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Fett263
08-14-2018, 06:10 AM
Hi All,

I am new to the custom saber scene but a 20+ year veteran of SW costuming (501st) and props. I wanted to post about my first build to pay forward all of the great advice I read and received. Having never built a custom saber, and especially not a neopixel, I took my time and read up and asked questions of one of my Garrison members, and big contributors here, Megtooth Sith (Thanks Tom!). I went back and forth on in-hilt or neopixel and then ultimately just jumped in with both feet after reading up on the successes and difficulties others had here and elsewhere. Overall, it was not as difficult as I thought it would be but It was also full of trial and error, setbacks and problem solving.

While reading and deciding on my design I took my time and planned out what I wanted, and kept note of pitfalls and troubles others ran into to try to avoid any catastrophic mistakes.

Here’s the major parts I used:
• Korbanth Crossguard 2.0 hilt
• Prizm 5.1 sound board
• Goth 3Designs Padawan Chassis Variant 1 Style 2
• 18650 high drain battery
• 28mm bass speaker
• For connectors I went with GX-16 connectors for a few reasons (more below) with ShotkCustomWorx holders for the connectors
• I picked up the skinny neopixels from China via a major online retailer ;-)
• For my quillion blades I picked up 3D printed unstable blades from TheProplicator (I requested them to have a larger inner diameter to fit the neopixels and blade film and they came out great) I also picked up the unstable sleeve for the main blade to finish off the look
• The rest is all the basics you’d expect

I’m using three different GX-16 connectors for my build; 5-pin, 4-pin and 3-pin.
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Main blade is a 5-pin connector
1. Positive (battery)
2. L1, L2 from board
3. Data Line (from Quillion 1 for Trident support)
4. Negative (battery)
5. Negative (board)

This allows me to go without a kill key, instead the main blade connects the battery and board, when the blade is inserted pin 4 and pin 5 connect the battery negative to the board. It also allows me to recharge using the main blade connector with a charger connected to pins 1 & 4 since there wasn’t a good location for a recharge port on the hilt.
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Quillion 1 is a 4-pin connector
1. Positive (battery)
2. L1, L2 from board
3. Data Line
4. Data Line End (return from last quillion pixel to enable Trident support - this connects to the Data Line for the main blade)

Quillion 2 is a 3-pin connector
1. Positive (battery)
2. L1, L2 from board
3. Data Line

I opened up the side ports to 7/8 inches to accommodate the GX-16 connector and holder. I just used a dremel and sanding drum to open them up by 1/8 inch.

I came up with a different solution for the AUX switch as well. My AUX is located in the middle of the emitter cutaway to make it look like part of the inner parts of the blade. I was also a more natural location for me when holding the saber. I used a standard momentary switch (which helps with feeling it with a glove on in costume) and I tapped the hole and threaded the switch from the inside. Now this took tweezers and a LOT of patience but I was happy with the end result. It puts the AUX switch opposite the main switch for simple pressing.
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For my main blade I used the standard foam, diffuser, clear blade build but for my quillions I got 3D printed unstable blades because I preferred the look both lit and unlit to the straight quillions. I had the blades opened up a little on the inner diameter (after discussing with the designer) to be able to get the strips as deep as possible. I’m using varying thicknesses of blade film to diffuse, the base of the blade is thicker and does a good job with diffusion but the ends are thinner so I had to use additional wraps to prevent “corn-cobbing”. The end result came out great (IMHO) and looks even better in person than the pics show.
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Here's a quick vid of it in action:
https://vimeo.com/284838040

I’m still fine-tuning the weathering and final details on the saber, I wanted to make sure everything was working perfectly electronically before gluing on the final parts, etc. More pics once I get the rest of the parts installed...

Meatsweats
08-14-2018, 01:11 PM
Dude nice. Thanks for posting this. I’m in the process of getting all the stuff for the same build just with a proffieboard. How are the quillons diffused with the blade film? Do you see any corncobbing or shadowing? I think he said he changed the inner diameter of his quillons to 9mm so I’m thinking maybe about using trimmed down 5050 strips.

