different tubes?

[Ewok0412]

Hi I was looking at corbins lightsaber manuel and I decided to try one of the projects he explains. But it calls for 1"OD tube with 1/16" sidewall, and a 1/2" inner tube. Where do I find these parts? I have searched on google, and nothing related came up.

Thanks!

Ewok

[xwingband]

Search for plastics dealers. Specifically look for "PolyCarbonate Tubing". Sometimes adding "extruded" or "cast" to that can further narrow it (if you are wondering for our purposes it doesn't matter which, cast is more expensive though).

I always just go to http://www.mcmaster.com/ They have a lot of stuff period... I notice you will need 8' lengths though for those sizes.[xx(]

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[Ewok0412]

Thanks!

When I order can I place in comments I only want like 3 feet?

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[xwingband]

Nope, they will probably send you an e-mail about that or end up changing it for you. They probably won't cut it for you, and if they do ypu will get 8' no matter what.

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[Firebird21]

This makes me wonder...


What are the PolyC tubes actually used for?
I'm sure that the manufacturer doesn't make them for the sole purpose of Lightsaber blades.

Edit:Updated for the 1" tube

Part Number: 8585K35 $3.78 per Ft.
-Impact Strength
14 ft.-lbs./in.
-Material
Polycarbonate
-Shape
Structural Tubes
-Structural Tube Shape
Round
-Round Structural Tube Type
Plain
-Structural Tube Tolerance
Standard
-Outside Dia.
1"
-Outside Dia. Tolerance
±.015"
-Inside Dia.
3/4" (.75")
-Inside Dia. Tolerance
±.015"
-Color
Clear
-Operating Temperature Range
-40º to +200º F
-Performance Characteristics
Flame-Resistant/Flame-Retardant
-Rockwell R
118
-Tensile Strength
9,000 psi



And according to that price, Tim looses about $2.00 per blade sale.
Although I'm sure he doesn't pay that.

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[Ewok0412]

Yah I was thinking the same thing.



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[Yoiaholic]

Great point firebird! I'll look it up today.

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[Yoiaholic]

Taken from a website, this is how we used to do our papers in HS, college professors were too smart lol.

Polycarbonate is a tough, dimensionally stable, transparent thermoplastic that has many applications which demand high performance properties. This versatile thermoplastic maintains its properties over a wide range of temperatures, from -40"F to 280"F. It is available in three types: machine grade; window and glass-filled. It is the highest impact of any Thermoplastic, transparent up to 2" in special grades, outstanding dimensional and thermal stability, exceptional machinability, stain resistant and non-toxic with low water absorption.

Machine Grade is relatively stress free to permit the most demanding machining. It is also available in glass-filled. This polycarbonate is perfect for high performance uses in tough applications over a broad temperature range.

Window Grade is optically clear, providing total luminous transmittance and very low haze factor. The high impact strength makes it resistant to repeated blows, shattering and spalling.

Glass Filled
Glass-reinforced polycarbonate is finding principal applications in designs where metals, particularly die-cast aluminum and zinc, are commonly used. The coefficient of thermal expansion is reduced by nearly 75%, thus equaling that of some metals. While glass-reinforced has less impact strength than standard grades, it is still tougher and more impact resistant than most other plastics and die cast aluminum.


ADVANTAGES TO POLYCARBONATE

Impact strength
Unnotched polycarbonate is virtually unbreakable, making it extremely safe in areas where parts may be exposed to impact. When exposed to repeated heavy blow, the material tends to cold form rather than shatter.
Electrical
Polycarbonate is excellent for electrical applications, because of its high dielectric strength and high volume resistivity which decreases only slightly as temperature or humidity is increased.

Machinability
Parts can be easily machined from standard metal working tools. No special tools are needed, and finished parts can be polished to a high gloss. Water or water-soluble cutting oils should be used when machining polycarbonate, since some standard cutting oils will attack the material. Polycarbonate can be machined on standard metalworking or woodworking equipment. Its unique properties permit it to be machined without chipping, splitting, or breaking.

Annealing
Polycarbonate slab (Zelux) has been stressed relieved using Liquo-Temp annealing process. In some instances where extensive machining is required, a secondary annealing of semi-finished parts is highly recommended. Secondary annealing can be accomplished by heating parts at 250"F in a desiccated air circulating oven for one hour per one inch of thickness. After heating, the oven should be turned off and allowed to cool to room temperature spontaneously.

