photoelectric effect masless blade

[photonalterations]

Has anyone tinkered with the idea of using photoelectric phenomena to create air born plasma?

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[987654321a]

first off, what are u talking about, can u explain so a 14 year old like me can understand?

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[Enolmano]

Word^^...I'm also fourteen AND swedish... but, it seems interresting[:D]

I'm a fourteen year old swedish teenager...so be patient...

[the_steve]

Why yes i have. Yesterday i put a photoionicaly charged proton generator into a neuotron projector and moved the tri-photon charger beside the nagatively charged quad-elctron power crystal, and BAM! Out came a green photoelectric masless blade.
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But then it exploded.[B)]


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[WeirdoTransvestite]

I take it your hilt was about a mile in diameter?

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Seriously Photon, how would you even go about that? I'm not even sure I know what photoelectic phenomena are.

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[Beatboxer]

I looked it up through Google and didn't come up with much..maybe wikipedia can help...

[photonalterations]

well, I just did a google search and look what I found.........

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=photoelectric+effect&btnG=Google+Search



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[photonalterations]

ok younglings,
here is the first lesson

When UV light makes contact with metal, it produces current. When it makes contact on platinum, it will produce over 6 volts. Plus it will also guide plasma from one electrode to the other in the air. I thought that this could be the a good concept for air plasma. I designed an optic tube that focuses a Luxeon into a 3/4" diameter beam. I used a blue star but blue is only 470nm.Its not quite UV. The deeper the UV light is the more powerful the photoelectric effect is. I installed this tube into my Mara Jade hilt. If only Luxeon would come out with a DEEP UV star between 248nm-395nm.Of course you cant see the UV light that well but you would be able to see the plasma! does that make sense. This is what you want. You want to be able to see the plasma but not the beam guiding it because the beam goes on.The second step would be to create the high voltage chamber. So I thought about platinum electrodes in front of the optic. The electrodes charge small High Voltage captators to 35kv.Then the capacitors charge the short end tube where the UV comes out of. Once the UV hits the 35kv barrel, then plasma is formed

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[vadeblade]

I thought Plasma could only be created under special conditions, i.e. high temperature, high voltage, in a vacuum, copious amounts of pixie dust, etc...

If you wanted to convert plain air into plasma I thought you need a powerful laser - and now the obligatory wikipedia link to explain my thought...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser-Induced_Plasma_Channel

And based on the wiki above, you have the principle backwards. Plasma has very low electrical resistance. So the plasma guides the high voltage to its destination, not the other way around.

cheers,
V.


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[Firebird21]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by vadeblade

...based on the wiki above, you have the principle backwards.
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Hence the user name... [:p]


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He stated,
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by photonalterations

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I'm assuming that he's talking about a lens, and not a tube like the PolyC.

That's all I wanted to clear up with my Q.


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[photonalterations]

yes firebird its a optic tube focused inside the hilt.

When electrons and ions collide, it forms plasma, Yes you are right Vade about how plasma requires a vacuum but if there is an extreme amount of "free electrons in the path of UV,wouldnt that form plasma because UV emits ions. Its interesting how Plasma needs a vaccume buy fire needs air. I know that the properties of plasma and fire are different.But what makes plasma so different that it needs a vaccume to be contained? If there is a way to change the properties, then I think air beam plasma is possible. On the other hand maybe its not plasma that forms a mass less blade.Maybe its some other kind of "state of matter". Just a thought. See other thing is that if Fire needs oxygen to roam on the air, then there has to be a way that plasma can travel through the air without using argon. This is off the subject of UV, but microwaves can conduct electricity in the air. I am wondering if a MASER can guide plasma in the air as well.

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[987654321a]

uhh isnt that dangerous?

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[WeirdoTransvestite]

What contains the plasma? It sounds like it will just drift out into the air, not unlike a flame.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by 987654321a

uhh isnt that dangerous?
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probably.

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[vadeblade]

UV emits ions??? I'm sorry, I am missing something. UltraViolet is a spectrum of light. Light has no mass.
Ions are atoms that has an electric charge either by gaining or loosing an electron. Ions have mass.

Following this logic, how does a massless object like light emit an object with mass like an ion?

