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Jedibum
05-26-2006, 12:29 AM
Hey guys, check out Hyperdyne's website ... they have some more sound boards up for purchase. I didn't realize they had so many options to choose from on style of sound. Anyone know what the difference is between each one? I have a guess based on some of the names but I was wondering if anyone new for sure.

xwingband
05-26-2006, 04:23 AM
Names are accronyms for the character and episode. M1 = Maul Episode 1 and so on... it'd be hard to explain all the differences but that will at least tell you which is which.

Mind you Hyper's boards are meant to work with his stuff. It's a crapshoot on whether they would be able to work on anything else.

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Jedibum
05-26-2006, 05:41 AM
Thanks xwingband! Yeah that seems to make the most sense ... M1 (Maul Episode 1), V5 (Vader Episode 5), 01 (Obi Episode 1), L4 (Luke Episode 4), L6 (Luke Episode 6).

If you had the choice between all those different sounds (assuming the modules were faithful to the movie sounds) which would you pick?

Do-Clo
05-26-2006, 07:54 AM
I would have trouble spending that much for a sound board in the first place, when you can get a good sound from a MR saber for a lot less and we know it can be made to work with our stuff.

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todd4566
05-26-2006, 10:43 AM
The day Hyperdyne makes his sound cards universal, my MHS will be equipped. [^]

james3
05-26-2006, 12:25 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Do-Clo

I would have trouble spending that much for a sound board in the first place, when you can get a good sound from a MR saber for a lot less and we know it can be made to work with our stuff.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I think I am in agreement on this issue, now if it was compatible with EL and LED in the MHS or something, I may be like todd and think of giving it a go but right now we have the FX sound and that is supposed to be right from the source.

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Ambo
05-26-2006, 12:26 PM
If Tim's sound modules are what I think they are....we will have no need for Hyper's.


Edit: amazing how one screwed up letter changes the whole meaning of the message....sorry bout the "if/is" mess up.

I made this in response to Tim's announcement earlier today, he is deffinately on his way to making TCSS a one stop shop.........

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james3
05-26-2006, 12:48 PM
We did have that discussion a while back didn't we ambo?

Jogged the memory for me there.[;)]

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xwingband
05-26-2006, 02:12 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ambo

If Tim's sound modules are what I think they are....we will have no need for Hyper's.


Edit: amazing how one screwed up letter changes the whole meaning of the message....sorry bout the "if/is" mess up.

I made this in response to Tim's announcement earlier today, he is deffinately on his way to making TCSS a one stop shop.........


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Well, I don't know of any that are more accurate than his at the moment. I think the MR boards are quite adequite... but what do you think Tim will introduce?[:p]

I only know of erv's that can be as accurate because it's custom with the SD card, but Hyper has him by the balls... supposedly he copied Hyper's patent. I doubt he did outright, erv's smart enough, but apperently it's to similar for Hyper's taste.

Maybe Tim got something else that will rock our socks...[:D] *waiting eagerly*

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Do-Clo
05-26-2006, 02:18 PM
Erv use a different setup then hyper but since the motion detectors are the same hyper will not let him ship any to the US because he claims patent infringement.

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xwingband
05-26-2006, 02:29 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Do-Clo

Erv use a different setup then hyper but since the motion detectors are the same hyper will not let him ship any to the US because he claims patent infringement.

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That's what I heard too... but unless he bought them from Hyper, how is that infringement? One common part is not copyright infringement. I could look at the parts of an MR and buy the same microcontroller but different everything else and it doesn't make me copying them...[?]

My sympathies are with Erv. He'd make a lot of money if he could sell those here. Heck, Hyper would get a lot more money with a customizable in-hilt solution.

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Do-Clo
05-26-2006, 02:59 PM
Erv is just like us, a guy just trying to make it and doesn't have the resources to fight it out with hyper, it is a shame because his system blows all others away. I think Erv's system is different enough from hyper's that the so called infringement is a load of snitz.