Fett263
08-14-2018, 02:18 PM
Dude nice. Thanks for posting this. I’m in the process of getting all the stuff for the same build just with a proffieboard. How are the quillons diffused with the blade film? Do you see any corncobbing or shadowing? I think he said he changed the inner diameter of his quillons to 9mm so I’m thinking maybe about using trimmed down 5050 strips.

Sure, I essentially rolled the blade film into a tight tube (like the "Corbin" style blades) around the pixel strip itself, it was really just trial and error for the thickness needed (I probably should have kept track of the final lengths but I didn't at the time). Since the end of the quillion thins out I did need additional wraps for the last 4-5 pixels.

Here's the assembly, for the end of the strip I cut a small piece and rolled the film tightly around the strip itself and used a very small piece of clear tape to keep it tight on the last 4-5 pixels for extra diffusion.
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Then I rolled another "tube" out of the film to cover the full length of the strip, also very tightly rolled to fit into the cavity, this tube isn't attached to the pixels but is pretty snug around them. I also cut a small piece of foam to support the base and keep it in place (it doesn't actually cover any pixels).
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The blade itself gives the rest of the diffusion, I had his original set but couldn't get the pixels in far enough so I requested he open up the inner diameter and he got it really well opened for the next set almost to very tip. The original set didn't need as much film because the walls were thicker, so when I got the new set I had to re-test with a longer piece of film but eventually got it to just the right place.
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It took a few "tests" to get it just right but I had extra film to mess around with. I got it to the right thickness to where there was no "corn-cobbing" and the color was consistent with the main blade.
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I hope that helps, I want to say the main tube was made out of about 5 ~ 6 inches of film rolled tightly (just based on the scraps I had left) but it may have been a little less as I started thick and slowly trimmed back to get to the desired result. The cover over the last 4-5 pixels was maybe 3 or 4 wraps if memory serves.

Meatsweats
08-14-2018, 02:57 PM
Extremely helpful! Thank you!

Tom Tilmon
08-14-2018, 04:17 PM
Awesome job Fernando!!!!! Now we gotta get those quillion delay programmed in. I hope you left enough spare wires for that other board we talked about!!!! Now, I need to build a Korbanth. It came out great!

Tom

Seth Skywalker
08-14-2018, 04:42 PM
Good job, and nice saber pick. Kylo's crossgaurd is one of my favs. I really like the unstable quillons you have.

Fett263
08-14-2018, 04:45 PM
Awesome job Fernando!!!!! Now we gotta get those quillion delay programmed in. I hope you left enough spare wires for that other board we talked about!!!! Now, I need to build a Korbanth. It came out great!

Tom

Thanks Tom, and thanks for the help throughout, I'm still tweaking the Prizm settings using the manual, open to input on best parameters if you've determined. I did leave spare wire for a future upgrade. Definitely not done yet, but the hard part is over...

Fett263
08-15-2018, 11:53 AM
OK, played around with the settings and got the delay worked out on the quillions. Take a look:

https://vimeo.com/285153849

Tom Tilmon
08-16-2018, 09:26 AM
Awesome.

Fett263
08-16-2018, 05:59 PM
Finished up the details, here's just a bunch of pics and new video

Saber Hilt
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Kylo Ren
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New Video
https://vimeo.com/285409490

Meatsweats
08-17-2018, 06:10 AM
What wire clips and belt clip are those btw

Fett263
08-17-2018, 06:20 AM
What wire clips and belt clip are those btw

Wire clips are from Gustavo, his KR Cable Holders. I had to fill the mounting holes on the Korbanth since they are snaller. The belt vlip is from =JJ Industries.

Meatsweats
08-17-2018, 06:54 AM
I’m sorry, the clips are KR Sabers? I’m not familiar with Gustavo. Are the clips themselves for sale somewhere?

Fett263
08-17-2018, 07:24 AM
PM incoming

Hdjoe
08-17-2018, 09:10 PM
Damn that’s beautiful!!! Great job!

Fett263
08-20-2018, 04:08 PM
Damn that’s beautiful!!! Great job!

Thank you.

Note sure if anyone's thought of this or posted, but since I do events I needed a safe and secure way to transport the saber so I picked up a Plano "Take Down Gun Case" for pretty cheap to store and transport the saber, it fits perfectly. Just thought I'd share for anyone looking.

