia is what saved him in the end. I think that is the main message after seeing all the episodes in order. To be so apathetic to not feel anything like the Order was trying to achieve was wrong. To have compassion is a strength, not a weakness. Especially for the warrior.
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Mur-Pa DiLos
02-03-2006, 11:37 AM
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Seriously how can love be bad? If the council understood Anakin, or if they even had a clue, none of it would have happened to him. I think his best mentor, although unfortunately for only a short while, was Master Halcyon. He had a wife and a son. He would have helped him. Qui-Gon Jinn would have been a great mentor as well. I also think that Yoda would have helped, he really did for all that Anakin told him. Yoda out of all of them, would have understood. He's kind of like Prof. Dumbledoor in Harry Potter, he knows practically everything, he just lets others do as they feel they need to. He believes in self worth and freedoms, even if that person makes the wrong choices instead of the right ones, like Anakin and his son Luke.[:D]
Clone Wars definitely showed how the Jedi really were.

Cyambin
02-03-2006, 01:40 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mur-Pa DiLos

Clone Wars definitely showed how the Jedi really were.
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Oh yeah baby.

desertscorpion
02-03-2006, 02:17 PM
Yeah, clone wars made me think that Anakin was awesome, while the movies made me want to give him a diaper and a pacifier.

RayHayden
02-03-2006, 03:36 PM
OK, ok I see some of you have seen the Clone Wars too... Mace Windu SPECIFICALLY falls extreme distances and walks away - in fact ALL OF THEM DO. In EPIII, ONLY Obi-Wan falls a great distance - albeit in water, but "no one could have survived that fall" as one of the clones says - yet Obi-Wan, after being shot by a canon, does just that.

Mace should have sliced and diced the Emperor BEFORE Anakin got there - and your right - I am certain that he planted the dreams...

Oh yes... Palps is indeed running the entire show and being all powerful and the sort BEFORE all the stuff hits the fan. He MUST see that all the Jedi are doing everything they can - at all costs to protect and guard HIM, not knowing he is Sith... You would think that maybe he would have noticed that he might be able to play his hand a whole lot further WITHOUT all the hatred... but I digress...

Lastly - lightsabers do cast a shadow - EVEN when not lit...

EP-VI, Darth Vader and Luke are in battle. Luke jumps up on a catwalk and Darth tosses his lightsaber to cut it down and Luke tumbles from one floor above Darth to one floor below him.... OK... Darth Vader now strolls down a short set of steps to the level where Luke is at. As he walks down the stairs, look to the right side of the stair case "wall". You will see the shadow of his light saber. Why would something that MAKES light cast a shadow? But it is not even ON... as he reaches the bottom steps, he lights up his saber for more battle...

I was kind of in shock when I noticed that one three weeks ago. Yet another editing error...

The obvious as to why I suggest a dream sequence for the IV, V and VI is that they are way off!

Obi-Wan has no clue who R-2 is, when he depended so much on him early on, Darth couldn't figure that his own family MIGHT know something about anything... and the many story line errors in the first (last) four movies...

If so many geeks like me are to depend on a lifetime of space movie drama, certainly, George and company could easily find a lot more drama for Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace and the rest without depending on the original series... done right - they could solidly lock in on new generations of adoring fans...

OK, I am sappy too... love would conquer all. I think of my basic thoughts on society: whilst I do love the fact that there are other people walking the planet with me, I certainly know that there are a great many that I don't want to eat lunch with. That being said, I like the Jedi Code theory of caring and "never attack", but defend quickly and deftly.

Cool posts... time will tell what Lucas Films will bring forth.

Ray

Cyambin
02-04-2006, 01:47 PM
You noticed a lot of plot errors. In fact there's a site where Star Wars fans send comments that usually note plot errors. It is www.supershadow.com- too bad the webmaster is a huge fraud. It's actually pretty funny. There's even an online petition to Lucasfilm against him! Just google "supershadow".

headwound
02-07-2006, 10:30 AM
of all the characters I enjoy in the star wars univers my absolute, positively, best loved, want all his merchandise character is....HK-47. That's right, the rust colored protocol droid from KOTOR 1 & 2. I absolutly love that guy. I want them to make an unleashed figure of him soooo bad!!!

desertscorpion
03-03-2006, 02:36 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RayHayden

OK, ok I see some of you have seen the Clone Wars too... Mace Windu SPECIFICALLY falls extreme distances and walks away - in fact ALL OF THEM DO. In EPIII, ONLY Obi-Wan falls a great distance - albeit in water, but "no one could have survived that fall" as one of the clones says - yet Obi-Wan, after being shot by a canon, does just that.