So what is plasma? Well plasma is nothing more than ionized gas. Again quoting from wikipedia "Plasma typically takes the form of neutral gas-like clouds..." So take a gas cloud and strip the electrons off most of the atoms in the cloud and you have plasma.

But stripping electrons off a bunch of atoms is not an easy thing. It takes very high temperature, or very high voltage, or a laser of a specific wavelength.

Why does gas turn more readily into plasma in a PARTIAL vacuum instead of in normal atmospehere? My GUESS is that in normal atmosphere it is too easy for an ionized atom to regain its lost electrons from neighboring atoms. in other words, the ions don't stay ions long enough to congrigate into a cloud.

Fire and plasma - how are they different. Fire is a Chemical reaction when oxygen atoms attach to other atoms and extra energy is RELEASED as heat/light. Plasma is an Atomic change where energy is ABSORBED by the electrons and electrons are releases. So key difference is Absorbed energy versus Released energy.

Ohh, Plasma has mass.

Let me just state that I am not a physics teacher, or a scientist or a brainiac, smarty-pants. Most or all of what i said can be found in wiki.

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[987654321a]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pirate King

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uhh isnt that dangerous?
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probably.

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[vadeblade]

James, I agree, I need an SG1 fix.. To me Carter is the perfect woman, brains, looks and she can use a P90 like it's part of her arm.

Seven of Nine too.

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[photonalterations]

a deep UV laser between 150nm and 248 NM can ionize air molecules byt stripping the eletrons off of the atoms at 20 watt or more. I didn't specifically mean any kind of UV light.but i was curious about unlassed deep UV light and its properties.I have not read wiki just other stuff besides that.All I am saying is that there has to be a way to create "a beam" that can some how guide plasma where ever the beams path follows.Let me rephrase my suggestion of mass less. Maybe this ion/electron beam will have a dense mass. Or just maybe its not the fourth state of matter. Another possibility it that when tungsten metal is heated at super billing temperatures the atoms boil off in a straight line. I know that air/oxygen will suffocate plasma.So maybe there is a way to create some sort of beam that will convert the properties of oxygen to a more suitable atmosphere to contain plasma from its source in beam like path. Since UV light has the highest energy frequency of electro magnetic radiation, perhaps a deep UV Luxeon could contribute to this concept if UV Luxeons are manufactured. You have to admit that deep UV light has a lot of strange abilities, such as illuminating phosphors as well as fluorescents and conducting eletric current.

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[vadeblade]

Yes, I agree, a UV laser is what is required to ionize air at one atmosphere pressure.

But from what I read, you need a UV laser in the 220-420 nm wavelength fired in 200 picosecond pulses at an excess of 50 megawatts per pulse, (Institute of Physics: New Journal of Physics).

There are universities and companies with DOD contracts trying to solve/make this... put this into a hilt?!?! maybe in 20 years...

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[Beatboxer]

Hmm, so this topic is educating, thanks guys.

Not sure if there are any other threads covering masslass or energy blades but what other options are there?

I've heard of laser torches or whatnot but how about just a safe (or at least semi safe) actual lightsaber?

Anyone ever see that episode of Venture?

[vadeblade]

The yard sale episode with the Monarch henchman. I'm not sure, but was the henchman doing the same moves as the "Star Wars Kid"? That was classic...

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[GeluKhanGharr]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by vadeblade
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Yeah, but that would only work if you mono-unsaturate the dislexipan through girocrestization of the upper fredoshere. However, much care and attention must be paid to the lower treshhold of the volodister since the destabillization of the treklopphan can throw the whole array in diss-aray.[:o)]

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by vadeblade

The yard sale episode with the Monarch henchman. I'm not sure, but was the henchman doing the same moves as the "Star Wars Kid"? That was classic...
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I think so. That was great.

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[vadeblade]

It's already been made in the 80's. LOOK...

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Just don't cross the streams...

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Beatboxer

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This will be the 3rd.

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I'd have to be good and not derail then. Plus I found it appropriate with a Neon Genesis Evangelion quote.

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[Darth_Dadderall]

Okay, how about sealing a platinum filament in a rarified noble gas atmosphere, parallel to a collimated UV LED light source? Although if you're going to do that, you may as well just buy a plasma blade setup and call it a day...

What is life but the passage to death?

[vadeblade]

Even easier. Cold Cathode. They can be as long as 24 inches. With a double-bladed lightsaber you could end up with something very bright and impressive.