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Tom Tilmon
08-20-2018, 09:47 PM
too bad that video was in a nice house instead of a dark grungy place, that would have been scary.

Fett263
08-21-2018, 07:04 AM
too bad that video was in a nice house instead of a dark grungy place, that would have been scary.

I'll have to scout out a new location and do it over ;)

Fett263
08-31-2018, 01:57 PM
Small update - I'm using Goth-3Designs Var 1 chassis but I did not include the keystone holder when I initially built, instead I ran a JST connector and originally had a wired 18650 battery connected. I have now upgraded from the 18650 to a 21700 battery (for longer run time). It fits perfectly, you just won't be using the inner cover from the the cutaway section.

Here's a how I did it. The top cover fits perfectly over the top you just need to lay the JST connector and wire flat along the bottom of the chamber. So for neopixel with the existing chassis you can easily handle the 21700 in the Korbanth in case anyone was unsure.

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Tom Tilmon
09-04-2018, 04:10 AM
That is awesome news for me! Thank you!!!!!

Tom

Darkmatter73
09-06-2018, 09:14 AM
This is great! I'll be doing something similar soon. Where did you get the 21700 already wired?

Darkmatter73

Fett263
09-06-2018, 10:53 AM
This is great! I'll be doing something similar soon. Where did you get the 21700 already wired?

Darkmatter73

I got it from KR Sabers

Fett263
09-11-2018, 11:21 AM
Another small update, I swapped out my AUX switch, originally I had a small momentary switch threaded from the inside in the cutaway section, but over time using it the metal and threads were too thin and the switch started to get loose on me. I opted to replace with a small tactile switch (the same one Goth 3D uses in his solution) but mounted in the same spot by pulling the wires through the opening from the old switch. I painted it to look like "the insides" of the saber to blend it in, it's a little more noticeable than the momentary switch but it won't give me trouble with usage since it's mounted from the outside. Since my saber is for trooping primarily, I'm not as worried about the button- but if you're after more accuracy it may not be for you. I still think it looks good, but I did like the aesthetics of the old switch a little better but from a practical POV it was starting to give me trouble so I swapped it so I can use it without worry.

Might be an option for others so here it is:
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Tom Tilmon
09-11-2018, 03:52 PM
Trooping sabers have to be tough, flexible, and fairly accurate. Tough comes first.

Tom

Fett263
09-11-2018, 04:01 PM
Trooping sabers have to be tough, flexible, and fairly accurate. Tough comes first.

Tom

Exactly, just in the couple of weeks of playing around with it the other switch started to get too loose and there wasn't enough thread to keep it still so I had to modify, better to find out now and switch then get to an event and have it push in on me. Nothing worse then getting to an event and having something break or not work, so I usually beat things up at home and try to prep before I take out in public. Originally I wanted something in that general spot to press since it just felt more natural to me holding the saber so I went with the momentary switch but there just wasn't enough metal for the threads to really grab, so back up plan went into effect after first attempt started to give me trouble.

Down the line I may pick up a back up and build a whole new one, this was my first saber build so I made some mistakes and also learned a lot, my next foray will be exponentially better. Need to save up some money first, and hope this hurricane doesn't cause too much damage to the house and property...

Tom Tilmon
09-11-2018, 05:58 PM
Its very addictive. I'm more into building these custom sabers now than costuming. I spent 7 anal retentive months putting together and sewing my Kylo. Now, all I care about is lightsabers. I have a TK to build and a Vader. They just sitting around looking at all my saber stuff!

Fett263
10-06-2018, 06:37 AM
Had my first event with the saber last night, I got just about an hour of continuous run with the 21700 before I started to get static in the audio. I quickly swapped out to my backup and kept on going.

https://vimeo.com/293706288
https://vimeo.com/293706288

Manannin
10-25-2018, 02:24 AM
Your saber looks great, really nice work!
Did the JJ Industries clip fit using the pre-existing holes or did you need to drill/tap a new one?

Fett263
10-25-2018, 04:16 AM
Your saber looks great, really nice work!
Did the JJ Industries clip fit using the pre-existing holes or did you need to drill/tap a new one?

Thanks, the clip fit but I replaced the screws, you probably could just re-tap also, but the holes lined up so I just found screws that fit.