Mace should have sliced and diced the Emperor BEFORE Anakin got there - and your right - I am certain that he planted the dreams...

Oh yes... Palps is indeed running the entire show and being all powerful and the sort BEFORE all the stuff hits the fan. He MUST see that all the Jedi are doing everything they can - at all costs to protect and guard HIM, not knowing he is Sith... You would think that maybe he would have noticed that he might be able to play his hand a whole lot further WITHOUT all the hatred... but I digress...

Lastly - lightsabers do cast a shadow - EVEN when not lit...

EP-VI, Darth Vader and Luke are in battle. Luke jumps up on a catwalk and Darth tosses his lightsaber to cut it down and Luke tumbles from one floor above Darth to one floor below him.... OK... Darth Vader now strolls down a short set of steps to the level where Luke is at. As he walks down the stairs, look to the right side of the stair case "wall". You will see the shadow of his light saber. Why would something that MAKES light cast a shadow? But it is not even ON... as he reaches the bottom steps, he lights up his saber for more battle...

I was kind of in shock when I noticed that one three weeks ago. Yet another editing error...

The obvious as to why I suggest a dream sequence for the IV, V and VI is that they are way off!

Obi-Wan has no clue who R-2 is, when he depended so much on him early on, Darth couldn't figure that his own family MIGHT know something about anything... and the many story line errors in the first (last) four movies...

If so many geeks like me are to depend on a lifetime of space movie drama, certainly, George and company could easily find a lot more drama for Anakin, Obi-Wan, Mace and the rest without depending on the original series... done right - they could solidly lock in on new generations of adoring fans...

OK, I am sappy too... love would conquer all. I think of my basic thoughts on society: whilst I do love the fact that there are other people walking the planet with me, I certainly know that there are a great many that I don't want to eat lunch with. That being said, I like the Jedi Code theory of caring and "never attack", but defend quickly and deftly.

Cool posts... time will tell what Lucas Films will bring forth.

Ray

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Ray,

I respect your views, but this post has had me utterly confused ever since I read it. And even if some of your views are star wars canon, then the canon contradicts itself. Here's my theory, and even if it's wrong, I still think that it would make more sense based on the context of other star wars universe laws:

There is no way that Anakin was created by Plageus or that Palpatine implanted the dreams. Anakin must've been created by The Force. Any form of creation, healing, or good thing by very nature and definition would have to be the result of the light side. And if it was of a light side jedi, it would have to be one of IMMENSE power. The darkside, no matter how you view it is inherently swift, seductive, and destructive. The lightside is the one that takes patience, practice, and good will. Learning any lightside power wouldn't even make sense to a sith. Moreover, any form of life preservation or creation by a sith using the darkside, at best, would be something out of night of the living dead. Sith are only interested in ending life. Palpatine must have found out of Anakin's miraculous origin after the fact and concocted the story so that he would seem to have something to offer Anakin that the jedi couldn't: the power to create life or prevent death. Kind of a parallel to the Devil offering Christ the world. He would've said the same thing too, if he thought it would've worked.
Palpatine couldn't have implanted the dreams. As the audience, we were able to see that the dreams predicted exactly what happened - not just a general paranoia or fear of losing Padme. She was on the operating table and everything. Anakin's responsiveness to the Force allowed him to see the future...or what might be, depending on your view. And Palpatine didn't kill Padme. He would've had to implanted exact dreams and then been able to kill her exactly the way the dreams predicted. No, Palpatine was just riding the wave of the way The Force was swinging at that time - the darkside direction. And he was willing to lie, cheat, and take all of the credit for his good fortune, but it was just a cyclic thing and the "balance" happened to be swinging in the siths' favor for a season.

xwingband
03-03-2006, 02:54 PM
Dreams are a very profound thing to Jedi and all instances come to no good. Sifo-Dyas, Jorus C'baoth and Anaking are all instances where dreams/visions of the force turn to bad. Even Luke's I must go to Bespin vision lend to s*** happening.