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[987654321a]

or we can just pour molten lava in the blade, thatl keep it super bright for a couple secs lol a 30 dollar blade wasted,

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[Beatboxer]

Or we can somehow figure out how to control a light waves length...it seems.

[987654321a]

or we can go to coruscant and ask a jedi for a real saber.

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[shiky]

arite so much for an intelligent scientific conversation... straight to silly.

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[jshiznik61790]

yeah...my first post is exciting.

im a 16 year old junior in high school, but if im right, ions can be negatively charged by adding electrons...this could be done by the UV on the platinum or w/e which emits the electrons and current to flow through the air?

confusing..

[shiky]

SW Galaxies has a great description of how it works in the /examine description of a ls.. just dont feel like pulling up the game to find out.

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[element115]

do you think a hot laser,fire and electricity would form an electric beam.I know that fire can be semi controlled by high electricity.One time I put two leads from a stungun and it stablized was able to make the flame super bright.It basicially looked like plasma was trapped inside the flame.You could use a hot laser 450degree beam to form a saber blade with the fire and an electric arc

[shiky]

okay got the definition.

"A Traditional Jedi weapon, it consists of a cylindrical handle in which sophisticated circuits channel a beam of light through a series of crystals. These crystals modulate the blade's size and amplitude. When activated, internal power cells create photoelectric energy which is focused through the crystals. The energy is formed into a tight, parallel beam of coherent packets. These packets are emitted through a positively-charged continuous energy lens, which projects the packets away from the lightsaber. The packets are almost immediately attracted back to the lightsaber by a negatively-charged high-energy flux aperture, and then continually recycled to create the glowing blade. The packets are recycled by a superconductor back into the power cell for re-energizing. The entire process is completely contained. No heat is generated and no energy is lost, since the light in the blade is recaptured. The only energy loss occurs when the blade strikes an object causing crystal decay."

So to sum it up, we don't have the technology to power this, and we cant shrink the superconductor down yet.

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[987654321a]

how about using plasma! Air Zapped by electricity, makes it, so i dont know why we cant use it!

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[element115]

what about silicon crystal to emit photoelectric energy to a positive charge optic?

[shiky]

[:(] guys i just told you what LUCAS himself, has said that they are made of.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by shiky

[:(] guys i just told you what LUCAS himself, has said that they are made of.

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Lucas didn't say that, Sony Online Entertainment said it. There's a big difference.

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yea but for content like that they have to go through Lucas Arts, so he must have had something to do with it.

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[Darth Morkan]

Plasma?,

correct me if i'm wrong but isnt that like the 4th state of matter?

the stuff stars are made of,

thats like at least 4000k

er so we were planing to still be alive yer?

[987654321a]

yes it is the 4th state of matter

yes stars are made out of it

yes its at least 4000k

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what does the "k" mean?

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He's using it to refer to kelvin I believe... There is no unit of measure in the kelvin system, but without any indication here it has little meaning to the other reading it.

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by vadeblade

UV emits ions??? I'm sorry, I am missing something. UltraViolet is a spectrum of light. Light has no mass.
Ions are atoms that has an electric charge either by gaining or loosing an electron. Ions have mass.

Following this logic, how does a massless object like light emit an object with mass like an ion?

So what is plasma? Well plasma is nothing more than ionized gas. Again quoting from wikipedia "Plasma typically takes the form of neutral gas-like clouds..." So take a gas cloud and strip the electrons off most of the atoms in the cloud and you have plasma.

But stripping electrons off a bunch of atoms is not an easy thing. It takes very high temperature, or very high voltage, or a laser of a specific wavelength.

Why does gas turn more readily into plasma in a PARTIAL vacuum instead of in normal atmospehere? My GUESS is that in normal atmosphere it is too easy for an ionized atom to regain its lost electrons from neighboring atoms. in other words, the ions don't stay ions long enough to congrigate into a cloud.

Fire and plasma - how are they different. Fire is a Chemical reaction when oxygen atoms attach to other atoms and extra energy is RELEASED as heat/light. Plasma is an Atomic change where energy is ABSORBED by the electrons and electrons are releases. So key difference is Absorbed energy versus Released energy.

Ohh, Plasma has mass.

