Saberforge: Fury Pommel question

[aepostle]

So I bought a saberforge fury hilt off ebay and was thinking the pommel would have ports in it making it ready for sound if I wanted to add it.

I had figured on buying the electronics for the sound, etc from here and installing it later. But the saber came and the plug is just solid aluminum with threads. My question is, will the MHS pommels work with this?

Thanks.

-Dan

[Starwinder]

I don't personally own any saberforge hilts, but I highly doubt they are MHS compatible. I've heard that their hilts are smaller than the 1.25" ID of MHS pieces. But don't take my (hearsay) word for it; you'll have to measure it yourself to find out. :)
Your best bet might be to just drill holes in the pommel cap to vent for sound.

[Ty_Bomber]

Nope, the threads don't match. If you have a drill press it should be pretty easy to make the sound holes, if not a dremel and a lot of patience should do the trick.

[Silver Serpent]

Depending on how you mount the speaker, it's not strictly necessary to have sound vents in the pommel. I'm a big fan of forward-facing speakers with holes drilled near the blade holder.

[aepostle]

Thanks guys. I guess my question is that the plug itself is just a solid one inch bar with some threading on it. Not what I was expecting at all when compared to the quality of the pommels and other parts on this site. So that having been said since it's basically a solid cylinder I'm assuming I'd have to "chew out" some depth on the inside of the plug without taking too much material out to damage the threads so that I can have space to mount a speaker. It wouldn't need to be too deep just deep enough to mount the speaker in. Then the holes drilled from the outside into that new chamber would allow the sound to come out.

I dunno maybe I'm over-thinking it. But when I opened the box I had the "awww crap" moment when I noticed the plug, and it's just been downhill since. I mean even simple things like the "weathering" that was done to the hilt looked awesome at first but last night when I was messing around with it, I noticed my hands were blackened. I checked the hilt and there was a noticeable loss of paint etc from the hilt. I don't think this is normal is it? The ad says that the sabers are duel-ready but the blade is extremely whip-y. Just in swinging and when I smacked it against the blade of another saber I have.

Yeah overall pretty bummed about it.

[Starwinder]

Maybe you can drill the sound holes further up the hilt. Like SS suggested, you don't necessarily have to mount the speaker in the pommel. And in your case, you might save yourself a few headaches if you avoided that route.

Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Unfortunately, experiences like yours aren't uncommon from what i've heard :( It seems to be hit or wayyyy miss with Saberforge.

[aepostle]

Yeah, it was really weird. I got this note in the box that I would get a 10% discount on future purchases if I give the guy a 5 star rating for the purchase. And then there was another note with more regarding the fact that he needed to keep 4 1/2 to 5 stars to keep his shop open on ebay..... That just struck me as bizarre....

[Forgetful Jedi Knight]

Yeah, it was really weird. I got this note in the box that I would get a 10% discount on future purchases if I give the guy a 5 star rating for the purchase. And then there was another note with more regarding the fact that he needed to keep 4 1/2 to 5 stars to keep his shop open on ebay..... That just struck me as bizarre....

Without getting into specifics... somehow that doesn't surprise me.

[Ty_Bomber]

I would go with reverse sound at this point. It seems like boring out and drilling holes in that pommel would be too much effort when you could just mount the speaker towards the front of the saber.

Also, his weathering is really just spray paint and sanding. I don't even think he takes the time to bake it on.

[toothdkdds@gmail.com]

I've actually had much better experiences w/ SF recently:

http://www.therpf.com/f9/saberforge-fury-reveal-162094/

why not just contact him and request purchasing a 2nd sound-capable pommel? If you bought a stunt, why would you think the pommel would be vented??

[aepostle]

Yeah that's what I'm gathering as far as the weathering he put on still needs to be baked in. Problem is I need to deconstruct the hilt, removing all electronics to attempt a bake which sucks.





I've actually had much better experiences w/ SF recently:

http://www.therpf.com/f9/saberforge-fury-reveal-162094/

why not just contact him and request purchasing a 2nd sound-capable pommel? If you bought a stunt, why would you think the pommel would be vented??



As for reaching out to the guy goes. I have on numerous occasions over the past week or two since the saber has been delivered. And I did ask to buy the sound capable pommel if he had one available. But as of right now I haven't gotten anything back from him except a reply to an email I sent regarding shipping 3 weeks ago when I asked him why the USPS website still showed the status of the shipping as "electronic information received..." a week after he emailed me saying that the saber had shipped.

Today I replied to his email through ebay with all of those emails that i sent before that went unanswered. This time though I reminded him that I hadn't given feedback yet regarding the order. I told him I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and give him an accurate review in the feedback. I'm hoping this works out and gets his attention.