The implanted dream idea just doesn't fit with that and Yoda's words on them. In many ways dreams and visions are the easiest way for the darkside to tempt and trick. Jedi are told to use their instincts and trust the force so when something so clear comes through like that it's hard to not act on it. In fact not acting on this hint of the force is the key. By acting on it they are trying to subvert the will of the force which is the very foundation of the darkside.

If I had to pick that is the true distinction of dark vs. light, it's not the use of the force, but the intention. Is it serving you or the greater good. (Very NJO line of thought there. I just finished Outbound Flight too.)

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tazrob
04-21-2006, 07:20 AM
Call me corny but I loved the whole CPO in the arena, "this is such a drag" "I am beside myself" I always thought the whole OT was based on R2 and 3P0's story.

LDS_Trooper
04-21-2006, 08:40 AM
Just adding my .02 on the "How to correct Anakin's error"

If one was to see Anakin as he is.. his own strengths and weaknesses, then one would see that Anakin's downfall and eventual seduction to the Dark Side began on Tatooine.

When the news came that he was free, his joy was overwhelming... so much so that for a moment he forgot about the captive nature of his mother. Then when that reality hit, Anakin could not let go.

Anakin's lack of ability to let go of the things he most feared to lose (as offered by Yoda) is his downfall. It is my opinion that Anakin's fall to the Dark Side began in Episode One in the scene where he had to leave his Mother for the first time. The lack of self-control to allow himself to go and leave her lead him to the hateful destruction of the SandPeople and to his obsessive nature to control things. The Emporer knew this and used it against him "it wasn't the first time Anakin, remember the SandPeople?".

One falls to contrary ideals, from "good" to "evil" when they begin to agree with half truths. The greatest deception the Devil ever pulled off was telling the truth.. this is also true of the Dark Lord of the Sith.

That's my .02 take it or leave it. [8D]

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Darth Poo Head
05-01-2006, 09:53 AM
Well,
To get this somewaht back on topic, my favorite things about Star Wars and the little lessons that it can teach you with regards to every day life. There's not a day that goes by that I'm not quoting some line of Yoda's, Vader's, or Kenobi's to one of my employees....and lightsabers. I mean really, has there ever been a cooler weapon ever in any movie?

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informalmyx
05-01-2006, 10:13 AM
thinking about sw is the fact that when i talk about lightsabers and jedi my grandmother understands and enjoys espally since she thouhgt mark hammond was hot .

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Darth Poo Head
05-01-2006, 10:41 AM
[quote]Originally posted by informalmyx

thinking about sw is the fact that when i talk about lightsabers and jedi my grandmother understands and enjoys espally since she thouhgt mark hammil(fixed) was hot .

Yea, that's cool. I also like the fact that my 6 year old daughter and I can share Star Wars. The entire reason I bought my first MR saber was beacuse she loves to play lightsaber fighting. She has all of the ROTS Hasbro ones, and I'm up to 2 MR's. Once Anakin that's apart to be converted, and one Vader that's stock...for now. Next to buy is the Maul.



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desertscorpion
05-01-2006, 11:26 AM
Lord Poo,

We've patiently awaited your arrival. A cloud of stench preceeds you, as usual. What is thy bidding, my Master?[}:)]

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[quote]Originally posted by informalmyx

thinking about sw is the fact that when i talk about lightsabers and jedi my grandmother understands and enjoys espally since she thouhgt mark hammil(fixed) was hot .

Yea, that's cool. I also like the fact that my 6 year old daughter and I can share Star Wars. The entire reason I bought my first MR saber was beacuse she loves to play lightsaber fighting. She has all of the ROTS Hasbro ones, and I'm up to 2 MR's. Once Anakin that's apart to be converted, and one Vader that's stock...for now. Next to buy is the Maul.



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informalmyx
05-01-2006, 11:42 AM
Poo Head post your avatar in this topic to have it added under your name


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05-01-2006, 12:46 PM
Thanks for the welcome desertscorpion, you now know why my avatar is wearing a mask, lol and the info informalmyx.

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desertscorpion
05-01-2006, 01:34 PM
I have to agree wholeheartedly with your comments about the lightsaber being the coolest weapon in a movie ever. I've always said that the lightsaber was 80% of the attraction of starwars, for me. Without that, it would be just a really cool space movie, and that's it. Ok, the Force is cool, too. So, maybe the lightsaber is 50% of the attraction of starwars.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Darth Poo Head

Well,
To get this somewaht back on topic, my favorite things about Star Wars and the little lessons that it can teach you with regards to every day life. There's not a day that goes by that I'm not quoting some line of Yoda's, Vader's, or Kenobi's to one of my employees....and lightsabers. I mean really, has there ever been a cooler weapon ever in any movie?

