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JediMcD
08-23-2006, 10:17 AM
I have searched the forum and no topic like this has been started. I sent a pm to xwing to see if it was okay to start this and he said yes. This will be the place to post information about the Jango Fett costume (as the title implies).[:D]

I am starting to get my Jango costume together. I am planning on making this costume as screen accurate as possible which is the way I try to do all of my costumes. I have found someone who is making buckets that are cast off a mold made from a real prop used in AOTC. He also makes very good gauntlets. There is also some metal armor out there that one person on TDH makes that looks very good. I am going to make the belt and hoster rig myself. I also plan on making the vest and jumpsuit.

If anyone has anything they find that is screen accurate like colors, fabrics, equipment etc. please post it for all to admire. I am looking everywhere for screen accurate boots, but they were made 4 years ago and are out of production. Post your pics and ideas here.[:D]

james3
08-23-2006, 10:52 AM
Links, pics and other good stuff bud. Got's to have em[;)][:D]

I have a brother-in-law that's doing Jango so I will let him know about this.

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JediMcD
08-23-2006, 11:29 AM
Here you go James. Nice chating with you last night.[:D]

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13525

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13513

These should get you to the helmet and armor I want. There is alot of information on the dented helmet. I highly recommend it for any Jango or Boba costumers out there.

Do-Clo
08-23-2006, 03:52 PM
Check out swchick.com she has reference CD's for Jango Fett I got one and it is a good collection of reference pictures.

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JediMcD
08-23-2006, 07:11 PM
Yeah Do-Clo I am about to order that cd. Did you get the latest one with the pictures from the paris exhibit. I guess the pictures from that exhibit were added recently. By the way Do-Clo xwing said you are working on a costume too. Is that correct?

Do-Clo
08-23-2006, 07:21 PM
I have a vader costume in the works and a custom fett costumein the works, I am using the Jango fett style armotr and stuff but I am changing a few things and the color will be black with gunmetal grey trim, think sith fett. I found a fiberglass helmet on ebay but it needs a lot of work, it is a boba fett helmet that I am going to fill the dent and smooth the finish. I would avoid the rubies helmet it is small and a piece of snitz. there is a seller on ebay that has a good helemt his id is 502smallblock, a good guy to deal with, he wasn't doing helmets when I bought mine and I have thought about selling it and getting the one he makes.

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JediMcD
08-23-2006, 08:54 PM
That sounds like a great custom mandalorian costume. You will have to post pictures of your progress. I am working on making some of the rubies blasters a little more accurate. I am going to fill them with resin and fill in and sand all the seams so it looks like one piece. I also am going to reshape and change the barrels as well. I also hope to get a pretty good chrome look out of come rub and buff silver on it. If not I will have to try something else. After that I am going to try to make holsters done for them.

Do-Clo
08-23-2006, 09:04 PM
I bought a E-11 blaster that I am going to rework, I am going to install a 1 watt luxeon red led and make the sound better plus file and smooth it, on the other side will be a lightsaber.

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JediMcD
08-24-2006, 06:45 AM
Has anyone around here used rub n buff on props or sabers or anything? It looks very good from the pictures I have seen. It gives whatever you are working on a finish that seems to me to be a little brighter than aluminium.

This stuff looks awesome too. You may have to scroll down the page to get to the link for the product. I was just wanting to show what it would do. It is pretty expensive, but it may be worth it.

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8888

xwingband
08-24-2006, 06:49 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Do-Clo

I bought a E-11 blaster that I am going to rework, I am going to install a 1 watt luxeon red led and make the sound better plus file and smooth it, on the other side will be a lightsaber.

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Sounds familiar.[:p] I'm still not sure how to drive or what LED I'll use... I bet your going to use a 1W because it seems you have an endless supply of micropucks.[:p]

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james3
08-24-2006, 07:37 AM
Great stuff. I have a want list that is greater then my cash flow. My bro-in-law will love this stuff and one day I would like to do a generic Mandolorian but I am going to finish my Jedi and Sith outfits first.

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Devilstar2k2
08-24-2006, 10:39 AM
Don't know too much about Jango yet, but weren't the screen used boots some Kenneth Cole boots? You might be able to find some at stores like Gabriel Brothers, TJ Max, or Michaels. Pretty much any of the stores that sell factory rejects or close out items.