Bonding
Polycarbonate can be mechanically bonded by standard methods. It can also be cemented by using a solvent such as methylene chloride or adhesives such as epoxy, urethane and silicone. Polycarbonate and also be ultrasonically or vibrationally welded.

Removing paint or other materials
Fresh paint may be removed by rubbing lightly with a cleaning material such as isopropyl alcohol, or VM-P grade naptha. Then the sheet should be washed immediately with a mild soap or detergent in warm water, and rinsed thoroughly with clean water. Grease and glazing compound may similarly be removed from the surface with the above mentioned cleaning materials. Weathered paint may be lifted off the sheet with masking tape. Razor blades or other sharp scraping tools should never be used.


MORE ADVANTAGES TO POLYCARBONATE

Formability
Standard polycarbonate sheet is not heat formable; however, formable sheet is available on a custom basis. Standard Lexan polycarbonate sheet can be heat formed with proper pre-drying. Lexan sheets up to 114" may also be cold formed under special conditions.
Cleaning
Kleenmaster Brillianize may be used. (Also see Novus) Products such as abrasive or highly akaline cleaners, acetone, carbon tetrachloride, benzene or leaded gasoline should not be used, and the sheet should not be cleaned in hot sun or at high temperatures.

Scratch Removal
Craftics 20/20 Plasti-Polish Scratch Remover is often all that is required to subdue hairline scratches and minor abrasions. Any polish, however, should be tested first on a sample area of the polycarbonate sheet.
San Diego Plastics stocks Craftics 20/20 in 8 ounce and 1 gallon sizes. (Also see Novus)

Decorating
Polycarbonate products will accept painting, printing, or vacuum metalizing as decorating methods.

UV Stabilization
Natural and Black Machine grade and Window grade are UV stabilized. Polycarbonate rod, machine grade, is not UV stabilized, but is available on custom quotation.


APPLICATIONS

Lenses
High temperature and pressure windows
Face shields
Industrial equipment and housing components
Medical equipment components
Instrument components
Electrical insulators and connectors
Aircraft & Missile components
Portholes in pressure chambers
Jet pump impellers and diffusers
Automotive parts
Card guides
Assembly line cogs
MATERIAL AVAILABLE

Machine Grade
(not recommended for "see-through" applications).
Clear or Black
Unmodified - 3/8" to 4" thick
Glass-Filled* - 1/8" to 4" thick
49" x 97" sheet up to 2" thick
Window Grade
(recommended for "see-through" applications).
Unmodified -112" to 2" thick
Glass-filled - not available
49" x 97" sheet up to 2" thick

Custom Sheet
Flame retardant
FDA/Medical grade polycarbonate is approved for contact with wet and dry food applications and meets US. Pharmacopoeia regulations.
Premium optical grade sheet
Colors

Rod and Tube
Natural, black and glass filled formulations.


PRODUCT DESCRIPTION PRIMARY SPECIFICATION
Polycarbonate, Natural and Black ASTM D-3935 PC110B34720
Polycarbonate, 20% Glass-filled ASTM D-3935 PC110G20A33230


AGENCY APPROVALS OR LISTING : FDA, USP
BASE RESINS TRADE NAMES : Lexan®

MECHANICAL PROPERTIES:
Specific gravity (ASTM D 792) : 1.20
Tensile strength, Ultimate (ASTM D 638) : 9,000 p.s.i.
Elongation at break (ASTM D 638) : 130%
Tensile modulus (ASTM D 638) : 3.1x10~5 p.s.i.
Rockwell hardness (ASTM D 785) : R118
Impact strength (73° F) (ASTM D 256) (notched) : 17.0 ft-lb/inch
Flexural strength (ASTM D 790) : 14,200 p.s.i.
Flexural modulus (ASTM D 790) : 3.4x 10~5 p.s.i.
Wear factor against steel 40 psi 50fpm : 2500x10~10
Coefficient of friction 40psi 50fpm : 0.38 Dynamic

THERMAL PROPERTIES:
Melting point : 310° F
Heat deflection at 66 psi (ASTM D 648) : 285° F
Heat deflection at 264 psi (ASTM D 648) : 270° F
Maximum serving temperature for short term : 275° F
Maximum serving temperature for long term : 240° F
Thermal conductivity (ASTM C 177) : 1.35 Btu-inch/hr-ft~2- ° F
Specific heat : 0.30 Btu/lb- ° F
Coefficient of linear thermal expansion (ASTM D 696) : 3.7x10~5
Applicable temperature range for thermal expansion : 0-200° F