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naashar
05-05-2006, 11:14 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by desertscorpion

I have to agree wholeheartedly with your comments about the lightsaber being the coolest weapon in a movie ever. I've always said that the lightsaber was 80% of the attraction of starwars, for me. Without that, it would be just a really cool space movie, and that's it. Ok, the Force is cool, too. So, maybe the lightsaber is 50% of the attraction of starwars.

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You know what? It wasn't like that for me until after the release of Episode I. Which coincided with my newfound (at the time) interest in the classic Kung-Fu flicks and my just getting into Tai-Chi and Chin Na.

S'funny how the universe..excuse me..the Force works, ain't it?

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desertscorpion
05-05-2006, 12:24 PM
It was Maul's saber, wasn't it? [}:)] It was Ray's awesome moves, huh?

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I have to agree wholeheartedly with your comments about the lightsaber being the coolest weapon in a movie ever. I've always said that the lightsaber was 80% of the attraction of starwars, for me. Without that, it would be just a really cool space movie, and that's it. Ok, the Force is cool, too. So, maybe the lightsaber is 50% of the attraction of starwars.

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You know what? It wasn't like that for me until after the release of Episode I. Which coincided with my newfound (at the time) interest in the classic Kung-Fu flicks and my just getting into Tai-Chi and Chin Na.

S'funny how the universe..excuse me..the Force works, ain't it?

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james3
05-05-2006, 12:35 PM
Now you know all us older guys sat there and watched Maul(Park) dazzel us with some wicked @$$ Saberstaff fighting.
I still get chills watching the begining last stage of the fight between Obi-Wan and Maul. That first sequence that finnishes of with Obi-Wan doing the Parry back and coming to parry front in the same time Maul smacked left, shift, right...Oh man that was awsome[:D]

Oh I so need my TV fixed so I can throw in the DVD.

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desertscorpion
05-05-2006, 12:54 PM
That's so funny because Phantom got so much negative press. And I didn't even think it was that hot until years later when I studied it and gave it a chance. I finally grew to enjoy it more than the other movies...at least the duel sequences. And it's funny about the left, right, left scene...that's the exact scene that I've rewound a hundred times, and it never gets old. That scene is like nitrous oxide. And I personally like it better than even ROTS. Now, I actually think that ROTS may have been better and probably was technically superior in the choreography, but I didn't like the camera work. I don't think that they had enough close-ups of all the hand to hand. All that practice gets wasted with lava taking up 70% of the shots. Oh, well.

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Now you know all us older guys sat there and watched Maul(Park) dazzel us with some wicked @$$ Saberstaff fighting.
I still get chills watching the begining last stage of the fight between Obi-Wan and Maul. That first sequence that finnishes of with Obi-Wan doing the Parry back and coming to parry front in the same time Maul smacked left, shift, right...Oh man that was awsome[:D]

Oh I so need my TV fixed so I can throw in the DVD.

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naashar
05-06-2006, 12:52 PM
Finally! Two kats who know from whence I come! lol

Yeah, that whole scene, from when Obi is waiting on the other side of the shielding, bouncing in anticipation ("I can't WAIT to get at this clown!"), then he RUNS at Maul! I can't tell you both how many times I've played, rewound, slowed, rewound, played, rewound...you get the idea...the whole left shift right action! Even as Maul is going for Obi's HEAD..I'm sitting on my couch thinking, "Oh, my; this changes everything!"

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Darth Poo Head
05-06-2006, 01:24 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by james3

Now you know all us older guys sat there and watched Maul(Park) dazzel us with some wicked @$$ Saberstaff fighting.
I still get chills watching the begining last stage of the fight between Obi-Wan and Maul. That first sequence that finnishes of with Obi-Wan doing the Parry back and coming to parry front in the same time Maul smacked left, shift, right...Oh man that was awsome[:D]
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That whole saber duel at the end is the reason I went and suffered through the other two + hours of Ep. I in the theater eight times. The beginning when the doors open and Maul is just standing there with his head down, and looks up with his eyes as <u>Duel of the Fates</u> starts to pick up still gives me goose bumps. Then the sound effects of Maul’s saber spinning are just, for lack of a better term, Freakin Bad A$$. I can not get the stereo on my home theater loud enough during that part. Ray Park’s moves were just so cool, and the character he played so just simply evil that I have to admit, I was literally mad the first time I watched the movie and Kenobi killed him. I wanted him to last until Vader came along to kick his behind. That would have been an awesome duel.[}:)]

Speaking of Ray Park, did anyone else notice his little “Maul like” pike spin in X- Men?