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BTW, Boba>Jango [;)][:D][:p]

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JediMcD
08-24-2006, 01:22 PM
Come on now. Boba came from Jango. The original is always the best.[:D]

I digress. Let's please not turn this into a Jango versus Boba thread.[:p] I want this to maybe get indexed because of the good information I hope this will contain. If anyone has any questions about the Jango costume please ask them. I may not know all the answers, but I can either find out or someone else will know.

Yes the boots were Kenneth Cole. The model of boot was called the Pit Crew. This has been out of produciton for some years, so I don't think places like TJ Max will have them. I looked. There are a couple of other brands and models that have the same sole (which is the major identifier for the boot), but alas they are all out of production as well. I am always looking on ebay, and there are reproducitons out there. However, I am not wanting to pay the $200 it will take to get the repros. The search continues.

Here are the exact boots.

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2694

If anyone has any of these between sizes 11-12 and you are willing to part with them please let me know.

After reading this I wanted to edit it because it sounded a little to high and mighty. I am not wanting to come across rude. That is not my intention at all. I am not the expert by any stretch, and Devilstar I am just kidding around with you as well.[:p]

james3
08-24-2006, 02:12 PM
Devil's cool dude, he is just going to rib ya on a regular basis because he is committing to do a Boba that I am guessing he is going to try to make the 501st with. (We hope so anyway)

Moving on. It would seem to me that what we really need is someone here that has started a costume or has a complete costume that they could show some pics. There has not been a costume topic that has made the stickies yet and xwing has been tight on the index which is probally a good thing but the stormtrooper one may be worthy since it has turned out to be Taz's place to show off[;)]

I just did a quick search on ebay and there is some decent stuff. This is really interesting:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Star-Wars-Attack-of-the-Clones-Jango-Fett-prop-Helmet_W0QQitemZ290021582299QQihZ019QQcategoryZ378 91QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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JediMcD
08-24-2006, 02:30 PM
Yeah I knew he was kidding. I am at work and am ready to be done for the week. I have every friday off, and I am more than ready to be done this week. You know what I am talking about.

That bucket is a very good one. It is from one of the members at The Dented Helmet if I am not mistaken. I believe it is a BKBT (bigkidbiggertoys) bucket. The weathering is cool, but I am going more for a brand new look. The BKBT bucket is a good base, but I like the one I posted above better. It is cold cast with aluminium powder in the resin. That makes it have that true metal look. Also it is cast off of a real prop.

James3 are you a member of The Dented Helmet. If not you should join. It has a lot of useful information. I am going to try to make the 501st with my Jango. I may crash and burn, but I am going to try. Oh yeah by the way stay away from a seller called cyanide72 on ebay. His stuff is really bad. It isn't accurate and is very weak. Pretty much avoid most Jango armor on ebay.

Do-Clo
08-24-2006, 03:46 PM
Xwing I don't have an endless supply of micropucks[;)] in fact I have three left and three 1 watt luxeon leds, red, red orange, white. I caught a really good deal on the one watt luxeons and micropucks so I stocked up on them.[:D] After reading your plans for the E-11 blaster I decided that mine could use some serious upgrades. Maybe we should start a E-11 blaster thread.[?]

I bought my fett chest armor from 502smallblock it is very good armor but it is boba style so I will fill the battle damaged areas and make it smooth. I will post some pic when I get to that point.

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james3
08-24-2006, 03:55 PM
I have a couple of buddies in the 501st here in Virginia and some of the fett stuff they have shown me is sweet.

Perfect example:http://thecustomsabershop.com/sabers/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=945&whichpage=6

I have been thinking of getting on there so we'll see.

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Devilstar2k2
08-24-2006, 07:02 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by james3

Devil's cool dude, he is just going to rib ya on a regular basis because he is committing to do a Boba that I am guessing he is going to try to make the 501st with. (We hope so anyway)
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Yeah... I was just teasing... I'm actually doing a Boba for myself, and a mini Jango for my son. Is that warped or what? [:D]

Sorry I can't be much help on the thread. I'm not going top end/screen accurate on a kids costume. Now Boba, thats a different story... All top end there. Besides, if you post on TDH, theres nothing that I know that you wouldn't. But if you ever wanna shoot the snitz over Boba, Jango, or the 501st shoot me a PM and I'll get ya on AIM.