Let me just state that I am not a physics teacher, or a scientist or a brainiac, smarty-pants. Most or all of what i said can be found in wiki.

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I am a physics teacher.[:D]

You are correct. There is no mass in light. It's hard to grasp the concept but basicly light is just different wavelengths.

Ionsabers, I don't think what your saying makes sense, so maybe you want to re-think the theory and come up with a new idea? Plasma is a basic term we use, Gas that has been Ionized. It could mean anything, Plasma does not refer to one thing.

You would need to make it so that your "Plasma" beam can absorb or take in a ton of energy that surrounds it. Good luck, it can get to be very expensive.

[Tenric Starkindler]

SImilar discussion at the TJA (http://apfoister.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=propel&action=display&thread=1124508639)

IF it were possible you would still have 4 main issues to solve.

1) controlled creation of either the Plasma or "Other" energy source.

2) COntainment of said energy and it's controlled emission pattern.

3) POWER (to initiate and fuel the reaction) source.

4) size of all the above components.

though there is a link to an article (no longer on the free portionof the linked site) that discusses a dental Plasma Pencil being used now in some procedures as a sort of sterilization tool (it kills bacteria by rupturing their membranes).

[987654321a]

yes and you would need alot of power for it, you would have to have a whole outlet evrytime you wanna turn it on.

[Wordsquirrel]

Unreal...two things:
It's very inspiring to see people attempting to create these theories - expanding their minds etc.

But it is slightly less inspiring to see the lack of legitimate research that goes into the claims.

Just do a quick little search on what you are about to suggest before you post it, and the string of posts will become a lot less ignorant and a lot more constructive.

Without trying to sound SO mean-spirited, I am truly interested in what the posts SAY, just we can narrow it down better by doing a little learning first.

[Firebird21]

Unreal...two things:
It's very inspiring to see people attempting to create these theories - expanding their minds etc.

But it is slightly less inspiring to see the lack of legitimate research that goes into the claims.

Just do a quick little search on what you are about to suggest before you post it, and the string of posts will become a lot less ignorant and a lot more constructive.

Without trying to sound SO mean-spirited, I am truly interested in what the posts SAY, just we can narrow it down better by doing a little learning first.



I think you're confusing us with the forum that actually DOES research quantum physics...

[SilentBob501]

Yah, way to dash our dreams!

[james3]

Unreal...two things:
It's very inspiring to see people attempting to create these theories - expanding their minds etc.

But it is slightly less inspiring to see the lack of legitimate research that goes into the claims.

Just do a quick little search on what you are about to suggest before you post it, and the string of posts will become a lot less ignorant and a lot more constructive.

Without trying to sound SO mean-spirited, I am truly interested in what the posts SAY, just we can narrow it down better by doing a little learning first.



I think you're confusing us with the forum that actually DOES research quantum physics...

Dang Jester! You mean we are not as smart as we think we are? And all this time I thought we were actually working on making real lightsabers.
http://www.gaownersclub.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_bncry.gif I need a Diet Dr. Pepper.

[Lord Maul]

why diet? :roll:
go for the real stuff already james :wink:

[Ryma Mara]

I think cyro stasis would be acheved before this is.

So, when it does iam gonna sign up....the current state of the world bores me and I want to see the future already.

[Delmustator]

Wouldn't it be easier to find materials (i.e. particles or coatings) that react to certain wavelengths of light (i.e. similar to how white cotton glows brightly when a blacklight shines on it)?

If you could get the Luxeon within these wavelengths, wouldn't it surfice that a PolyC tube coated with this reactant would glow brighter than with the Luxeon alone?

It's been a while since I was doing anything scientific but I do read Scientific American...

[james3]

Do-Clo has already done something like that. He used a UV set of LEDs and a green acrylic or poly blade and that sucker was mega cool.

