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Loachri MacTalabh
01-21-2011, 02:30 PM
I am wondering, Does the Premium Speaker go In the Pommel or in my case, go in between the 1.5" sink tube adapter and the Pommel? If the latter, What is the best way to route wires around the speaker to the kill/recharge port?

Skottsaber
01-21-2011, 04:59 PM
It goes where you want it to go.
And it depends on how you mount your speaker.

Loachri MacTalabh
01-21-2011, 05:08 PM
The speaker will be mounted on the 4AAA battery holder. I guess a better way to put it, Does the speaker mount like the heatsink?

Bothrops
01-21-2011, 05:33 PM
The speaker by itself doesn't mount, though some use it by itself and hotglue its base to the battery pack. A sturdier solution is to use the TCSS speaker mount (in the store), into which you press the speaker (I like to slit the sides of the mount a bit so the speaker goes in and out more easily), and then glue that mount to the battery pack. If you look at the pics of the speaker mount, you'll note that it has a rim which seats itself nicely into a MHS part.

If you want to use this setup along with a pommel-mounted recharge port, you'll have to carve/drill a path for the wires. In that case, you may have a very small distance in which to insert the recharge port before it bumps into the speaker; that depends on which pommel you're using.

Another solution is to make your own speaker mounting. For ideas on how to do that, see Jay-gon's descriptions and videos in the various A-to-Z build threads.

In the end you'll want to have all the parts in hand so you can lay them out and see how they'll really fit. Only experience can give you adequate understanding of what you might make work in your particular case.

Loachri MacTalabh
01-21-2011, 05:50 PM
Thank you Bothrops, Good information. I do know about the mount and should have said, but forgot. I guess I should purchase the rest of my supples and then figure it out. I have been working on it sense the end of October. I am just getting so anxious to have it done.

cardcollector
01-21-2011, 10:40 PM
In that case, when you are in a hurry, things usually get broken. Make sure to take your time. :)

In response to your question, it all depends on how you are mounting your speaker. Once you get the rest of your parts it should be pretty clear...

Loachri MacTalabh
02-12-2011, 09:05 PM
If you want to use this setup along with a pommel-mounted recharge port, you'll have to carve/drill a path for the wires. In that case, you may have a very small distance in which to insert the recharge port before it bumps into the speaker; that depends on which pommel you're using.I am using the MPS style 3 v2 pommel, and my plan is to put the the recharge port between the the tabs
http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb399/Laochri/843ec54e.png


In that case, when you are in a hurry, things usually get broken. Make sure to take your time. :)
Thanks, I will slow down and not be so anxious.

Jedi-Loreen
02-12-2011, 10:32 PM
Interesting. I've never seen anyone put a recharge port there.

acerocket
02-12-2011, 10:51 PM
Remember, you will have to turn that pommel 7 to 8 complete turns to screw on to you next section. How are you planning to deal with the wire twisting? You might have to just drill ahole in the pommel, leave the recharge port loose in it while you screw the pommel on and then fish the recharge port through the hole and put a nut on the outside.

Just something to think about.

Sunrider
02-12-2011, 11:25 PM
Good point. Putting the port in the pommel insert is an easy alternative as it can turn as you screw on the pommel.

Jedi-Loreen
02-13-2011, 04:12 AM
And that's probably why I've never seen anyone put a recharge port there before.

Jay-gon Jinn
02-13-2011, 07:49 AM
Another solution is to make your own speaker mounting. For ideas on how to do that, see Jay-gon's descriptions and videos in the various A-to-Z build threads.

I'm not sure if I have anything posted here about that, but here's an excerpt from my build for Brass Saber 21 that shows how I modified a TCSS speaker mount v2 for wiring for getting wires around a speaker for an accent led (a it should also work for a recharge port, too, except you'll need to make channels for three wires instead of two):

To be able to wire the led for the pommel to light up, I'm going to need to be able to get wires around the speaker in a way that keeps them from getting squashed and subsequently damaged by the pommel. I decided that I could do this by increasing the depth of the "step" that the speaker sits on in the speaker mount:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7594.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7595.jpg
Since I don't have a lathe, I'll do this the cheap way...I'll use the sanding drum attachment on my rotary tool instead.

After a few minutes of grinding, I had increased the depth to an acceptable level:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7596.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7597.jpg

Here it it next to an original speaker mount:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7598.jpg

Now I'll need to cut some channels for the wires. I'll use a side scrolling tungsten carbide bit for that:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7599.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7600.jpg
Hmm...those need to be deeper, I think:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7601.jpg
That should work....let's try a piece of wire in there and see how it looks:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7602.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7603.jpg
Yeah, I think this should do the trick!

Let's try it against a pommel:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7606.jpg
Yup! That's definitely going to work. The wire was tucked in nicely inside the speaker mount and shouldn't be a problem when installing the pommel after changing the batteries.

Now, since I'm cutting and grinding on this speaker mount anyway, I might as well go ahead and do the modifications to back vent it, too:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7607.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7608.jpg
I used the same tungsten carbide side scrolling cutting bit that I used earlier to "mill" some channels for the sound waves to vent through. This should change the pitch and tone of the saber making it seem louder than it really is.

I'll attach this to the battery holder using two 4-4 screws that have been cut down so as not to contact the batteries or the springs in the pack and cause a short:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7609.jpg
I think I can get started on wiring this one up!

To start on the wiring, I'll need to run wires through the battery pack to the speaker and the accent led for the pommel:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7668.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7669.jpg
The led used here is a 5mm white, 3.3v, 20ma. and will require a resistor. I'll add that at the soundboard, though.

This assembly will fit against the pommel like so:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7670.jpg

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7671.jpg
The wires for the led are nicely tucked in and out of the way.

I applied some power to the led using the 2-AA battery holder and checked to see how it lit the crystal:
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o141/Jay-gon_Jinn/Brass%20Saber%2021/100_7672.jpg
That looks good!

I don't think the first modification to recess the speaker will be necessary, since the speaker mount has been redesigned since I wrote that, but I think overall, it should work and allow you to put the recharge in the pommel insert....I would heed Ace's advice about wires twisting when you try to attach the pommel with the recharge port in the side of it.....that usually results in broken wires.

Loachri MacTalabh
02-13-2011, 09:25 AM
Remember, you will have to turn that pommel 7 to 8 complete turns to screw on to you next section. How are you planning to deal with the wire twisting? You might have to just drill ahole in the pommel, leave the recharge port loose in it while you screw the pommel on and then fish the recharge port through the hole and put a nut on the outside.I thought of that last night, and I think I have a way around that. Since the main body is a sink tube, the pommel is screwed to the MHS to 1.5" sink tube adapter and sled into the sink tube. The Covertec knob will be screw into both acting as a set screw.

Jedi-Loreen
02-13-2011, 10:45 AM
Ah. So you can just screw the adapter onto the pommel and slide it into the sink tube. That should work.