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xwingband
05-26-2006, 03:05 PM
Amen! <font size="1">I will not say more because hyper will threaten to sue me... again. His lawyer fees should go to making his stuff cheaper, lol.</font id="size1">

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todd4566
05-26-2006, 03:14 PM
Can someone post a link to Erv's page? I'd like to see what he's made.

xwingband
05-26-2006, 03:21 PM
http://www.plecterlabs.com/

It's mostly French but I think you can figure it out.[:)]

He is pretty small-time, but he's the French equivalent of TCSS I guess.[:D]

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Do-Clo
05-26-2006, 04:22 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by xwingband

Amen! <font size="1">I will not say more because hyper will threaten to sue me... again. His lawyer fees should go to making his stuff cheaper, lol.</font id="size1">
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He would do that wouldn't he

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xwingband
05-26-2006, 05:52 PM
Sue me or make his stuff cheaper? LOL

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Do-Clo
05-26-2006, 06:24 PM
Well we all know he isn't going to drop his prices.[:p]

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Darth_Dadderall
05-28-2006, 09:41 AM
I'm not really sure I like Hyperdyne's business practices. He's too bloody pricey for the common hobby saberist, too aggressive in defending his "territory," and from his posts that I've read, is a bit of a blowhard to boot. I think he may well be using general ignorance of US patent law against Erv to cut out any competition, which is just shady. About the only thing I'm thinking about going to him for now is his real-time voice changer system. I'd buy from Erv, he's been nothing but helpful and informative. Hell, at this point I'd probably buy from him just to spite Hyperdyne. Need to go read up on what everyone's talking about with Hyper and Tim...

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05-28-2006, 09:52 AM
Erv is working on a real time voice changer, it is in the prototype stage but it blows away all the others, and he will be able to sell that here.[:p]

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Darth_Dadderall
05-28-2006, 10:01 AM
Oh really? Excellent!

..How in the hell would Hyperdyne know if we ordered from Erv or not, anyway, aside from me yammering about it here?

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Do-Clo
05-28-2006, 10:43 AM
Erv will not ship the saber sound board to the US because he is a stand up guy that will not break the rules, I respect him for that.

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unobomber
05-28-2006, 11:23 AM
What Microchip use on this sound module? http://www.plecterlabs.com/

Do-Clo
05-28-2006, 12:09 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by unobomber

What Microchip use on this sound module? http://www.plecterlabs.com/

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Here is a thought ask him [:p]

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unobomber
05-28-2006, 12:22 PM
hehe
nice idea [:)]

LAN-ED-TUL
05-28-2006, 01:23 PM
erv's sound board looks pretty good. too bad we cant gettem. cuz the nicer sound boards from the hasbros are really runnig dry. i havent found any or seen any in some time. so we all might have to resort to the boxed sabers for sound, unless tim gets the ones you guys are talkin about. any idea on what tims will run in price? and will they be pretty much the same as the hasbros we've been using?

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xwingband
05-28-2006, 02:21 PM
I say we create a mass CANADIAN buy of erv's board! lol

Darth_Adderall, you probably will never be able to read all of what's gone on with Hyper and Tim, Corbin, Me, etc... although you have seen a good portion of it.

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Darth_Dadderall
05-28-2006, 03:14 PM
Xwingband: Hey, it was my birthday last week; wanna get me a present? ;)

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xwingband
05-28-2006, 03:37 PM
lol, the saber parts go to me.[:p]

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Do-Clo
05-28-2006, 04:11 PM
Happy Birthday Darth_Adderall your present is in the mail, and if you don't receive it that means those thieves at the post office stole another package.[:p]

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Darth_Dadderall
05-29-2006, 06:55 PM
Haha, thanks Do-Clo. I'll have to go down there and force-choke someone until they surrender it up. That'll teach 'em to steal a Sith's mail.

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LAN-ED-TUL
05-30-2006, 02:02 AM
yeah x-wing buy up a bunch of them and then resell them to us, that'll work. he he he, no really! it might.

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Do-Clo
05-30-2006, 07:10 AM
Madcow is in Canada we could let him place a bulk order then we can sneak it across the border.[:D]

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Jedi Ranger
05-30-2006, 03:45 PM
Well, <font size="5">I</font id="size5"> plan on placing an order with Erv sometime this summer. [;)][:p] By then, I should have my Hyperdyne sound module, to go with my already-arrived Hyperdyne blade.

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xwingband
05-30-2006, 04:00 PM
is that on supposed to be a not?[?]