[JediHilt]

Hay do any of you have a Cathode Ray Tube laying around? That could possibly be sufficient enough to give a path for the current to travel in. It might be enough to mimic the effect the UV light has on air. I read earlier one of you said that you thought the plasma would just float off like a flame without a tube to contain it in your wrong the air is too strong of an insulator for that is why you have to ionize the air to make an electric arc travel through it. Plasma is just as traped by non-ionized air as the plasma in a neon tube is traped in the glass it's contained by. Plasma isn't just when you have an ionized gas that has extra electrons or protons giving it an ionization it's when you run an energy like electricity through the ionized gas you get that glowing and if powerfull enough cutting effect you normally associate with plasma. You see the plasma can't survive in normal air without ionization and electricity can't survive in the air without plasma so by controling the ionization you can contain the plasma and electricity in mid air like adjusting the valve on a propane torch by controling the ionization you can contian the plasma and current to be exactly where you want them. For example a 3/4 inch wide 30 to 36 inch long blade of blue/white antimatter and cutting horror muhahahhaha :twisted: .

[Jedi-Loreen]

What do you have agains punctuation, dude? That's one long run-on sentence. :?

[JediHilt]

I was asking for someone with a cathode ray tube or an electron gun not someone with english major :lol:

[Firebird21]

I'm with J-Lo on this one...

[JediHilt]

Traitor :lol:

[Jedi Belinos]

Punctuation, is essential to reading english. without it everything might as well just be written in on big long word withnospaces.

[JediHilt]

I'ts allready been fixed Belinos. I got so carried away with making sure my point was properly convayed I completely spaced out on the punctuation. :lol:

[Firebird21]

Hey, do any of you have a Cathode Ray Tube laying around?

That could possibly be sufficient enough to give a path for the current to travel in. It might be enough to mimic the effect the UV light has on air.

I read earlier one of you saying that you thought the plasma would just float off like a flame without a tube to contain it in… Your wrong.

The air is too strong of an insulator for that. This is why you have to ionize the air to make an electric arc travel through it. Plasma is just as trapped by non-ionized air as the plasma in a neon tube is trapped in the glass it's contained by.

Plasma isn't just when you have an ionized gas that has extra electrons or protons giving it an ionization, it's when you run an energy like electricity through the ionized gas, giving you that glowing, and if powerful enough, that cutting effect you normally associate with plasma.

You see the plasma can't survive in normal air without ionization and electricity can't survive in the air without plasma, so by controlling the ionization you can contain the plasma and electricity in mid air. Similar to adjusting the valve on a propane torch. By controlling the ionization you can contain the plasma and current to be exactly where you want them.

For example a 3/4 inch wide 30 to 36 inch blade of blue/white antimatter cutting horror muhahahhaha :twisted: .
:wink:



Punctuation, is essential to reading english. without it everything might as well just be written in on big long word withnospaces.

Latinwaswrittenlikethat.

[LordArgyll]

I was asking for someone with a cathode ray tube or an electron gun not someone with english major :lol:

One doesn't have to be an english major to desire to at least attempt to communicate coherently. Language has structure for a reason.

I blame the internets. Stupid internets!

[TI-525]

although this is new technology, and its welcome here, but if you can make a plasma saber thingy, how would you make it stop, would it be like a continuous blade??

i didnt read the whole thread because this seems rediculous

[987654321a]

yes it would stop but a real laser saber wouldnt stop. it would go on forever.

[Dregan]

actually, you can 'tune' a plasma discharge to a specific length, just like a disposable cigarette lighter - hence the use of plasma cutters in metal manufacturing. Currently, you only see a few centimeters, but if you could shape the field, maybe through a magnetic field, you could have a 40" plasma stream. Fit that in a portable container, and voila, instant lightsaber. Sort of.

The ability to shape a magentic (or anyther type of containment) field to that degree is currently beyond our technical abilites.

All the bickering earlier about plasma generation is semantics - it's all been done alredy for us. Take a look here (http://www.amazing1.com/plasma_fire_saber.htm) - all we're talking about it replacing the tube with something else...

[JediHilt]

It is possible by having a variable resistor on your ionizing devise such as a UV LED or diode of some kind you can change the affective range of the air that can become plasma. I think you don't need quite as powerful of a magnetic force to contain such plasma because the plasma can only go where there is an ionized gas. In normal air if you control what gas is ionized for example the width and length of your blade the plasma will remain in that ionized field then you add a high voltage to the plasma to give it it's cutting power and by placing a variable resistor on that you can change the power of your blade too. It will hum, glow, cut, repel other lightsabers like it the power, length, diameter, and color are all adjustable that seems to me to be as close as you can get to a real lightsaber everthing except the power source of such a device will fit in a hilt so were getting closer with our technology everyday just the power source now is really all that hasn't been proven possible.