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naashar
05-06-2006, 01:38 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Darth Poo Head

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Now you know all us older guys sat there and watched Maul(Park) dazzel us with some wicked @$$ Saberstaff fighting.
I still get chills watching the begining last stage of the fight between Obi-Wan and Maul. That first sequence that finnishes of with Obi-Wan doing the Parry back and coming to parry front in the same time Maul smacked left, shift, right...Oh man that was awsome[:D]
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That whole saber duel at the end is the reason I went and suffered through the other two + hours of Ep. I in the theater eight times. The beginning when the doors open and Maul is just standing there with his head down, and looks up with his eyes as <u>Duel of the Fates</u> starts to pick up still gives me goose bumps. Then the sound effects of Maul’s saber spinning are just, for lack of a better term, Freakin Bad A$$. I can not get the stereo on my home theater loud enough during that part. Ray Park’s moves were just so cool, and the character he played so just simply evil that I have to admit, I was literally mad the first time I watched the movie and Kenobi killed him. I wanted him to last until Vader came along to kick his behind. That would have been an awesome duel.[}:)]

Speaking of Ray Park, did anyone else notice his little “Maul like” pike spin in X- Men?


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Oh, yeah! He did that as sort of an homage to the character who put him on the map.

The whole "Duel of the Fates" scene..too thorough. I've assigned that as my brother's ringtone on my cell; we've made up lyrics to the song ("Obi-wan-and-qui-gon-fight-darth-maul", and "Darth-Maul....darth-maul" during the major chords); the sound of him spinning the saber reminds us of an angry growl. Very gutteral, y'know? I, too was upset at his demise. But, like Dooku, like Ventress, like Grevious, he was but a means to Palpatine's ends.

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Mor-El Kesav
05-06-2006, 01:47 PM
The "Duel of the Fates" music score is my favorite of all the Star Wars movies. What got me hooked on the Series was the series of events that lead up to the Catina scene in ANH. That was our first taste of the Jedi, and Obi demonstrated that he was indeed the Master, handling the Storm Troopers winning the bar fight without even really trying. Watching that "old geezer" Obi Wan take out those bar brawlers in 1.5 seconds flat hooked me. Obi Wan Kenobi became my favorite Star Wars character at that point and remains my favorite today.

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i love general grievous.ever since i saw him i was just melting he was so cool and i love his moves he is so agile especially in clone wars, he kicked but bigtime.i hate how he dies in rots, no effense to george lucas or anyone but i thoght it was kinda cheap being shot in the gut sack.[xx(]

Daj Nallig
05-07-2006, 06:52 AM
Favorite elements of the Star Wars movies...hmmm, don't know if there is enough space here- O.K., here.s a reader's digest condensed version:
Favorite characters- Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Mace Windu, Count Dooku, Darth Maul, Han Solo & Chewbacca, R2D2 & C3PO, Luke(ROTJ). (I wish Mr. Lucas had seen fit to flesh out other Jedi characters: Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, Luminara Unduli & Ki Adi Mundi to name a few)
Favorite weapon: The whole Lightsaber concept (the coolest weapon to EVER come down the pike!)
Favorite action sequences(outside of saber fights): starfighter dogfights, podracing, the speederbike bit w/ Luke & Leia on ROTJ.

On to the dream lightsabers-
If I can find a piece of walnut 2" x 2" X 12", I'm gonna kidnap my Father-in law's wood lathe and turn a wood hilt that I can adapt some MHS parts to(I can see my wife's expression now), I also plan to build a sink tube saber or 2 or 3 or....
well, better stop now, or I'll never stop[xx(]

darthdave
06-27-2006, 07:25 PM
I really have a hard time picking just one character I've read every single book and several come to mind. I think Corran Horn is an awesome Jedi. I also have to agree that Anakin Solo is one of the coolest because of his similarity in view to Quigon Jinn. His faith in the force
makes him more in tune than the average Jedi.