As for thinking the pommel would be vented, goes, with the fact that he adds sound to the sabers as an option it seemed like a logical possibility that he would have that built into his sabers. And in checking the images on the listing it did look to me as there were holes in the pommel. But I'm guessing now that those were all stock pics as the weathering I got looks nothing like the weathering on the pics.

And this saber is not a stunt saber, at least not from a duel-worthy perspective not with the blade the guy sent. That is unless you like the idea of dueling with a tuning fork lol....

I'm glad Tooth that you had good luck with this guy. And I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But it does seem like he's having trouble. Even his ISP hosting service had posted "bandwidth limit exceeded" on his site for a day or so last week. Maybe he's just going through a tough time. I dunno. We'll see.

[Silver Serpent]

The term "stunt saber" refers to a saber without sound. It has nothing to do with the duel-worthiness of the saber.

I sincerely hope you end up with a saber that you are happy with. Hopefully with some modifications and TLC of your own, you can make your new acquisition into something you'll be proud of.

[aepostle]

Thanks for clarifying that definition for me Silver. Yeah I've heard the term stunt-saber used but it's always been in the context of videos with people dueling..... Some where sound/fx are present.

[Caine Drathul]

Everything you say about your experience doesn't surprise me. I am sorry it happened to you.

My suggestion is that you re-sell that hilt on ebay and buy parts from the store here and make your own saber.

You will always get the best from here and never have any issues that would not be handled in a professional manner.

[aepostle]

You will always get the best from here and never have any issues that would not be handled in a professional manner.

I see you had the same responses I did. Yeah it's a shame. I really really like the feel of the hilt. But yeah, I'll give him a couple days before I post feedback on ebay and deal with that drama. Looking back on some of his replies to feedback he gets a little ugly....

You know the thing I like the most about the saber was the blade holder. I probably should have just had the guy here do some custom milling for that same look.

[Caine Drathul]

I see you had the same responses I did. Yeah it's a shame. I really really like the feel of the hilt. But yeah, I'll give him a couple days before I post feedback on ebay and deal with that drama. Looking back on some of his replies to feedback he gets a little ugly....

You know the thing I like the most about the saber was the blade holder. I probably should have just had the guy here do some custom milling for that same look.

And Strydur would do a 100X better job. ;)

[dgdve]

If you use your imagination and some good planning ANYthing can be done with MHS... Its amazing stuff.. from the cannon types to the most unique and jaw dropping one offs in history.. most of them have some roots in MHS.

Im sorry to hear about your experience but some companies are different then others.. TCSS has never had an issue over year and years (and we all pray for years to come) Please dont let it turn you off from the community at large (its mostly just good natured guys) but yeah.. the darkside is out there.. waiting to absorb your money into the fold and ignore you.

Its no place of mine to say left or right whats best for you... My advice.. Dont flame over ebay, who cares (and who will actually win).. IF it didnt specify with sound holes AND he will not respond to your plea's to sell you the correct part (not replace it for free)... Just let it be. Resell it as brand new and move on to the wonderful (and safe) possibilities MHS gives, as well as the comfort and support here in the TCSS forum world...

They dont always "sugar coat it" as some may like, but its accuracy is never in question so your build quality will benefit from the tutorials and techniques here. (Some of the saber legends are proud to speak of thier tcss roots!)

Honestly the shiney websites and over the top photoshop skills of some of the "bigger" companies (like SF or US) leaves a pretty large gap between what you initially See... and what is eventually/hopefully delivered.. The horror stories of wrong color this, and hot glue that.. are always swept under the rug. Its true and its sad to say.. "the darkside is all to real"

Only trust what you know (Never some young, overly excited, squeky kid on youtube who's basically getting paid in promotion discounts to leave good review's..).. The TCSS gallery and forums is tons of customer quality reviews.. Years of improvements and refinements by Tim.. Tons of new parts.. It's all here.. Documented for years.

TCSS does cool sales (like happy may 4th be with you).. BUT (as far as I've ever known) TCSS NEVER PAYS FOR REVIEWS.. that's just kinda almost dirty in my mind so no wonder everyone says how "awesome" they are.... (not your fault)

Resell it my friend (or be stuck with it)... What's your option if it has another more serious issue sometime down the road when its still under its "warrenty"... Are You willing to ship it in and wait for it to come back? (and play email and tracking # tag, Again)..

Im just saying 20min in the MHS builder and a well though out email to Tim explaining any requested customizations in detail can produce..... Mmmmm Smexy!

[Ty_Bomber]

If you use your imagination and some good planning ANYthing can be done with MHS... Its amazing stuff.. from the cannon types to the most unique and jaw dropping one offs in history.. most of them have some roots in MHS.

Im sorry to hear about your experience but some companies are different then others.. TCSS has never had an issue over year and years (and we all pray for years to come) Please dont let it turn you off from the community at large (its mostly just good natured guys) but yeah.. the darkside is out there.. waiting to absorb your money into the fold and ignore you.