To answer James' question; I've joined our local garrisons academy, and will most definitely be joining the 501st (hopefully by this time next year).


-Shawn



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JediMcD
08-24-2006, 08:13 PM
Cool Shawn. Well the Jango and Boba costumes have the same basic anatomy to them, so we have that to chat about. How hard was or is it to get into the 501st. I am kind of nervous about it even though I plan on having this costume extremely accurate. I also am working on Anakin and Obi Wan costumes that are screen accurate too. I think I am stretching myself too thin, but everyone has to have a hobby.

Sabers are cool and stuff

Devilstar2k2
08-24-2006, 08:32 PM
I'm not in the 501st... The academy is a partial message board for Garrison Carida where you can talk to counslers and other cadets about your costume building. They also have a BST forum to sell/buy used parts. Its not much different from this board, or TDH, aside from the fact that its local to my state and that if I had to, I could meet up with a counsler to work on projects with and learn from.

I'm not sure about the regs for getting into the 501st, but it seems that it really depends on the garrison and which costume you are doing. Since the Rubies Supreme Vader came out, it seems that there was a Vader crack down of sorts (so I've read). But thats a whole other can of worms that I won't get into. Everyone has their opinion of what should/shouldn't be allowed. If you are going for screen accurate, then you'll most likely be buying high end gear, and shouldn't have a problem.


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BTW, about stretching yourself too thin. I'd ditch the Obi-Wan costume all together and put the cash toward the 2 that you can use in the 501st. Unless you plan on joining the Rebel Legion, or just really want to have it for personal satisfaction.

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james3
08-24-2006, 08:39 PM
Oh please! Let's not bring that one up again. I still think that a generally open costuming group would be a great thing to start but the last guy I talked to about that ran away[V]

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JediMcD
08-24-2006, 10:10 PM
Devilstar do you have any leads on accurate Jango items? I know you are doing Boba, but if you run across any let me know.

Sabers are cool and stuff

Devilstar2k2
08-25-2006, 09:58 AM
Watch the Cargo Hold on TDH... Theres Jango stuff in there all the time.

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JediMcD
08-29-2006, 12:58 PM
Since this applies to both costumes (Jango and Boba) I was wondering what everyone is using for voice amplification. I have seen several possibilites, but I don't know if they all work equally well or if one is better than the others. I have seen hyperdyne's modules, and they are nice, nice and expensive. The following link looks promising. It has the static burst and has some tone control to it. It is the third item from the top.

http://www.triktoys.com/pages/2/index.htm

I also have seen other amplifier options, but they are just amplifiers without any tone control or static burst. I have never bought anything from triktoys, but their stuff looks good.

Also, if anyone has any MR Jango Fett blasters they would like to part with, or if you see any please let me know. I have some rubies blasters that I am working on, but the MR blasters would be so much nicer.

Devilstar2k2
08-29-2006, 01:04 PM
I'm gonna use one of the amps that TK409 has listed on his site. As for the Jango blasters, look on eBay. I got the 2 blaster set with the holster for my son for like $17 shipped. Theres a guy on there that sells open packages.


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Nevermind, I just noticed that it said MR blasters. Derrrrrrrrrr... [:o)]

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JediMcD
08-29-2006, 01:17 PM
Yeah I have looked at the ones on TK409 recommends. They look good, but the speaker and the plastic housing is pretty big. This one looked a little smaller. Maybe it would be easier to hide. Do the ones TK409 rcommends have any tone control that you know of? They look good and from the audio samples sound good too. I'll let you buy one and report back. ha ha. I might give this one a try just for the heck of it. What's a little money wasted here and there. Just a learning experience.

Devilstar2k2
08-29-2006, 01:28 PM
I don't know... That seems to be about the same size. Maybe just a touch smaller. As for the sound quality on the Trik one, it sounds exactly like my sons $7 Bionicle voice changer.