Erv's is perfect IMO because it combines the best of each. It's in hilt yet has customizable sounds.

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05-30-2006, 04:49 PM
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05-30-2006, 05:43 PM
Yah, I think their wireless sound is a pretty innovative concept. I especially like the idea of programing. The thought of hearing 44htz saber sounds out of your stereo injunction with your saber actions is quite impressively could imagine hearing the bass low end of these sounds.You could program the card to have D maul sounds from EP1.Like the double swirl wav.s .

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LAN-ED-TUL
05-30-2006, 08:00 PM
if we can get some of these modules to use, then we would have our replacement problems solved for the disapperaing hasbro sabers we used for sound. only issue is hyper(JIM) finding out and tryin to sue everyone.

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psab keel
06-03-2006, 07:24 PM
I have two of Hyperdyne's sound modules. These things are the best sound modules I've ever owned. Better than Hasbro, Lighttech, and even Master Replicas. I'm working on placing them on a body worn unit on my wrist so that I can use a larger speaker on my belt for my costume and have really loud clear sound. These things also have a mini motor that vibrates when it senses swing motion, idle hum, and extreme vibratuon when it senses a clash event. A really great price for a really great product.

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LAN-ED-TUL
06-04-2006, 01:03 AM
that may be so, but i think the real issue is the cost. the hasbros arent too expensive, the MR's are a bit pricey, and im sure jims sound modules are very expensive. i know his voice sytem for vader i got was indeed. i paid 500 for it. but i will say this, it DOES sound da*$ good. best i ever heard for JEJ voice replication.

and erv's sound boards, i dont know how much they run, but i have heard they really sound great too. i think they rival jims hyper sound boards. thus the reason he is pitchin a fit over erv sellin them in the U.S. he knows they wouild sell for sure.

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xwingband
06-04-2006, 12:54 PM
Jim/Hyper's and Erv's are about the same in price really. Erv's is 90 Euro which comes out to about what Hyper's is.

I think Erv's would sell better out of convinience... custom sounds yet in hilt. Hyper's requires that you haul the computer around or live with not being able to change them. The only real extra feature available on Hyper's bluetooth is he can do tons more stuff and have the computer handle it (the hum of DM's as it tilts up/down is only possible on the bluetooth because of the computing power it takes).

I would go for the bluetooth if I could get either a mini computer like the old Jordana's or a PDA to handle it, but I believe that'd be some work and otherwise it's bulky.

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LAN-ED-TUL
06-04-2006, 09:19 PM
thanx for the clarification x-wing. i didnt know how much erv's cost. and i didnt know for sure how much hypers was either. all i knew was what i paid for the voice system.



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Melek Taus
06-05-2006, 09:53 PM
Who here reads French? I can't read most of what's on erv's website.

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luis rojas
06-06-2006, 12:50 PM
Hi Melek Taus, I know french, as a matter of fact the fist tutorial that i've read was the one that ERV wrote in french. I also send an e-mail to him asking a few questions about it. ERV is the guy who told me about led sabers and help me building my first one. Hes a great guy.What do you want to know? maybe I can help you.



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xwingband
06-06-2006, 12:51 PM
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Melek Taus

Who here reads French? I can't read most of what's on erv's website.

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Erv...[?] lol, I guess at a lot of it. His LED driver pretty much does what corbin's does and the sound is pretty easy to figure what it is.

I believe erv is translating the site. I know his Luxeon Guide is in both french and english. It's a great pdf to read through.[:)]

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06-06-2006, 01:06 PM
Copy it to MS Word. There's a translation program on it.

I don't know if it will work well with large amounts of text though.


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06-06-2006, 03:23 PM
Ooo... memory jog. There are lots of sites that will do automatic translation if you give them the url too.

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Melek Taus
06-07-2006, 04:55 PM
Well....it's been awhile since I actually did any electronics for hobby and am a bit out of touch with the available technology. But I did some research and think that you can have an almost CD quality saber sound board using a PIC and a digital to analog encoder program. It would be real time sound. The PIC would take inputs from the clash sensor and motion sensor and would output the sound for the respective input.....wala. It would be cheap too.

I'm gonna give it a try and get back with you.