ELECTRICAL PROPERTIES:
Dielectric constant at 60Hz (ASTM D 150) (73° F, 50% RH) : 3.2
Dissipation factor at 60Hz (ASTM D 150) (73° F) : 0.001
Volume resistivity (ASTM D 257) : 10~17 ohm-cm
Dielectric strength (ASTM D 149) : 380 v/MIL

MISCELLANEOUS:
Water absorption - 24 hours (ASTM D 570) : 0.15%
Water absorption - saturation (ASTM D 570) : 0.35%
Density (ASTM D 792) : 0.0434 lb/inch~3
Flammability (UL 94) : V-2
Weathering Resistance : Limited resistance (UV Sensitive)

EDIT: The best use for this (though I am biased) is hockey rink glass. Even in roller hockey we get the pucks up to 80+ mph. I've never seen glass broken at my local college rink.

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[Firebird21]

That's most impressive…


And informative. Kudos to you, Yoi, for your research.

But it still doesn't say where the PolyC tubes are most commonly used, specifically. Like what do people buy this stuff for?

They seem to me to be most practical as decorative. Like something you'd see in a Vegas water display or something...


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[Yoiaholic]

Taken from above:


APPLICATIONS

Lenses
High temperature and pressure windows
Face shields
Industrial equipment and housing components
Medical equipment components
Instrument components
Electrical insulators and connectors
Aircraft & Missile components
Portholes in pressure chambers
Jet pump impellers and diffusers
Automotive parts
Card guides
Assembly line cogs

EDIT: I take this to mean that everyday people don't buy this stuff, which makes us a very special bunch indeed.
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[Firebird21]

I was thinking more specifically...


Like what part of the Missile?



Missile.... Cool...[:p]


We use Missile parts on our sabers... huh huhuhuh huh huh




Sorry...
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">EDIT: I take this to mean that everyday people don't buy this stuff, which makes us a very special bunch indeed.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

You didn't need that tidbit of info to figure that out![:p]

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[Yoiaholic]

No, but I can bring cold hard proof to my GF that while I might be crazy with this stuff we are in good company. [8D]

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[Strydur]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">And according to that price, Tim looses about $2.00 per blade sale.
Although I'm sure he doesn't pay that.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

When you buy 1000 at a time you can get them a little cheaper =)

Tim
The Custom Saber Shop

[Phantom21]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Strydur

When you buy 1000 at a time you can get them a little cheaper =)

Tim
The Custom Saber Shop
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Then you cut them in 1/2 you get a lot of lightsaber blades!

No wonder you needed to move![;)]

[Lord Maul]

welcome to the boards phantom [:D]

so tim, you have probably only bought poly C tubes once i'm guessing, i dought you have sold 2000 blades [:D]

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lord Maul

welcome to the boards phantom [:D]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Thanks

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Lord Maul

so tim, you have probably only bought poly C tubes once i'm guessing, i dought you have sold 2000 blades [:D]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

There's 1,785 members as of this moment...
Most probably just signed on to see what it was all about, but there are some on here that use Tim as there supplier for their saber business, and probably more than make up for those that didn't buy anything..

I'd say he has.
Or is very close

[Firebird21]

2,000 blades...


That's $28,000 in blades in your shop![:0] I hope you have insurance![:p]

It never really clicked until now how much money you have invested into this...

That's just for one part... Multiply that by all the rest of the stuff you sell, not that you'll have that many of every part, and that's a hefty chunk of change! [:0]

If you didn't mind, I'd like to discuss with you how you got this started, being interested in starting my own business at some point. Over PM’s of coarse, if you preferred.


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[Strydur]

I dont buy them in 8 foot lengths. I get them made at 40.5 inches.

Tim
The Custom Saber Shop

[xwingband]

I was pondering... 1000 blades would be 100" x 100" I think that's more mind boggling to think of. More than 8' x 8' of PolyC all lined/stacked up somewhere. When Tim gets shipments... he gets shipments.[:0]

EDIT: I also thought of things like how much Ultra buys gives us a peak into the volumes of stuff Tim deals with. If Ultra has 50-90 some (whatever his Ebay store has listed as available) that shows how many main sections, pommel #4's, etc...

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Well... that settles it for me. All my projects will be supplied by TCSS! I'm planning on modifying my MHS saber and building my sons each one at tax time, because their Hasbros just can't quite take the abuse. [}:)][}:)][}:)]

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