I wouldn't really worry about the tone control. If I remember correctly, there is no static or odd tones to Bobas/Jangos voice. It just sounds amplified to me. But its your call... If you wanna try it out, go for it. Different stokes, right? [;)]


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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that my cousin is looking into a modified Skullworx kit for me thats fitted for mando buckets. I haven't heard anything on it yet though. But then again, I haven't even gotten that far. For now, I'm thinking the ones on 409's site would be the best for the money, but you may wanna check out the Skullworx anyway. I think his kits run $100+ but its all self contained in the helmet (speakers, fans, and all).

http://www.skullworx.com/

If I can get a modified version of it, I'll probably get it over the 409 recommended amp, but I'm not sure where/how I'd mount the speakers. Its not like a TK helmet where you have airators (sp?). If the speakers get too close to the mic, you could get a squelching noise.


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I just got a reply from Skullworx, he hasn't started to offer a prewired kit for mando helmets. Looks like it can be done, but he wants to figure out a mounting system for the speakers.

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JediMcD
08-29-2006, 03:03 PM
I definately don't want to sound like a bionicle. Maybe I will keep looking.

What I am considering doing is placing the speaker or speakers (depending on what system I end up with) in either the ammo pouches or the jetpack. I think with the skullworks system you could extend the wiring and put the speakers down in the ammo pouches. You would then just need to maybe put some holes down the side of the pouches to let the sound out better. Ouch I know. Putting holes in the leather doesn't sound like a great idea, but it is better than a bunch of holes in the front for everyone to see. It is just a thought. A bad thought maybe but a thought none the less.

This is why I like Jango or Boba costumes. There is a lot to play with.

Devilstar2k2
08-29-2006, 10:02 PM
Thats an idea... I think alot of people go that route. I'd just really like to have everything self contained in the helmet though.

You know the key holes in the back of the mando buckets? I was thinking about putting some screen over that and possibly mounting the speaker there. Then making a cut out for it in the padding that will have to be in there anyway. Know what I mean? My worry with that though is making the helmet back heavy, I don't want the 'chin' section of the helmet drifting up.

I don't know, like I said, thats still a ways off for me. Just ideas at the moment.


-Shawn

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tazrob
08-30-2006, 07:00 AM
Not bashing anyone but steer away from Triktoys his stuff is over priced and besides you can get the same stuff from radio shack cheaper (who would have ever though you could get electronics cheaper at the shack)

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JediMcD
08-30-2006, 09:53 AM
Thanks tazrob. I appreciate the advice. Yeah who could believe the shack could beat anyone as far as pricing goes.

Devilstar I had thought about putting the speakers there as well, but I have kind of steered away from that location. I don't know if it would change the balance of the helmet since they don't weigh much, and if your padding on the inside is done right it should help conteract the small weight gain in the back. My worry is that the sound might be odd coming from behind you. My thought about the keyhole area is to mount two small fans behind some screen material there. With one blowing in and one blowing out it would create a lot of ventilation. Do you think we could devise some mounts to go at the chin area at the front of the helmet? It might make it a little harder to put it on, but with the speakers pointed down like on both sides of your jaw it would sound more realistic. Just my ideas. I really have to wait and see how the bucket is once I can get my hands on one. That is of course if I can even get one.

Thanks for all the good information and the sharing of ideas.

Devilstar2k2
08-30-2006, 10:37 AM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by JediMcD
[br My worry is that the sound might be odd coming from behind you.
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No more odd than the sound coming from your crotch... lol...

As for the chin mounting; I thought of that too, but I worry that it will get the squelchy feedback noise that I mentioned before. I don't know though. I guess the only way to find out is to try it. [;)]

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Do-Clo
08-30-2006, 04:10 PM
Check out this voice board: http://store.qkits.com/moreinfo.cfm/MK171

I am using this one for vader and it sounds good with a little practice and adjusting the pitch you should get a great sounding fett.

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Devilstar2k2
08-30-2006, 06:03 PM
You got a pic of that with something to compare it to for scale? Say a dollar or a quarter or something? Also, what are you casing the board in for protection?

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JediMcD
08-30-2006, 07:13 PM
That board looks good do-clo. You can't beat the price either even if it doesn't work out for us. We could come up with a case for it easy devilstar. Do-clo does this board amplify your voice at all? If not then we could even add an amplifier to it to get the volume we need. Good find. Thanks for posting it.