Just my .02
Melek

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LAN-ED-TUL
06-07-2006, 10:51 PM
from the sounds of it youd almost have a hyper system which meant you had to have a computer nearby to use it.

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Melek Taus
06-07-2006, 11:26 PM
Only initially to program the PIC...but once it was programmed...you're set. Unless you wanted to change the sounds of your saber down the road. It's not a wireless device like Hyper's to where it is getting the sounds from a PC. It's embedded sound fx's.

If you wanted great volume and theater sound quality...you would need to do up some sort of wireless transmitter that could transmit say a duel over FM stero. This isn't the Bluetooth setup of Hyper. Heck...this it not patended technology here. There are FM transmitter hobbyist kits that you could incorporate into your saber. But that's not what I was focusing on.

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element115
06-21-2006, 04:25 PM
what is the output of the hyper led driver?

Do-Clo
06-21-2006, 04:56 PM
You will have to contact hyperdyne for that information, he does not post here.

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LAN-ED-TUL
06-27-2006, 09:53 PM
but he does read all the forums.

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erv
06-30-2006, 01:06 AM
Hi guys,
Hi guess I missed this part of forum, I'm not spending enough time reading the post.... [:D]
I've posted several anwsers in the thread gallery => Erv'/ French connection in order not to bug this subject
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Igrus
07-22-2006, 07:17 AM
I have recently purchased a hyperdyne saber and i'm quite disapointed with the sound. I am now looking at grafting a MR sound board in to my hyper saber, go figure. Anyone got any advise on how to do this, or have a better suggestion.[|javascript:insertsmilie('[|)]')

james3
07-22-2006, 07:54 AM
Hi and welcome to the boards. I am not knowledgeable on any of the hyperdyne stuff so I don't know if it is just a matter of pulling out the old sound card and tying in the new one. Maybe if you could supply me with pics or a wiring diagram it could be figured out.

Hyperdyne stuff looks really neat but it unfortunatly is out of my price range.

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Do-Clo
07-22-2006, 09:12 AM
Sorry hyperdyne keeps all of his info classified and none of us can aford one to figure out how it is wired and where you could replace the sound and wire a new one in. I find that interesting that you don't like his sound module, I guess it just proves it is all hype on his stuff[xx(]

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xwingband
07-22-2006, 10:24 AM
I read RYan of Randomsaber's review on the in-the-hilt sound and he was disappointed too. He said MR sounds were better and that's coming from a guy who is not a fan of sound at all and thinks MR is even subpar.[:0]

I want to compare Erv's... I need to nudge Corbin on that as he never posted a review of his "dealer's sample".

EDIT: I forgot the answer...[|)]

Jim will have to tell if the MR sound could be used. I doubt it as his boards are Momentary and so tied into each other that it may not be feasible.

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Igrus
07-22-2006, 12:56 PM
I'm thinking of keeping the original board to control the vibrating motor and the flicker effects, and just use a replacment board for sound.
I will say this though, the thing is loud. And reasonably clear! I have been experimenting with rezonator tubes to help fill in the lower frequencies, and I've had some promising results. I like their little speaker and amp combo. But my opinion is that, my Hyperdyne in hilt sound board produces sound that does not realisticly portray the sound in the film. This may not be the case with the other types of boards they produce.[|)]

xwingband
07-22-2006, 01:09 PM
Oh yes, resonating tubes are something everyone should use. Like the MR Anakin... if that sucker had even an inch it'd be many times louder.[:)]

Not having one it may simply be that the sound is getting distorted. It is a 1" speaker after all. It's not going to produce dolby surround sound or even stereo quality sound alone so trying to push more out may be making the sound quality go down the toilet.

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LAN-ED-TUL
07-25-2006, 12:37 AM
i have always made around a 1 inch space between the speaker and the end of hilt with the holes drilled in it. i have used the hasbros as they were available before, and with a 1 inch spacing, these boards and speakers went from barely able to hear them in a toy hilt to very darn loud. all with the stock parts, just that airspace in there. of course i made a holder for the board to sit in, made from a old trophy column cut to length, and hollowed out just a bit more with some slots cut in it to slide the board right in there, then using the edge of the part, screwed down to its edge, the motion and clash sensors. makes for a complete little package.

i have mostly used these in the heilands and one graflex.

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