Its no place of mine to say left or right whats best for you... My advice.. Dont flame over ebay, who cares (and who will actually win).. IF it didnt specify with sound holes AND he will not respond to your plea's to sell you the correct part (not replace it for free)... Just let it be. Resell it as brand new and move on to the wonderful (and safe) possibilities MHS gives, as well as the comfort and support here in the TCSS forum world...

They dont always "sugar coat it" as some may like, but its accuracy is never in question so your build quality will benefit from the tutorials and techniques here. (Some of the saber legends are proud to speak of thier tcss roots!)

Honestly the shiney websites and over the top photoshop skills of some of the "bigger" companies (like SF or US) leaves a pretty large gap between what you initially See... and what is eventually/hopefully delivered.. The horror stories of wrong color this, and hot glue that.. are always swept under the rug. Its true and its sad to say.. "the darkside is all to real"

Only trust what you know (Never some young, overly excited, squeky kid on youtube who's basically getting paid in promotion discounts to leave good review's..).. The TCSS gallery and forums is tons of customer quality reviews.. Years of improvements and refinements by Tim.. Tons of new parts.. It's all here.. Documented for years.

TCSS does cool sales (like happy may 4th be with you).. BUT (as far as I've ever known) TCSS NEVER PAYS FOR REVIEWS.. that's just kinda almost dirty in my mind so no wonder everyone says how "awesome" they are.... (not your fault)

Resell it my friend (or be stuck with it)... What's your option if it has another more serious issue sometime down the road when its still under its "warrenty"... Are You willing to ship it in and wait for it to come back? (and play email and tracking # tag, Again)..

Im just saying 20min in the MHS builder and a well though out email to Tim explaining any requested customizations in detail can produce..... Mmmmm Smexy!

Quoted for Truth. If it would fit, I would put that in my sig.

[airsoftmode]

Hey there, I'm saberforge, saw this thread and thought I should chime in. If only to defend TCSS blade supplies.

"The ad says that the sabers are duel-ready but the blade is extremely whip-y. Just in swinging and when I smacked it against the blade of another saber I have."

You know your talking poo about tims products right? I buy the most expensive polycarbonate tubing that the custom saber shop sells to use for my blades. You might want to refrain from disparaging Tim's parts, since this is Tim's forum. Just a thought.

As far as the weathering goes, my weathering is free, I don't charge for it, it will wear off over time and actually look more natural. If you wanted to go ahead and find any other smith who offers a CNC hilt with a thick walled blade, metal av switch, high end led holder, and free weathering for 129.00 I would love to see it.

You can send in your pommel to have me make it sound ready, you will just need to cover the return shipping costs. If you would like a new sound ready pommel you would have to purchase it.

NO I DO NOT MAKE MHS COMPATABLE PARTS!! I don't steel intellectual property, and I would never make parts that use the same thread pitch as the one pioneered by my long time supplier TCSS, I respect him and his business, and unlike some other saber makers, I don't step on his intellectual property.

[aepostle]

Got an email notification about the reply this morning and just had to shake my head.


"Yes, my order of polyc tubing got back ordered, but my supplier did not inform me, I had to rush order from a different vendor when I found out. - saberforge100"

That was the excuse you gave for not shipping it out after you said it was already in the mail. So is Tim the guy you normally buy blade mats from or someone else? I'd like to believe you went with someone else because Tim's supply was backordered and that I was just unlucky. Maybe it was just a bum sale I dunno, I've moved on. But from what I've heard after posting here, through pm's and emails and reading forums elsewhere my, order experience with you was not unusual.

Honestly, it's pretty bad when an ebay customer service rep actually tells you that you should open a case because of how you're treated by a seller. When I called to doublechecked whether it was allowed for you to solicit favorable feedback responses with the promise of discounts, he reviewed the emails and opened the case for me based on the grounds of how I was being treated. I sincerely doubt that Tim would treat his customers this way. But you already know about this situation because I was forthcoming with you from the start. And this was disclosed in the claim request that was forwarded to you via ebay customer service.

With all this said hopefully you can understand that I don't necessarily believe that my exact "whippy" saber blade came from materials you purchased from Tim. So if you're hoping to use this to leverage an apology or retraction you're wasting your time. I'm not about to apologize because what I got was crap and how I was treated was crap. Plain and simple. The only good thing that came from this sale is that it reaffirmed that I need to stick with reputable shops like Tim's.

I did find it kinda interesting that even while we were "working" on this situation with ebay you went to the extent to track me down and send me a facebook friend request..... Needless to say I wouldn't expect an add.....

-Dan

[Strydur]

I think everyone had a chance to get their point across. Please deal with any other issues with this privately.