Do-Clo
08-30-2006, 08:18 PM
The board also supplies amplification for your voice it can be a little loud so it sound not require any external amp. The board would easily fit in a belt pouch and remote mount the microphone in the helmet with a 1/8 inch plug and jack to disconnect it and you would be set. I am either going to fit the amp in the chest box or in one of the belt boxes.

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Devilstar2k2
08-30-2006, 09:07 PM
That board does seem pretty sweet... Looks like I might have to snag a couple. Again though, I still have to figure out how to mount the speaker to project out of the helmet. I want everything self contained.

Does anyone make a speaker with a square flat casing? Something that you could mount toward the bottom inside of a mando helmet so that the sound projects downward?

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ryanlb
10-06-2006, 08:15 AM
I just stumbled upon the website of someone who made their own Jango costume - he has a few construction pictures and color charts, thought you might be interested. Oh yeah, and his costume looks incredible.

http://www.r2ro.com/events.htm

james3
10-12-2006, 07:13 AM
Not a bad Jango on EBAY. (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&item=160039699572&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1)

JediMcD
10-12-2006, 07:38 AM
Boy that seller is a little deceptive me thinks. That armor is cut off of a Rubies adult Jango costume. Then they show a promo picture from AOTC to make you think that is what it actually looks like. Actually all of that stuff is from Rubies. I hate it when sellers are deceptive like that. I guess with ebay it truely is always buyer beware.

james3
10-12-2006, 08:43 AM
No Snitz really? That dawg! Oh he!!, someone is going to be ticked at me then cause I played around and took a few shots at it and when $50 didn't get er done I said more research was needed.

Thanks for catching that McD. I noticed that the last pic was a promo shot but I thought the belts and holsters were a real deal. DOH!

I think my wife may be willing to do a Jango! :D

I tried to talk her into this Fem Tie Pilot (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=015&item=250038102093&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1) but she told me to piss off :twisted:

JediMcD
10-12-2006, 09:11 AM
No problem James. That seller is tricky. They try to make you think they made the armor. I actually do have the holsters and blasters shown there. I got them to get the blasters so that I could hopefully modify them to be more accurate. Now I think I'll just wait and get some MRs.

It would be cool if your wife wanted a Jango costume. Tell her to check out

http://www.swchick.com/costume_jango.php

She has an awesome Jango costume. She actually is the one who makes the reference cds for the Jango costume, and she also is an admin. over at TDH. My wife has absolutely zero interest in Star Wars or costuming or anything I like really. For the first time since we have been married she is going to semi dress up for halloween. She is wearing a set of those fake cat ears. :lol:

ryanlb
10-12-2006, 09:53 AM
I doubt my wife will go for it (especially since we just bought the cheap Rubie's Padme costume for her) but I'm going to suggest the Femme TIE Pilot costume to her.

Devilstar2k2
11-02-2006, 04:05 PM
McD... You'll be happy to know that I've officially switched from Boba to Jango. The local garrison here already has an awesome Boba that troops ALOT. Where as the one and only Jango doesn't seem to troop much at all.

All of my Boba stuff is for sale on TDH if anyone wants to dig it up and have a look.


-Shawn

Jedi-Loreen
11-02-2006, 05:42 PM
Boy that seller is a little deceptive me thinks. That armor is cut off of a Rubies adult Jango costume. Then they show a promo picture from AOTC to make you think that is what it actually looks like. Actually all of that stuff is from Rubies. I hate it when sellers are deceptive like that. I guess with ebay it truely is always buyer beware.

UGH, that is a bad costume. I'm glad the buyer didn't pay any more for it than he did.

I'm really surprised that you thought it was a good costume, James. I thought you had a better eye than that.

I'm not a Jango afficionado, not to have the costume, but I've been around long enough to tell if most costumes are decent, or not. I think the Vader costume has a lot to learn about though, I'm still learning about that one.

There are a lot of costumes that I'd never wear, but it's still interesting to me to learn about them.

james3
11-04-2006, 05:53 PM
Point taken Jlo.

I actually went back on the link again and I admit, it got me. I have never seen a Rubies that didn't have everything all on the suit so other then the guns I thought there was something to that.

Doh!