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darthdave
06-27-2006, 07:55 PM
I was wondering how to post my avatar....amazing thing that thread index. Woohoo http://www.avatarity.com/avatars/0/1/174.jpg

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Drewbacca
08-12-2006, 09:40 PM
Wookiees.

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Do-Clo
08-13-2006, 06:00 AM
Darth Vader, no surprise there[}:)]

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Enoch
08-14-2006, 01:34 PM
I guess in my humble opinion, the thing about Ani being concieved by the phantom "force impregnagank" could have happened... Usually a particular siths "evilness" determines how twisted his creations...some sith just don't seem to care for life others like to twist. I think also that Yoda may have been doing everything he could have, where he should have been a bit more advanced then ls combat I think that the way the movies put it is just easier to digest, on the other hand I think that Yoda did concentrate on being a spactacular Lightsaberist and so that's what he sported when he wasn't out to just mindlessly incapacitate he whiped the whoopin rod of green illification out and put it down..if you didn't matter you made like one of the red guards as he walked in..I'd say that was about as Taoist as it get's...and as Jeedai/pimp as it gets. The only thing I'd change(from my perspective Sidious and Yoda were ok..Yoda more seasoned and about equally powerful) Yoda used superior tactic however Jeedai don't exercise "power" they are a bit more balanced than that too personally I think that Yoda should have just deafened Sidious to the force or blanked his memory(however if you read shatterpoint it clearly goes over that a basic Jeedai technique is to just cancel other force powers as their being used) so to me Yoda just made a command decision and figured rather than chance a fight on unfamiliar ground to wait till Palpatine was comfy and complacent and then use an unknown element to strike him out(Luke). My favorite Jeedai is by far Mace Windu, then probably Jacen Solo..I would advise you all to read a book called "Shatterpoint" if you haven't already....it makes Mace Windu so much more REAL and less PIMPIFIED as he is in the movies...

Now psycology dictates that most do better at a given task when they enjoy it...that said... It's a little dangerous for a Jeedai to "enjoy" a fight to the death(or possibly so) and this book explains in GREAT detail how Vaapad(maces own JKD if you will his own saber art-the completion of Juyo)and how it requires the combatant to ENJOY the fight to LIKE it and it challenges a Jeedai to understand the difference between loving what you do and loving the intention or the reason why...I would have to say I like Master Windu because he's got the "shatterpoint vision" ability and that he just keeps good tabs on what's up around him...he doesn't let the door smack him if you follow...

Now on to the subject of the fall of Ani/rise of Vader. I say this:

Anikin, regardless of the Tattoine jober where he can't let go of things, also he isn't given enough reason to trust the Jeedai that train him in the first place...the council sort of becomes the architect of it's own demise in that respect. If he had a good reason for trusting them he would have...if someone had played the confidant game like Sidious did just from the Jeedai side of the field he wouldn't have ever been so close to him. Also, I think that(as Sidious was a practitioner of battle meditation)probably did in addition to smacking down the "shroud of the darkside" on the general city area also cause increased anxiety in Ani and he'd have no clue where to see it come from, then of course someone can tell you that you should learn to let go of everything you love, but if you don't trust them you wouldn't give them the time of day. The shroud thing I think made Ani the most trouble..if the Jeedai couldn't peer into the future period muchless the future of an individual or know much by the way of farsight, then of course they wouldn't trust Ani. Soooooooo Sidious just hung Ani's life at the end of a chain and dangled it right and any man true to his word would do ANYTHING for his family..personally I would have just stayed home with my woman, and unborn child and let the world that didn't trust me go to hell in a handbasket but that's me lol.. Yea, so then he got the whole paranoia complex and couldn't trust anyone and now that he's killed those he was sheltered by(while up until Master Windu's death he didn't really infringe on any mandates just the marriage part..and it seemed to strengthen him in my opinion)he finally found acceptance with the Sith, and found that he got more power and the opportunity to make the galaxy EXACTLY how he wanted it, in his overstressed underpaid, overworked, lied to, untrusted, plotted against, made a tool of, disrestpected, untolerated, unwelcome position it was the best and ONLY choice..it was guaranteed and encouraged not mistrusted and discouraged.

sorry for the overlong post, here's my opinion lawl

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