[Tenric Starkindler]

It is possible by having a variable resistor on your ionizing devise such as a UV LED or diode of some kind you can change the affective range of the air that can become plasma. I think you don't need quite as powerful of a magnetic force to contain such plasma because the plasma can only go where there is an ionized gas. In normal air if you control what gas is ionized for example the width and length of your blade the plasma will remain in that ionized field then you add a high voltage to the plasma to give it it's cutting power and by placing a variable resistor on that you can change the power of your blade too. It will hum, glow, cut, repel other lightsabers like it the power, length, diameter, and color are all adjustable that seems to me to be as close as you can get to a real lightsaber everthing except the power source of such a device will fit in a hilt so were getting closer with our technology everyday just the power source now is really all that hasn't been proven possible.

You would likely have to conduct such saber combat in slow motion though. The need to have the air ionized at a constant level and keep the magnetic field in proper alignment at all times seems to indicate more success with a static field than one you could move with any degree of speed and finesse.
at least it seems that way as I read things now......kinda tired might be delusional :shock: :wink:


I had been thinking of simply a visible blade using 3D holographic projection. No mass, but potential for show. not possible yet but things are getting interestingly close.

[JediHilt]

something can be ionzed at the speed of light I suppose you could swing faster than that :lol: .

[Mor-El Kesav]

what does the "k" mean? xwingband is correct. To expand upon his explanation, there are 3 basic temperature scales are in common use in science and industry. Two of those scales are SI metric:

The degree Celsius (°C) scale was devised by dividing the range of temperature between the freezing and boiling temperatures of pure water at standard atmospheric conditions (sea level pressure) into 100 equal parts. Temperatures on this scale were at one time known as degrees centigrade, however it is no longer correct to use that terminology. [In 1948 the official name was changed from "centigrade degree" to "Celsius degree" by the 9th General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM).]

The kelvin (K) temperature scale is an extension of the degree Celsius scale down to absolute zero, a hypothetical temperature characterized by a complete absence of heat energy. Temperatures on this scale are called kelvins, NOT degrees kelvin, kelvin is not capitalized, and the symbol (capital K) stands alone with no degree symbol. [In 1967 the new official name "kelvin" and symbol "K" were set by the 13th General Conference on Weights and Measures (CGPM).]

The degree Fahrenheit (°F) non-metric temperature scale was devised and evolved over time so that the freezing and boiling temperatures of water are whole numbers, but not round numbers as in the Celsius temperature scale.

On the issue of focused plasma beams vs. directed/curved plasma beams:


Dregan wrote: actually, you can 'tune' a plasma discharge to a specific length, just like a disposable cigarette lighter - hence the use of plasma cutters in metal manufacturing. Currently, you only see a few centimeters, but if you could shape the field, maybe through a magnetic field, you could have a 40" plasma stream. Fit that in a portable container, and voila, instant lightsaber. Sort of.

The ability to shape a magentic (or anyther type of containment) field to that degree is currently beyond our technical abilites.

Dregan has made a valid point. Some issues with just focusing a plasma beam as opposed to directing back to a energy collection point in the hilt, if I may?

1. Even though the focal point may be 40 inches from the emitter, energy in the form of heat and non-visible light, will continue to expand from the point of focus to a theoretical indefinite end. A Jedi could cause damage to personnel and equipment around his opponent from this energy release past the focal point.

2. The shape of a lightsaber beam is two fold. The first is that it limits the length of the blade as mentioned above. The second is that it makes the lightsaber a closed energy system, except when the blade comes in contact with a sufficiently strong energy source or a solid object. Power use when a lightsaber is turned on and not in contact is almostzero. In the focused beam blade presented, the lightsaber would quickly drain of power because the plasma beam would not get sent back to the hilt and the energy re-collected by the appropriate, and not yet devised, energy recollection system.

[fau-pa ramid]

the only way to do it would be to arc the enrgy back into the hilt and change it to - at the same time arcing it back around makeing it + so that the only time you lose enrgy would be when the circut of light enrgy is broken. aka when you hit somthing with it. after that it would go out kuz the power source isnt strong enough to keep the blade going. :roll:

every one knows that.

[Mor-El Kesav]

That is precisely what I said. :? It is also how a "real" lightsaber functions, in the Star Wars universe.